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We all learn much from Paul.
Unfortunately, there are many who ignore Jesus Christ's teachings because of misunderstanding Paul's writings.
Paul, himself, warns these people who "belong to Paul" that Paul did not die on the cross for our sins. We who are saved by the gospel of Jesus Christ are taught of God. Jesus Christ is God, and He invites all to learn of Him for His yoke is easy and His burden is light. People gloss over this in favor of misunderstanding something from Paul's writings.
I say misunderstanding because Paul agrees completely with Jesus Christ, therfore if Paul sounds to be teaching something new on a given subject which our Lord teaches, it is clearly misunderstood.
There are many reasons to always learn the gospel from the One Who was born, lived and died horribly in order to deliver it to all mankind. Paul's teachings are valid, but never when they have been misconstrued and defy the teachings of the Master, Jesus Christ, for He is our Teacher (Maset.)
Blessed be Jesus Christ always. Learn of God, for it is your privilege, amen.
Unfortunately, there are many who ignore Jesus Christ's teachings because of misunderstanding Paul's writings.
Paul, himself, warns these people who "belong to Paul" that Paul did not die on the cross for our sins. We who are saved by the gospel of Jesus Christ are taught of God. Jesus Christ is God, and He invites all to learn of Him for His yoke is easy and His burden is light. People gloss over this in favor of misunderstanding something from Paul's writings.
I say misunderstanding because Paul agrees completely with Jesus Christ, therfore if Paul sounds to be teaching something new on a given subject which our Lord teaches, it is clearly misunderstood.
There are many reasons to always learn the gospel from the One Who was born, lived and died horribly in order to deliver it to all mankind. Paul's teachings are valid, but never when they have been misconstrued and defy the teachings of the Master, Jesus Christ, for He is our Teacher (Maset.)
Blessed be Jesus Christ always. Learn of God, for it is your privilege, amen.
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First, dude, that's off-topic of Delivery's OP. But since you went here, I'll answer as briefly as possible.
Paul taught tongues would cease in his lifetime, and were already beginning to fade, as were gifts of healing -- those granted through men, not God's healing -- and signs and wonders, those no longer being necessary to confirm the words of the Gospel, which was the only reason they were given in the first place.
I happen to have two degrees in psychology and deny nothing of the Holy Spirit. God created the human psyche. He laid out the principles of how to counsel people in times of difficulty, trial, and personal crisis. Obviously most of my profession don't believe that. What they believe is worthless compared to the gift Christ has given me to assist people in their marriages, their families, and with addictions.
Yes, at times it resembles psychology. That isn't because I or others who use those methods known as cognitive behavioralism in the secular world have "adopted human psychology." On the contrary, it means the man who defined cognitive behavioral therapies -- Dr. Aaron Beck -- was a Christian who put one over on the secular world by outlining therapies that are biblically based.
Paul taught tongues would cease in his lifetime, and were already beginning to fade, as were gifts of healing -- those granted through men, not God's healing -- and signs and wonders, those no longer being necessary to confirm the words of the Gospel, which was the only reason they were given in the first place.
I happen to have two degrees in psychology and deny nothing of the Holy Spirit. God created the human psyche. He laid out the principles of how to counsel people in times of difficulty, trial, and personal crisis. Obviously most of my profession don't believe that. What they believe is worthless compared to the gift Christ has given me to assist people in their marriages, their families, and with addictions.
Yes, at times it resembles psychology. That isn't because I or others who use those methods known as cognitive behavioralism in the secular world have "adopted human psychology." On the contrary, it means the man who defined cognitive behavioral therapies -- Dr. Aaron Beck -- was a Christian who put one over on the secular world by outlining therapies that are biblically based.
I only got this far and happily, joyfully, surprised to see the truth posted, YES!
Read EPHESIANS, for examples, and see how far traditional 'anything' churches are from the body of christ in so many ways.
this doesn't mean a person in a protestant church is not saved, but that the 'church' , per se, is not what can save anyone --- only yahshua(JESUS). and of course the rcc catholic doctrines condemn souls instead of helping them.... so/and that's in the first thread by RoboOp in BibleStudy...
EPHESIANS, COLOSIANS, PHILIPPIANS, even CORINTHIANS and JAMES and REVELATION all concur.
of course, if anyone rejects paul, they also reject yahshua, and always within a year or less.
some churches, of course, have corrupted paul's teachings, and rejecting the false church teachings is a good thing, not a bad one, and is not at all rejecting paul.
just ask yahweh for the truth, and if yahweh's conditions are met, or if he just chooses to have mercy and soften the heart, it is done !
paul agrees with yahweh, completely.
