People who argue against tongues,
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Not all born again believers are given the gift of speaking in tongues, and Apostle Paul even says that out of the gifts of the Holy Spirit he wishes we would be given the gift of prophecy more then tongues.
Apostle Paul also showed how this gift is to be done in front of others, and says if there is nobody to interpret then it is being done wrong and is not of the Spirit.
Tongues, prophecy, and the other gifts have not been done away with as some have been taught by misusing 1 Corinthians 13 where the context is about not doing those things without love. With the whole context of the chapter being about love then the only thing that fits that which is perfect comes can only refer to perfect love in the world which still does not exist.
Then you have the other scriptures in the bible that show prophecy and visions will still be done all the way through the last days and even in the tribulation as Revelation shows.......Scripture can not contradict scripture therefore Corinthians can not say prophecies or other gifts have been done away with !!!
Apostle Paul also showed how this gift is to be done in front of others, and says if there is nobody to interpret then it is being done wrong and is not of the Spirit.
Tongues, prophecy, and the other gifts have not been done away with as some have been taught by misusing 1 Corinthians 13 where the context is about not doing those things without love. With the whole context of the chapter being about love then the only thing that fits that which is perfect comes can only refer to perfect love in the world which still does not exist.
Then you have the other scriptures in the bible that show prophecy and visions will still be done all the way through the last days and even in the tribulation as Revelation shows.......Scripture can not contradict scripture therefore Corinthians can not say prophecies or other gifts have been done away with !!!
On the day of Pentecost the people outside heard the Apostles praising God in their own language and dialect. There was no Jibber jabbering! Everyone understood what the Apostles, especially Peter, were saying.
This jibber jabber that goes on today is mumbo jumbo. And the doctrine that says Tongues is the only proof of The Holy Spirit is just not sound.
This jibber jabber that goes on today is mumbo jumbo. And the doctrine that says Tongues is the only proof of The Holy Spirit is just not sound.
Interesting that the first appearance of tongues is at the tower of Babel. Forever an ensign of judgment upon mankind because of the evil in their hearts.
Interesting that when God speaks all men hear and understand regardless of their tongue. Acts 2 is clear evidence of the presence of God. There is no doubt that what goes on in todays churches is nothing like Acts 2.
Those who do not hear the truth have no heart for the truth. Nothing about me but all about Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Interesting that when God speaks all men hear and understand regardless of their tongue. Acts 2 is clear evidence of the presence of God. There is no doubt that what goes on in todays churches is nothing like Acts 2.
Those who do not hear the truth have no heart for the truth. Nothing about me but all about Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
K
The reason God split people into their different tongues at the tower of Babel was because everybody spoke with one accord then and that one way of thinking was evil, so God split people up into different languages so that could not happen again.
The tongues at Pentecost were to spread the gospel to the surrounding nations that spoke different languages, but that is not the only gift of tongues the bible speaks of. As Apostle Paul says there is a language of the angels as well, and Paul says we are to desire to seek out receiving those gifts from the Spirit.
People continue to use 1 Corinthians 13 to say they have been done away with, but Paul continued to preach on receiving those gifts in 14 and that they are for all believers to receive then and in the future as God permits. It nowhere hints in the bible they were done away with yet !!!
I've been filled with the Holy Spirit since I was saved. For the first 15 years of my Christian walk I spoke in unknown tongues.
I did not grow as a Christian, and in fact became very discouraged with the shallowness of a theology which emphasized something which accompanied the birth of the church, and disappeared because it was not needed anymore.
I have grown so much since I admitted that in my pride, I thought I was doing something special, when in fact it was a lie, that held me back. I praise God he opened my eyes to the truth, and has been leading me and guiding me in a whole new and marvelous way since I walked away from the pentecostal/charismatic movement.
I did not grow as a Christian, and in fact became very discouraged with the shallowness of a theology which emphasized something which accompanied the birth of the church, and disappeared because it was not needed anymore.
I have grown so much since I admitted that in my pride, I thought I was doing something special, when in fact it was a lie, that held me back. I praise God he opened my eyes to the truth, and has been leading me and guiding me in a whole new and marvelous way since I walked away from the pentecostal/charismatic movement.
K
If the way you used tongues or was taught to use them was obviously in the wrong manner if it discouraged you, because the bible clearly says and shows this gift will do nothing but edify such as the other gifts will unless they are done in a wrongful manner.
Properly used they edify and not discourage !!!
Fantastic word!
I had similar experience. I met Christ (spiritually) in my room when I prayed as a teenager and had a rush of revelation of things that nobody had ever taught me. Wonderful experience. And instinctively knew to begin reading the bible the next day (which I had never done before).
My girlfriend got saved a few days or weeks later, and I went off to college, having just graduated high school. She wrote me that she got the gift of tongues at a church and described it to me.
