Pope Says Having A Personal Relationship With Jesus Is Dangerous And Harmful
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I have to disagree 100% with the pope. We have one direct relationship between us the believers and our Father.
Jesus preached once we are like him in relationship to the Father, we can ask what we desire and the Lord will provide.
We are brothers and sisters in the Lord because we all share the will of the Father, his heart and his desire for the nations and life. The church of the Living God is a reflection of this relationship.
A sacrementalist believes the church provides the ceremonies of life which cleanse and justify the believer in their walk. So you get roman catholics who go to church every day, say the rosary etc. because they feel justified by these ceremonies. It is all a lie, because underneath it lies the reality they do not believe the Lord really loves them, has forgiven them and they can walk in His grace.
Now I have no problem with ceremonies, symbols, pictures that help externalise spiritual realities but to often they become the idol rather than showing the reality within.
The deeper argument is without these symbols, churches, discipline, faith would die out. The problem is for many there is no faith just the symbols, so which would you rather have? I will choose reality, light and love and not the lies and deception, the wrong emphasis.
Jesus preached once we are like him in relationship to the Father, we can ask what we desire and the Lord will provide.
We are brothers and sisters in the Lord because we all share the will of the Father, his heart and his desire for the nations and life. The church of the Living God is a reflection of this relationship.
A sacrementalist believes the church provides the ceremonies of life which cleanse and justify the believer in their walk. So you get roman catholics who go to church every day, say the rosary etc. because they feel justified by these ceremonies. It is all a lie, because underneath it lies the reality they do not believe the Lord really loves them, has forgiven them and they can walk in His grace.
Now I have no problem with ceremonies, symbols, pictures that help externalise spiritual realities but to often they become the idol rather than showing the reality within.
The deeper argument is without these symbols, churches, discipline, faith would die out. The problem is for many there is no faith just the symbols, so which would you rather have? I will choose reality, light and love and not the lies and deception, the wrong emphasis.
You the reader have got to remember this Roman Church killed many of our believing brothers and sisters because they did not accept the churches doctrines or views. So pompous were they, to be excommunicated you were doomed to hell.
They still hold to the idea of purgatory and saying masses for the dead. To put it in its true context, this is crap.
I love those who I have known in the past and have died, but no ceremonies or trying to do the right thing will change their eternal destiny. If you accept eternity is about who you are and how you can light up in love to the Father, and not distrust or hatred, you will understand what heaven and hell really are. The lost are just that, and unfortunately seeing God will change nothing but confirm the lostness and confusion within, which means in eternity there is nothing but a split disfunctional soul.
They still hold to the idea of purgatory and saying masses for the dead. To put it in its true context, this is crap.
I love those who I have known in the past and have died, but no ceremonies or trying to do the right thing will change their eternal destiny. If you accept eternity is about who you are and how you can light up in love to the Father, and not distrust or hatred, you will understand what heaven and hell really are. The lost are just that, and unfortunately seeing God will change nothing but confirm the lostness and confusion within, which means in eternity there is nothing but a split disfunctional soul.
The Catholic Church is guilty of putting millions of people to death just for not accepting Catholicism and becoming a Catholic. Look at all the Jewish people put to death by the Catholic Church for refusing to become Catholic! And lets us not forget it was the Catholic Church that funded Hitler and the war machine that killed millions of people.
For more proof the Catholic Church today is a Corrupted Church, look at Pope John Paul II and how he actually bowed down and Worshiped statues of Mary. Read how he gave Mary all the credit for saving his life when he was shot. Not once did he ever thank God. Pope John Paul II Worshiped and served Mary as his God!
For more proof the Catholic Church today is a Corrupted Church, look at Pope John Paul II and how he actually bowed down and Worshiped statues of Mary. Read how he gave Mary all the credit for saving his life when he was shot. Not once did he ever thank God. Pope John Paul II Worshiped and served Mary as his God!
Matthew Chapter 23
1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3 therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they saythings and do not do them. 4 “They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. 5 “But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments.6 “They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi by men. 8 “But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers.9 “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 “Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. 11 “But the greatest among you shall be your servant.12 “Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14 [“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation.]
