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I'm doubtful. Many people who claim to have personally spoken to God have different interpretations of scripture, and I'm unaware of a single example of someone who was acquainted with the contents of the bible just by "knowing Jesus".
Of course, you could be talking about "His Word" in the context that it is spoken of at the beginning of John, but that's equivocation -- the original poster of this thread was not discussing "His Word" in that context, but rather common knowledge of the bible.
Of course, you could be talking about "His Word" in the context that it is spoken of at the beginning of John, but that's equivocation -- the original poster of this thread was not discussing "His Word" in that context, but rather common knowledge of the bible.
It's rather embarrassing to Christians that some atheists like myself know the bible better than they do, but there are good logical reasons for this. In my own case, I was raised a Christian and read through the bible several times with my family. That is a rare experience (sadly, you might say) among Christians, but not so rare among former Christians (knowing the bible well is what led me to disbelieve it). Also, many atheists get to know the bible because they have to in order to answer arguments, and the atheists I know have more arguments than the average Christian -- because Christianity is so pervasive, we're more likely to run into different opinions or ideological opponents.
But cheer up! It would seem from history that God doesn't care very much about how well you know the bible. For hundreds of years it was only available in Latin, and the European public was not even educated enough to read their own languages, much less Latin. And of course the biblical books were unavailable to literally everyone before they were written, which sucked for people like Cain who were punished for murder long before being given a book that stated implicitly that murder was wrong. It's only now that the bible is easy to find and read for anyone who has an internet connection (everyone who is reading this post, for example) and so we think that God must have wanted us to be up to par on the bible, but historically it would seem to be a low priority to Him.
But cheer up! It would seem from history that God doesn't care very much about how well you know the bible. For hundreds of years it was only available in Latin, and the European public was not even educated enough to read their own languages, much less Latin. And of course the biblical books were unavailable to literally everyone before they were written, which sucked for people like Cain who were punished for murder long before being given a book that stated implicitly that murder was wrong. It's only now that the bible is easy to find and read for anyone who has an internet connection (everyone who is reading this post, for example) and so we think that God must have wanted us to be up to par on the bible, but historically it would seem to be a low priority to Him.
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r. Frank Logsdon, member of the translation committee for the New American Standard Version (NASB), has denounced his work on that Bible and urged all Christians to return to the Authorized Version, commonly known as the King James Bible.
Although the most popular translation at the present time is the New International Version, both of these modern Bibles are based upon the same Catholic text, and Logsdon's concerns apply to both.
Being involved with the project from the very beginning, Logsdon helped publisher F. Dewey Lockman with the feasibility study that led to the translation. He interviewed some of the translators, sat with them, and even wrote the preface. But soon the questions began coming in.
His old friend, Dr. David Otis Fuller, began to put his finger on the many shortcomings of the Catholic text used in all modern Bibles, which include the NASB and today's NIV.
Logsdon finally said, "I'm in trouble; I can't refute these arguments; it's wrong; it's terribly wrong; it's frightfully wrong; and what am I going to do about it?"
Logsdon shocked publisher Dewey Lockman by writing, "I must under God renounce every attachment to the New American Standard."
Logsdon then began to travel extensively, trying to make up for his error by explaining to people the very simple reasons why the Authorized Version is the one Bible which is absolutely 100% correct.
Along with many other scholars, Logsdon had blindly accepted the basic argument used today to support the use of the two Catholic manuscripts, the Vaticanus and the Sinaiticus, in all modern Bibles.
The "experts" claim that these are the oldest manuscripts in existence, so they must be the best!
In one of his many public speeches, Logsdon explained, "When there is an omission that might be observed, they put in the margin, ‘Not in the oldest manuscripts.' But they don't tell you what those oldest manuscripts are. What oldest manuscripts?
Or they say, ‘Not in the best manuscripts.' What are the best manuscripts? They don't tell you. You see how subtle that is?
The average man sees a little note in the margin which says ‘not in the better manuscripts' and he takes for granted they are scholars and they must know, and then he goes on. That's how easily one can be deceived."