I told her that tongues was not true any more and stated all the types of things I see on here (and elsewhere) about how tongues is a past thing, etc. HOW WRONG I WAS!
6 months after having gotten born again, I got water baptized, and I had begun to hear more people speaking about gifts of the spirit. As I read 1 Corinthians 14:1, I saw it commanded to earnestly desire the spiritual gifts... So I began to seek God about these. Prayed all the time.
I had no idea how a person received these gifts, but all I knew was that if God they were of God, I wanted more of Him and anything to do with Him.
Another 3 months later, being frustrated that I had not received any gifts, and my girlfriend and some of her friends had also received tongues, and my awareness of "such a thing" had increased, but I still had no idea how to receive. So one night, I knelt at the side of my bed, and said to Jesus, "Lord, I don't know how this is supposed to happen, but I'm going to avail myself to you now and hopefully you will bless this."
I began to logically realize that God would not force it on me. I realized that it would probably require some type of cooperation from me. It made no sense to me that God would just take over my body and make my mouth open up, etc., so I took a step of faith and "did it" with my own tongues speaking "gibberish". I did this for like 3 minutes, and then began to wonder if I was making a mockery of the holy gift, and repented to God on what I had just done.
So another 3 months later I'm at a Denny's and met a bunch of Christian one night. They were all excited about the Lord, and I sat with them and this subject came up and I relayed to them what I just wrote in the paragraph above, about having repented of what I did. They exclaimed to me, "Oh no, you did in fact pray in tongues and the devil came at you to make you think you had not!" They began to go through the New Testament teachings with me, and gave me a very good bible study there in about 10 minutes, showing me all the great teaching, and they exhorted me to continue speaking in tongues. I was so glad to have met them, and did.
A year later (this story some other time), Christ did something amazing (supernatural) to convince me that the gift of tongues I had, was in fact of Him and the real thing.
There are other stories I could convey, too, about how God has used my private praying in tongues, and accomplished various things, which He told me was the case.
So in short, I thought having gotten born again was the greatest thing in the world, but when I got filled with the Spirit, almost a year later, it was like getting born again, AGAIN! The newer, filling, was similar to the original, but more.
I had similar experience. I met Christ (spiritually) in my room when I prayed as a teenager and had a rush of revelation of things that nobody had ever taught me. Wonderful experience. And instinctively knew to begin reading the bible the next day (which I had never done before).
My girlfriend got saved a few days or weeks later, and I went off to college, having just graduated high school. She wrote me that she got the gift of tongues at a church and described it to me.
I told her that tongues was not true any more and stated all the types of things I see on here (and elsewhere) about how tongues is a past thing, etc. HOW WRONG I WAS!
6 months after having gotten born again, I got water baptized, and I had begun to hear more people speaking about gifts of the spirit. As I read 1 Corinthians 14:1, I saw it commanded to earnestly desire the spiritual gifts... So I began to seek God about these. Prayed all the time.
I had no idea how a person received these gifts, but all I knew was that if God they were of God, I wanted more of Him and anything to do with Him.
Another 3 months later, being frustrated that I had not received any gifts, and my girlfriend and some of her friends had also received tongues, and my awareness of "such a thing" had increased, but I still had no idea how to receive. So one night, I knelt at the side of my bed, and said to Jesus, "Lord, I don't know how this is supposed to happen, but I'm going to avail myself to you now and hopefully you will bless this."
I began to logically realize that God would not force it on me. I realized that it would probably require some type of cooperation from me. It made no sense to me that God would just take over my body and make my mouth open up, etc., so I took a step of faith and "did it" with my own tongues speaking "gibberish". I did this for like 3 minutes, and then began to wonder if I was making a mockery of the holy gift, and repented to God on what I had just done.
So another 3 months later I'm at a Denny's and met a bunch of Christian one night. They were all excited about the Lord, and I sat with them and this subject came up and I relayed to them what I just wrote in the paragraph above, about having repented of what I did. They exclaimed to me, "Oh no, you did in fact pray in tongues and the devil came at you to make you think you had not!" They began to go through the New Testament teachings with me, and gave me a very good bible study there in about 10 minutes, showing me all the great teaching, and they exhorted me to continue speaking in tongues. I was so glad to have met them, and did.
A year later (this story some other time), Christ did something amazing (supernatural) to convince me that the gift of tongues I had, was in fact of Him and the real thing.
There are other stories I could convey, too, about how God has used my private praying in tongues, and accomplished various things, which He told me was the case.
So in short, I thought having gotten born again was the greatest thing in the world, but when I got filled with the Spirit, almost a year later, it was like getting born again, AGAIN! The newer, filling, was similar to the original, but more.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity(1 Corinthians 13:8-13).
