Paul was not qualified to be an apostle

[Ariel82]

Lovely post. I understand this. But, Salvation and the forgiveness of sin/sins is not based on some idea as put forth by the the theology of men with the doctrine of contrition. When were all of your sins paid for? And, when were all of your sins forgiven?

you are moving the goal post, switching up what is being discussed and then claiming that no one answers you when you do not acknowledge the answers already presented to you.

the question "Show me in the bible where God requires one to be contrite to approach Him or receive the free gift from Him by hearing the Gospel of Grace."

one of the answers:

2 Cor. 7:8-11...
For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.

If those are not enough there are these:

Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Matthew 11:20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:

Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

• Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
  
• Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
  
  I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
  
  Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
  
  

 

[Elin]

Your previous post does not have Jesus calling him an apostle. You have overstepped what is written.

Jesus said Paul was his chosen instrument (Ac 9:15).

 

[Elin]

Maybe we should ask why you think it is important for Paul to be called apostle?

Because it is the NT word of God.

A believer would know that.

 

[Anonimous]

Hmmmm. If Paul was good enough for Jesus to send........this tells me he is worth listening to.

 

[svedbygrace]

love pink

This is a truth plainly set forth in Scripture by a few verses. What were the requirements for an apostle of Jesus' earthly ministry (Rm 15:8), according to Scripture, Christ and the Holy Spirit?

I believe you and God are at odds about Paul's Apostleship, but we will see on the day of Judgment !

 

[Elin]

I know.
You changed your avatar, had a hard getting back to this. I liked the blue eyes. Reminded me of the Dune trilogy.

Crude, rude and vulgar.

Your heart is not converted.

 

[Elin]

Where did God say that Paul was an apostle?

Jesus said Paul was his chosen instrument. (Ac 9:15)

You don't believe all Scripture is the word of God.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Paul wasn't qualified to be an apostle, huh? Hmmmmmmm.
Well, there are many who feel this way, but think about it. If Paul's words in the scripture are not valid/righteous then one can say his views on adultery, murder, fornication, homosexuality, ect is "ok".

Then again the "false apostle" view largely derives from the Hebrew Roots Movement which is a very dangerous beleif.

 

[majorjones]

LovePink...

Perhaps you don't "qualify" as a Christian...

 

[phil112]

[h=3]Galatians 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Paul, an apostle that God chose before he was born, a man that Christ taught for 3 years in arabia, after His resurrection, a man that had the honor of finishing Christ's ministry after Christ was cut off in the middle of it, not a man of God? "lovepink", you get off whatever it is you're on, and I'll try to help you.

 

[BradC]

arga warga.
LovePink, if you reject Paul, you're not a Christian, okay?

JaumeJ seems to reject Paul as an apostle. Do we also consider him to not be a Christian?

 

[atomiku]

Just remember until our road to damascus none of us are qualified for the christian life we possess after it

 

[LovePink]

love pink



I believe you and God are at odds about Paul's Apostleship, but we will see on the day of Judgment !

Please do me the courtesy of reading the body of the op at least... maybe even a few of my initial posts where I attempt to clarify the requirements of distinct ministries. Who is your apostle, btw? Also, I am a saved person, on the day of my judgment... I will be judged according to the things I submitted to for building & manifesting the eternal life in me.

 

[LovePink]

LovePink...

Perhaps you don't "qualify" as a Christian...

I cannot say I regret starting this thread, because I do not. What I regret is giving a platform to fleshly Christian behavior. Try approaching this thread with all fairness of heart. If you don't understand my position after reading a bit of the op or the various posts that follow, then just ask me... I don't mind repeating myself once or twice. When Paul says "my gospel" what do you gather that means?

Let me post a couple Scripture verses for reference;

25*Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began


16*In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.


I do enjoy discussing the bible, rightly divided.

 

[LovePink]

[Paul, an apostle that God chose before he was born, a man that Christ taught for 3 years in arabia, after His resurrection, a man that had the honor of finishing Christ's ministry after Christ was cut off in the middle of it, not a man of God? "lovepink", you get off whatever it is you're on, and I'll try to help you.