It was only after Logsdon took the time to really look into this issue that he was horrified to see that he had played right into Satan's hands, and helped to take many verses out of the Scriptures. Logsdon admitted, "The deletions are absolutely frightening."
The huge number of English Bible translations currently available has produced untold millions of dollars in sales, but does anyone believe that they have produced a modern Church which is more knowledgeable about their Bible? No, it has produced the Siamese twins of confusion and falling away from truth.
All modern Bible translators today use, without question, the New Testament text produced by the famous scholars Hort and Westcott.
But in her book, New Age Bible Versions, author Gail Riplinger exposes the background and corrupt theology of these giants.
Many readers are surprised at the beliefs of these men, documented by their own writings. Yet modern scholars accept their work without question, just as many university professors today blindly accept evolutionary teaching, safely going along with the crowd to protect their reputations. If you hold in your hand the Authorized Version, you have God's Truth.
History supports it, the Holy Spirit has confirmed it, God's Church has prospered by it. You will find it is hated by all those who seek to make an elastic Bible that is all things to all people… which then becomes nothing to anyone.
Logsdon's advice? If you hold the Authorized Version, and someone tries to prod you to accept another, "You don't need to defend it; you don't need to apologize for it.
"Just say, ‘Well, did this new version or this translation come down through the Roman Catholic stream? If so, count me out.'"
Although the most popular translation at the present time is the New International Version, both of these modern Bibles are based upon the same Catholic text, and Logsdon's concerns apply to both.
Being involved with the project from the very beginning, Logsdon helped publisher F. Dewey Lockman with the feasibility study that led to the translation. He interviewed some of the translators, sat with them, and even wrote the preface. But soon the questions began coming in.
His old friend, Dr. David Otis Fuller, began to put his finger on the many shortcomings of the Catholic text used in all modern Bibles, which include the NASB and today's NIV.
Logsdon finally said, "I'm in trouble; I can't refute these arguments; it's wrong; it's terribly wrong; it's frightfully wrong; and what am I going to do about it?"
Logsdon shocked publisher Dewey Lockman by writing, "I must under God renounce every attachment to the New American Standard."
Logsdon then began to travel extensively, trying to make up for his error by explaining to people the very simple reasons why the Authorized Version is the one Bible which is absolutely 100% correct.
Along with many other scholars, Logsdon had blindly accepted the basic argument used today to support the use of the two Catholic manuscripts, the Vaticanus and the Sinaiticus, in all modern Bibles.
The "experts" claim that these are the oldest manuscripts in existence, so they must be the best!
In one of his many public speeches, Logsdon explained, "When there is an omission that might be observed, they put in the margin, ‘Not in the oldest manuscripts.' But they don't tell you what those oldest manuscripts are. What oldest manuscripts?
Or they say, ‘Not in the best manuscripts.' What are the best manuscripts? They don't tell you. You see how subtle that is?
The average man sees a little note in the margin which says ‘not in the better manuscripts' and he takes for granted they are scholars and they must know, and then he goes on. That's how easily one can be deceived."
It was only after Logsdon took the time to really look into this issue that he was horrified to see that he had played right into Satan's hands, and helped to take many verses out of the Scriptures. Logsdon admitted, "The deletions are absolutely frightening."
The huge number of English Bible translations currently available has produced untold millions of dollars in sales, but does anyone believe that they have produced a modern Church which is more knowledgeable about their Bible? No, it has produced the Siamese twins of confusion and falling away from truth.
All modern Bible translators today use, without question, the New Testament text produced by the famous scholars Hort and Westcott.
But in her book, New Age Bible Versions, author Gail Riplinger exposes the background and corrupt theology of these giants.
Many readers are surprised at the beliefs of these men, documented by their own writings. Yet modern scholars accept their work without question, just as many university professors today blindly accept evolutionary teaching, safely going along with the crowd to protect their reputations. If you hold in your hand the Authorized Version, you have God's Truth.
History supports it, the Holy Spirit has confirmed it, God's Church has prospered by it. You will find it is hated by all those who seek to make an elastic Bible that is all things to all people… which then becomes nothing to anyone.
Logsdon's advice? If you hold the Authorized Version, and someone tries to prod you to accept another, "You don't need to defend it; you don't need to apologize for it.