To put it plainly Paul is saying that all these things will pass away when we get to heaven,but charity,which is love in action,shall go on forever.Paul is not saying that those things,like tongues,will pass away on earth,but he is saying that when we get to heaven we will have no need of those things,but the only thing that will not pass away is love,for that will be the only thing out of the things that we done on earth that will go on forever,while all the other things we did to help us in our walk with God will pass away.
That is why Paul said out of faith,hope,and charity,the greatest is charity,and that is because faith and hope are only needed on this earth.Faith and hope are not needed in heaven,for faith is the evidence of things not seen,but when you are in heaven you see it,you do not need faith,and hope is not needed in heaven,for if you are there you do not need to hope for it,but charity will go on forever,because God's kingdom is love,and will be the only quality of all the things we done on earth to help us to get to heaven,that will go on forever.
So Paul is saying that faith and hope,and all those other things,will not be needed in heaven,but love will be the only quality in heaven,that will go on forever.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity(1 Corinthians 13:8-13).
To put it plainly Paul is saying that all these things will pass away when we get to heaven,but charity,which is love in action,shall go on forever.Paul is not saying that those things,like tongues,will pass away on earth,but he is saying that when we get to heaven we will have no need of those things,but the only thing that will not pass away is love,for that will be the only thing out of the things that we done on earth that will go on forever,while all the other things we did to help us in our walk with God will pass away.
That is why Paul said out of faith,hope,and charity,the greatest is charity,and that is because faith and hope are only needed on this earth.Faith and hope are not needed in heaven,for faith is the evidence of things not seen,but when you are in heaven you see it,you do not need faith,and hope is not needed in heaven,for if you are there you do not need to hope for it,but charity will go on forever,because God's kingdom is love,and will be the only quality of all the things we done on earth to help us to get to heaven,that will go on forever.
So Paul is saying that faith and hope,and all those other things,will not be needed in heaven,but love will be the only quality in heaven,that will go on forever.
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Lynn,
Why the slander?
Jesus told the disciples to stay in the city, Jerusalem, until they were clothed with power from on high. And it was just a few days earlier that they were full of fear, scattered, and forsook Jesus.
When the Holy Spirit came upon them (Acts 2) Peter is no longer cowering and denying Christ, but is bold and speaks to everybody about Christ.
What is it about this verse that you find so difficult to reconcile with what I said about it?
Luke 24:49 "And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."
Why the slander?
Jesus told the disciples to stay in the city, Jerusalem, until they were clothed with power from on high. And it was just a few days earlier that they were full of fear, scattered, and forsook Jesus.
When the Holy Spirit came upon them (Acts 2) Peter is no longer cowering and denying Christ, but is bold and speaks to everybody about Christ.
What is it about this verse that you find so difficult to reconcile with what I said about it?
Luke 24:49 "And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."
A
Are you a babe in Christ? Most people actually know the gospels.
Luke 10
Mark 6:7-13
Matt. 28:18-20
If you're this new in Christ, it's simply not a good idea to teach. You can't teach what you don't know yet, and you obviously don't know enough to have started this little skip through a field.
Also, try not to use slander until you actually know what it means. Friendly advice.
Luke 10
Mark 6:7-13
Matt. 28:18-20
If you're this new in Christ, it's simply not a good idea to teach. You can't teach what you don't know yet, and you obviously don't know enough to have started this little skip through a field.
Also, try not to use slander until you actually know what it means. Friendly advice.
P
First, if you aren't the author of something you should always give the author credit when you do a copy and paste. IF you aren't the author.
Secondly, you very conveniently left off verse 11.
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
Tell me, did Paul reach adulthood before he wrote this? Of course. He absolutely was telling us that the time had come and gone for tongues, that when we become "perfect" (mature) spiritually we have no use, nor is there any need for tongues.
You, like the others that endorse it, simply want an excuse to babble uncontrollably and claim that you're special because you do.
As another noted, it is the least desirable gift, so why would you want it to start with?
If you get tongues by asking, why didn't you ask to heal people instead?
Secondly, you very conveniently left off verse 11.
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."
Tell me, did Paul reach adulthood before he wrote this? Of course. He absolutely was telling us that the time had come and gone for tongues, that when we become "perfect" (mature) spiritually we have no use, nor is there any need for tongues.
You, like the others that endorse it, simply want an excuse to babble uncontrollably and claim that you're special because you do.
As another noted, it is the least desirable gift, so why would you want it to start with?
If you get tongues by asking, why didn't you ask to heal people instead?
T
In Acts the Disciples spoke in tongues and those listening heard their own languages. Those who heard were not Christians but strangers who had come to Jerusalem to celebrate the festival of Pentecost. The point is they all understood what was being said. In churches I have been where tongues are spoken I have never witnessed a foreign person understanding someone talking in their language. If someone suddenly spoke in say Japanese who had never learnt it I would be impressed but in my experience this never happens.
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