Read EPHESIANS, for examples, and see how far traditional 'anything' churches are from the body of christ in so many ways.
this doesn't mean a person in a protestant church is not saved, but that the 'church' , per se, is not what can save anyone --- only yahshua(JESUS). and of course the rcc catholic doctrines condemn souls instead of helping them.... so/and that's in the first thread by RoboOp in BibleStudy...
EPHESIANS, COLOSIANS, PHILIPPIANS, even CORINTHIANS and JAMES and REVELATION all concur.
of course, if anyone rejects paul, they also reject yahshua, and always within a year or less.
some churches, of course, have corrupted paul's teachings, and rejecting the false church teachings is a good thing, not a bad one, and is not at all rejecting paul.
just ask yahweh for the truth, and if yahweh's conditions are met, or if he just chooses to have mercy and soften the heart, it is done !
paul agrees with yahweh, completely.
Paul teaches the only Gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In the teaching of His Gospel, reference is made to the faith of Abraham. Jesus, the Good Shepherd, also teaches that He is gathering "another" flock to His Original Flock. If we are gathered to His original Flock, we are gathered to the Children of Israel. We await the New Jerusalem to be brought down by God. Now if we await the new Jerusalem, it only makes sense we are citizens of the Israel of God, right?
Your post does make sense regarding the prophecies though, but not in the separation from the faith of Abraham. Being "in Christ" and being "in Messiah" are the same thing, unless one uses the first as reason to separate himself from the faith of Abraham and the Israel of God. God bless all in Jesus, amen.
Your post does make sense regarding the prophecies though, but not in the separation from the faith of Abraham. Being "in Christ" and being "in Messiah" are the same thing, unless one uses the first as reason to separate himself from the faith of Abraham and the Israel of God. God bless all in Jesus, amen.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Galatians 3:24-26
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Paul is describing what happens when a person does what the Lord says to do in Matthew 11:28. The Lord Jesus said it first, Paul is just expounding.
John 16:12-14
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Paul and the Lord Jesus Christ are in perfect agreement. To deny Pauls words are to deny the Power of Christ. To deny the Power of Christ is to deny Christ.
It would be better to say you don't understand Paul and that your mind is still blinded when Moses is read than attempt to teach that Paul is wrong because he somehow contradicts Christ.
The only ones who think there is some contradiction don't understand the very simple progression of coming to Christ. I suppose it is only simple to those who have actually come to Christ. I suppose that is why Grace is so awesome.
Galatians 3:24-26
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Paul is describing what happens when a person does what the Lord says to do in Matthew 11:28. The Lord Jesus said it first, Paul is just expounding.
John 16:12-14
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Paul and the Lord Jesus Christ are in perfect agreement. To deny Pauls words are to deny the Power of Christ. To deny the Power of Christ is to deny Christ.
It would be better to say you don't understand Paul and that your mind is still blinded when Moses is read than attempt to teach that Paul is wrong because he somehow contradicts Christ.
The only ones who think there is some contradiction don't understand the very simple progression of coming to Christ. I suppose it is only simple to those who have actually come to Christ. I suppose that is why Grace is so awesome.
You are correct and what He revealed because of the Indwelling of the Holy Ghost still go for today.. Paul was the minister to the Gentiles, bringing the Message of Christ Crucified to the heathen... can you imagine a Staunch Pharisee prior to the Conversion.. NOW Preaching Christ Crucified to the heathen? Only God could do that.. and that is why He Chose Paul before the Foundation of the World.. to bring His Message to the Gentiles.. Paul had so much revelation from God that a messenger of satan was sent to him most of the time to keep him humble.. a messenger of satan , God actually sent that to Paul.. so you see clear evidence that God is even Sovereign over the wicked principalities and powers... Paul was a clay vessel, filled with the Holy Ghost, they are not his teachings persay.. but WHAT GOD REVEALED THRU HIM.. those who want to throw them out.. disregard them.. add to them or take away.. will come under the Judgment of God. unless otherwise converted to the LORD.. indeed!
His teachings are right on target in my opinion. The problem that begins controversy is how Paul defined the appropriate mindset of how the law was to be observed. There are many misunderstandings. Paul was not anti law in its original form given to Moses. Paul was against distortion of the law (as Jesus Christ), and works of the law without faith. Paul was arrested for rightly defining the law in its rightful observance. He paid the way for 4 others who had made a vow according to the law and went with them so he would not be falsely accused. He was wrongfully accused anyway and then appealed to Caesar in a Roman court, eventually confessing the truth about the way he believed as follows.
