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The Holy Ghost and the Spirit of Truth? 
Paul closes some of his letters with Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Paul opens all of his letters with God the Father and Jesus Christ the Lord.
Paul writes of the Spirit throughout his letters.
Paul doesn't call Jesus as God, the reason Paul follows the OT convention in Isaiah 7-10 and Jeremiah 50-51 of the highest person of the Godhead as the LORD God of hosts, the 2nd person as the LORD of hosts, the 3rd person as the Holy One of Israel.
It doesn't matter whether there are 2 or 3 to me.
For a believer in the Triune God, there has to be 3, for 3 are necessary to make the plural Elohim. 3 or more actually but if I don't believe in the 3 persons of the Godhead, how do I explain the Elohim?
The Elohim is God and the sons of God, called princes in Daniel 10. Companions of Jesus. He was anointed from them in Hebrews 1:8-9. Jude calls the sons of God archangels.
The Triune God believers aren't wrong but they aren't tolerant of my view of Jesus as firstborn son, chosen by the Father not created. This is the type shown in the Genesis patriarchs.
First John's critique of the gospel of John, the Father and Son are God, the begotten of God does not sin (John was criticized for not recording a temptation of Jesus in the gospel he wrote. John's logic was Jesus had the attributes of God including the inability to suffer temptation. (James 1:13). and Jesus had a human body, died and was resurrected or you are an antichrist.
When I was a young Christian, I had a teacher tell me that the Holy Spirit had to be called the Holy Ghost. I did not know why that had to be. The reason is the Holy Ghost reminds us of a ghost which is a person.
I think of the Holy Spirit as the mind of God.
This fits most scripture but not all such as the Triune God verses "Father, Son and Holy Spirit," one of which has been deleted (First John 5:7) which an overzealous Triune God believer (compare KJV to modern translations) because the following verse has "water, blood and Spirit." They didn't want Spirit to be an it like water or blood.
My argument against the Holy Spirit as a person is it makes 3 Gods. A singular in Hebrew can be 2 while 3 or more make the -im plural ending.
I can't resolve the F,S and HS verses, there is one at the end of 2 Corinthians and in Titus 3 along with Matthew 28 (the great Commission) so I leave it open that the Holy Spirit can be a person but the Triune God believer creates a hysteria against my belief because the Elohim requires 3 and they don't see Jesus chosen (Luke 9:35 in modern version, beloved in KJV) or anointed from his companions (Heb. 1:8-9). Since the Triune God believer only knows of God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and angels as supernatural beings, they think that I believe Jesus was an angel who was chosen.
I believe the Elohim are God, Jesus the chosen Son and the other sons who are called princes in Daniel 8 and 10 while Jude calls them archangels. When we read archangels, we generally think of created angels higher in rank that regular created angels so the word archangels is confusing. Princes are the sons of a King.
This makes sense of Hebrews comparing Abel to Jesus (Heb 12) that Cain should be compared to Satan even though Hebrews does not make the Cain/Satan parallel that I see.
I think of the Holy Spirit as the mind of God.
This fits most scripture but not all such as the Triune God verses "Father, Son and Holy Spirit," one of which has been deleted (First John 5:7) which an overzealous Triune God believer (compare KJV to modern translations) because the following verse has "water, blood and Spirit." They didn't want Spirit to be an it like water or blood.
My argument against the Holy Spirit as a person is it makes 3 Gods. A singular in Hebrew can be 2 while 3 or more make the -im plural ending.
I can't resolve the F,S and HS verses, there is one at the end of 2 Corinthians and in Titus 3 along with Matthew 28 (the great Commission) so I leave it open that the Holy Spirit can be a person but the Triune God believer creates a hysteria against my belief because the Elohim requires 3 and they don't see Jesus chosen (Luke 9:35 in modern version, beloved in KJV) or anointed from his companions (Heb. 1:8-9). Since the Triune God believer only knows of God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and angels as supernatural beings, they think that I believe Jesus was an angel who was chosen.