Smiling, I take it you have not read the op or checked out the thread posts. That seems to be the knee jerk norm. Prove, using Scripture Paul was in Arabia for three years.

 

[LovePink]

And another thing....

a man that had the honor of finishing Christ's ministry after Christ was cut off in the middle of it.

What ?!!


So, Christ did not accomplish that for which He was sent? Yes He did, " I have glorified Thee on earth: I have finished the work Thou gavest Me to do.", " It is finished", " The author and finisher of our faith".

Jesus was a minister to the circumcision.

Paul's ministry is "the ministry of reconciliation"- in a new dispensation, as a new apostle, "to fulfil the word of God." To complete the Scripture, not Christ's ministry.

25*Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints

 

[majorjones]

LovePink...

I think you are playing games with semantics. To what end? Be puffed up? Attempt to appear learned? Redefine "Apostle" to stir up trouble? All you have accomplished is bringing division to the body. Take a look at your handywork, but YOU don't regret it, right????

Good job....mission accomplished.

 

[LovePink]

LovePink...

I think you are playing games with semantics. To what end? Be puffed up? Attempt to appear learned? Redefine "Apostle" to stir up trouble? All you have accomplished is bringing division to the body. Take a look at your handywork, but YOU don't regret it, right????

Good job....mission accomplished.

Words are important. "stir up the gift of God"

If anyone is dishonest with words it would be religion & flesh nature and it is man's religious system and theology of men that divides. I am not trying to appear learned, just sharing something I came to see, that was helpful & needful. I like to study words & terms, there is a purpose for the twelve apostles and their ministry. As well as, the ministry of reconcilation in the dispensation of the grace of God, for which we look to a certain apostle for this doctrine and the "revelation of the mystery". If people don't want to see the differences that is their choice. I remember when I was asked if I saw a distinction, shortly after believing the gospel of grace... I said, "yeah, I see it, but I don't like it."


What do we do when confronted with truth, either we stand honest or we don't.


I love God. I know whom I have believed. It is a hard thing to have a change in belief and doctrine, to set it all down and rely on God, trust God... To remove all materials and things outside of the bible we give attention to for our learning/understanding, and look to God & His word alone. One thing I will share, that I appreciate about my growth in my capacity as a workman, is I find, I recongnize within my heart, I don't feel the urge to think or tell people they are not saved or they are not Christians. I think this stems from not only knowing the gospel for today, but also knowing the character of sin nature & understanding two natures. Two Scripture verses come to mind;

5*Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

16*Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

I want to walk honestly, I want to know & do the will of God. I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ or preaching it in accordance to the mystery revealed. If something is different, it is not the same. The one new man is not the bride of Christ, but they, the bride were in the body before us. The first shall be last and the last shall be first, at His appearing. So, we can agree to disagree Majorjones and admonish each other to study to shew ourselves approved. Take it easy.

 

[phil112]

And another thing....



What ?!!


So, Christ did not accomplish that for which He was sent?

Daniel prophesied that Christ ministry would last one week (7 years). He taught for 3.5 years before He was killed. Where did the other half of the week come in? Prophesy is never wrong, so how did Christ finish His ministry? He preached almost exclusively to the jews, yet we are told that the new covenant includes everyone.



Daniel 9:26-27
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[SUP] [/SUP]And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease



Galatians 1
[SUP] [/SUP]But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
[SUP] [/SUP]Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
[SUP] [/SUP]Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Romans 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

 

[LT]

Daniel prophesied that Christ ministry would last one week (7 years). He taught for 3.5 years before He was killed. Where did the other half of the week come in? Prophesy is never wrong, so how did Christ finish His ministry? He preached almost exclusively to the jews, yet we are told that the new covenant includes everyone.



Daniel 9:26-27
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease



Galatians 1
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

Romans 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

the last week in the 70 weeks is speaking about the Antichrist.... not Jesus.

It is clear that the Messiah (Jesus) was 'cut off' (killed) in the 69th week.

The 70th week is separated from the rest of the weeks, either by 40 years (70Ad) 400yrs (the fall of Rome) or by an unknown amount of years over 2000 (if it has not happened yet)

The 70th week deals with the Tribulation Period (the Great Tribulation, Jacob's Trouble, The Last Day)