"But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" Acts 24:14
"But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" Acts 24:14
agree.... Paul told believers the Law was still there.. but not for the Righteous.. the Righteous/Just shall live by Faith, and Imputed Righteousness comes from the Father upon belief in His Son's Work at the tree and that He Alone is ABLE.. He also warned and rebuked those 'christian's who had fallen back on the 'Law for Justification and Righteousness.. thats what the whole letters to Galatia are about... Paul said he established the LAW OF FAITH. thats a Spiritual Law between the convert, the Father, the Risen Redeemer, and revealed by the Paraclete... Christ is the End of the Law for those who are Genuinely Saved by Him... oh there will be modern day Pharisee's claiming to be christian but will come in subtly to try to move you away from Justification by Faith and Imputed Righteousness onto their swelling religious doctrines and rules and teachings.. those you give no time to. Paul said give no room to them... Warn them and avoid being trapped by the wrong teachings and their moves to 'spy' on the Liberty of those Truly Saved..
I understand what you are presenting, nevertheless if Paul worshiped according to the law and prophets (in reference to your first sentence) that would make Paul's righteousness as something that wasn't. 
To better explain myself I would say by your statement that Paul didn't need the law because he was righteous even though he worshiped believing all things according to the law and the prophets. I don't see how that is possible. (Acts 24:14) Paul never went back under the law, so what was he actually speaking against in his warning? Could it have been the explanation of how to understand the spiritual significance thereof and act according to the will of God from the heart by faith first?
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:31
Romans 8:6-7
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
The law is necessary for believers in Christ. Not by works alone, but establishing it through faith. If being a Child of God requires us to love God and our neighbor, for starters, please read Leviticus 19:11-18, and Deuteronomy 6:1-6 which are a substantial part of the law.
To better explain myself I would say by your statement that Paul didn't need the law because he was righteous even though he worshiped believing all things according to the law and the prophets. I don't see how that is possible. (Acts 24:14) Paul never went back under the law, so what was he actually speaking against in his warning? Could it have been the explanation of how to understand the spiritual significance thereof and act according to the will of God from the heart by faith first?Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 3:31
Romans 8:6-7
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
The law is necessary for believers in Christ. Not by works alone, but establishing it through faith. If being a Child of God requires us to love God and our neighbor, for starters, please read Leviticus 19:11-18, and Deuteronomy 6:1-6 which are a substantial part of the law.
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It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he (Paul) was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
After reading this can anyone say that we should not follow Paul's teachings, he was caught up to the third Heaven for goodness sake and heard words that is unlawful to speak of. In all of Christendom never was there such a man as Paul of Tarsus.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he (Paul) was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
2 Corinthians 12 1:7
After reading this can anyone say that we should not follow Paul's teachings, he was caught up to the third Heaven for goodness sake and heard words that is unlawful to speak of. In all of Christendom never was there such a man as Paul of Tarsus.
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It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he (Paul) was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
After reading this can anyone say that we should not follow Paul's teachings, he was caught up to the third Heaven for goodness sake and heard words that is unlawful to speak of. In all of Christendom never was there such a man as Paul of Tarsus.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he (Paul) was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
2 Corinthians 12 1:7
After reading this can anyone say that we should not follow Paul's teachings, he was caught up to the third Heaven for goodness sake and heard words that is unlawful to speak of. In all of Christendom never was there such a man as Paul of Tarsus.
That's what I thought when I read the previous post. My wife and I are currently talking about that. I never thought of it other than Paul talking of himself before, but now it makes much more sense that he was talking about another experience that he had about 7 to 10 years after his conversion. It is important to note that a messenger a Satan is mentioned, and we should consider that many times scripture tells a story and then summarizes what happened in almost a redundant way. We should also consider that words were heard that were not lawful to utter. Satan negotiated over Job's fate. (just sayin') ????? This is interesting to say the least Least. LOL
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He says he is leading his sheep out to follow him and feed them, and that he has other sheep not of this flock that he must also bring out with him to follow him and feed them.
He doesn't say anything about gathering anyone into a flock, but only about leading all his sheep out to follow him and feed them.
Leading them out of Satan's kingdom and bringing them into the Kingdom of God (Col 1:13).
He doesn't say anything about gathering anyone into a flock, but only about leading all his sheep out to follow him and feed them.
Leading them out of Satan's kingdom and bringing them into the Kingdom of God (Col 1:13).
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