I believe the Elohim are God, Jesus the chosen Son and the other sons who are called princes in Daniel 8 and 10 while Jude calls them archangels. When we read archangels, we generally think of created angels higher in rank that regular created angels so the word archangels is confusing. Princes are the sons of a King.
This makes sense of Hebrews comparing Abel to Jesus (Heb 12) that Cain should be compared to Satan even though Hebrews does not make the Cain/Satan parallel that I see.
Explain. Jesus is the image of the eternal God. Possibly you see Jesus as Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace? The Counselor is Jesus in 1 John 2:1 as is the Holy Spirit in John. Chuck Missler says that the everlasting Father would be better translated as the Father in eternity. I think he said this so this phrase would fit the last chapters of Revelation. The Father and Son seem to morph into the same person in Revelation 21 or at least it is difficult to figure out which One. With the backstory of Jesus as the chosen Son (Luke 9:35) who the Father has given all things, this clears up misconceptions. Without the backstory, believers come up with various views of the Godhead.
The evidence for other sons of God who weren't chosen to be the Son but who are eternal and not created angels are Deut. 32:8-9 especially the Catholic Bible (New American Bible) which translates from the Septuagint. "The Most High divided the nations according to the sons of Adam. The nations are divided according to the sons of God but YHWH's (Jesus was given the title YHWY by the Father. everything the Father has is given to the Son)...YHWY's portion is Israel.
There are 63 sons' in Genesis 10 who had not yet begat (counting Asshur and Shinar as sons of Nimrod).
Paul's line of thinking is all over the map. We tend to read him linearly. But "many gods and lords" in 1 Corinthians 8. "For us One God the Father and One Lord Jesus."
If the 63 people groups each have a god and a lord there are 63 of each or 126 total.
At the end of Esther there are 126 provinces that the Persian empire is divided into plus a capital province Susa which is the 127th province.
However 1 Cor. 8 is about whether idols are gods or not and if it's ok to eat meat offered to idols so a believer who thinks only linearly will accuse me of reading into scripture.
The evidence for other sons of God who weren't chosen to be the Son but who are eternal and not created angels are Deut. 32:8-9 especially the Catholic Bible (New American Bible) which translates from the Septuagint. "The Most High divided the nations according to the sons of Adam. The nations are divided according to the sons of God but YHWH's (Jesus was given the title YHWY by the Father. everything the Father has is given to the Son)...YHWY's portion is Israel.
There are 63 sons' in Genesis 10 who had not yet begat (counting Asshur and Shinar as sons of Nimrod).
Paul's line of thinking is all over the map. We tend to read him linearly. But "many gods and lords" in 1 Corinthians 8. "For us One God the Father and One Lord Jesus."
If the 63 people groups each have a god and a lord there are 63 of each or 126 total.
At the end of Esther there are 126 provinces that the Persian empire is divided into plus a capital province Susa which is the 127th province.
However 1 Cor. 8 is about whether idols are gods or not and if it's ok to eat meat offered to idols so a believer who thinks only linearly will accuse me of reading into scripture.
Actually, the Holy Ghost is the Spirit of God, who is the image of the invisible Light.
However I take it that it is not you that speaks, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you? [See Matthew 10:20]
So if you received the good gift you asked for in Matthew 7:11, then can you tell us about that gift? [See Matthew 10:27]
However I take it that it is not you that speaks, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you? [See Matthew 10:20]
So if you received the good gift you asked for in Matthew 7:11, then can you tell us about that gift? [See Matthew 10:27]
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I doubt you will find many that agree with that interpretation.
If one agrees with the pope...then one disagrees with G-d...an untenable position...I conclude.
The Bible and Common sense tells us ...and knowing that........need we be concerned with the point the pope is wanting to address? I think not. Therefore one must conclude he is trying for legacy.
I doubt you will find many that agree with that interpretation.
If one agrees with the pope...then one disagrees with G-d...an untenable position...I conclude.
The Bible and Common sense tells us ...and knowing that........need we be concerned with the point the pope is wanting to address? I think not. Therefore one must conclude he is trying for legacy.