"Just say, ‘Well, did this new version or this translation come down through the Roman Catholic stream? If so, count me out.'"
It's actually rather common for an atheist, as it declares that Christians ought to defend their faith (and even better, "with reason"). Any atheist that likes debate will usually know this verse and cite it if a Christian says that it isn't his or her place to be ready to defend his or her belief.
It's interesting that you believe that Lenin had a deathbed conversion. Do you have evidence of Lenin's eternal fate or do you simply believe this out of wishful thinking?
It's interesting that you believe that Lenin had a deathbed conversion. Do you have evidence of Lenin's eternal fate or do you simply believe this out of wishful thinking?
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You might enjoy a trip down Lenins history , it is quite enlightening and part of history. I knew a few "athiests that saw the error of their ways . Some in time others not. Its not a nice thing to see or hear I can asure you. God is just my friend, and for that reason He made you a free agent. All you have to do is accept Jesus Christ as your saviour . He already paid the full prise for you , and me and every other human being. Just believe Him.
"Just believe Him" is an assertion, not a "defense of your belief with reason". These same claims are made by many religions, citing exactly the same amount of evidence. Speaking of citations, "a trip down Lenin's history" would require one. I can't find an answer through a general search engine, so I'm asking what your source for that information is. But I'm skeptical that anyone has that information, because it would require being inside Lenin's head (unless his conversion was stated aloud to credible witnesses, which is unlikely).
Do you understand how these advances look from my point-of-view? It's like if I declared that "Allah is my friend, and He made you an infidel, but all you have to do to earn His friendship is accept him". Does that make you want to become a Muslim? Are you convinced that Allah is real and wants your friendship just because I said so? You'd want good evidence that Allah is, at the very least, real and that the claims I'm making about salvation through Him are true. That's what I want.
Do you understand how these advances look from my point-of-view? It's like if I declared that "Allah is my friend, and He made you an infidel, but all you have to do to earn His friendship is accept him". Does that make you want to become a Muslim? Are you convinced that Allah is real and wants your friendship just because I said so? You'd want good evidence that Allah is, at the very least, real and that the claims I'm making about salvation through Him are true. That's what I want.
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LoL , comparing allah to Christ starcrash? That makes your point of view totally absurd. You see my friend , believing in Jesus is not something I or anybody can teach you. We can put The Word in your ear and then we leave it for The Holy Spirit to grow it in your heart. Now make ready my friend , for Jesus promise me that His Words NEVER return empty . LoL.
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The Holy Spirit , Who is The Spirit of God will start working in your spirit from this moment onward . You will know it and will probably resist Him . You can if you want. He will never force you against you will. I hope and pray for your sake that you won't and that we will become brothers in Christ not many days from now. Jesus bless you my friend
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When Jesus was tempted how did He overcome?
Matthew 4:4 KJV
(4) But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:7 KJV
(7) Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Matthew 4:10 KJV
(10) Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
These verses should tell us a lot about the importance of Bible study.
Matthew 4:4 KJV
(4) But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:7 KJV
(7) Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Matthew 4:10 KJV
(10) Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
These verses should tell us a lot about the importance of Bible study.
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Peace be with you, dear JesusChica1991, are you posing for America's Next Top Model.
As it is written; "Do not be conformed to the pattern of this world but allow GOD to renew your mind."
May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST help you to come out of your own deception, the way you think.
As it is written and the LORD who loves you shares this with you in order to grow wise; "Trust the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. Acknowledge HIM in all your ways and HE shall direct your path."
i am merely an unworthy servant just doing my duty and offense taken is with the LORD and not me.
I do not know why you would say this. There is nothing wrong.
Laodicea,
Mark this down on your calendar. "8-18-13, Danschance agreed with me."
Fred James, I agree with Laodicea that your comments are uncalled for. I saw her profile picture and see absolutly nothing wrong with it. Don't be so judgemental of others whom you do not know. Your comments are offensive to more than just "Jesuschica".
This is copy/paste from Jack Chick's site at Bible translator says, 'I'm in trouble with the Lord.'