15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple,that is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple is obligated.’17 “You fools and blind men! Which is more important, the gold or the temple that sanctified the gold? 18 “And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, that is nothing, but whoever swears by the offering on it, he is obligated.’ 19 “You blind men, which is more important, the offering, or the altar that sanctifies the offering? 20 “Therefore, whoever swears by the altar, swears both by the altar and by everything on it.21 “And whoever swears by the temple, swears both by the temple and by Him who dwells within it.22 “And whoever swears by heaven, swears both by the throne of God and by Him who sits upon it.
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. 24 “You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence. 26 “You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also.
27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 “So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,30 and say, ‘If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them inshedding the blood of the prophets.’31 “So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 “Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers. 33 “You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?
34 “Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, 35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.36 “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3 therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they saythings and do not do them. 4 “They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. 5 “But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments.6 “They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi by men. 8 “But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers.9 “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 “Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. 11 “But the greatest among you shall be your servant.12 “Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14 [“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation.]
15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
16 “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple,that is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple is obligated.’17 “You fools and blind men! Which is more important, the gold or the temple that sanctified the gold? 18 “And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, that is nothing, but whoever swears by the offering on it, he is obligated.’ 19 “You blind men, which is more important, the offering, or the altar that sanctifies the offering? 20 “Therefore, whoever swears by the altar, swears both by the altar and by everything on it.21 “And whoever swears by the temple, swears both by the temple and by Him who dwells within it.22 “And whoever swears by heaven, swears both by the throne of God and by Him who sits upon it.
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. 24 “You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence. 26 “You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also.
27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28 “So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,30 and say, ‘If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them inshedding the blood of the prophets.’31 “So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 “Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers. 33 “You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?
34 “Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, 35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.36 “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Mark 12:38-40
38 In His teaching He was saying: “Beware of the scribes who like to walk around in long robes, and like respectful greetings in the market places, 39 and chief seats in the synagogues and places of honor at banquets, 40 who devour widows’ houses, and for appearance’s sake offer long prayers; these will receive greater condemnation.”
38 In His teaching He was saying: “Beware of the scribes who like to walk around in long robes, and like respectful greetings in the market places, 39 and chief seats in the synagogues and places of honor at banquets, 40 who devour widows’ houses, and for appearance’s sake offer long prayers; these will receive greater condemnation.”
Matthew 15
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’[c]”
Matthew 15
12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”
13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides.[d] If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
I do not see Jesus trying to achieve any harmony with the community of Pharisees. He bluntly rebuked them to the point that they were offended. He could clearly see that they were enemies of the Word of God, and did not see any point in making peace with them.
On the other hand, Jesus patiently spent time with a Pharisee called Nicodemus (John 3). He was gentle with Nicodemus and explained to him the things of the kingdom.
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’[c]”
Matthew 15
12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”
13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides.[d] If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
I do not see Jesus trying to achieve any harmony with the community of Pharisees. He bluntly rebuked them to the point that they were offended. He could clearly see that they were enemies of the Word of God, and did not see any point in making peace with them.
On the other hand, Jesus patiently spent time with a Pharisee called Nicodemus (John 3). He was gentle with Nicodemus and explained to him the things of the kingdom.
Again, let me post this verse....Matthew 23:9-12 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
I visited a Catholic lady, friend of my departed mother, in her nursing home room. Before I could leave her priest entered, a man I've known for a long time. I said "Good evening, brother Wallace." He replied "Father Wallace." I answered "As you know I am not Catholic, and not of that tradition. Good evening Mrs Kilby.", then left the room. When I returned a few days later the woman told me I had to leave, as she was not allowed to let unbelievers come confuse her. She died a few days later.
Even their titles are corrupt. Among real Christians many pastors have a "Rev." before their name, but that's for written correspondence. In person it's "Brother", not "Pastor", or any title that self-exalts.
There is right now a heavy pressure on former Catholics who left the RCC and many of the Protestant church "apostates", the RCC calls them, to stop attending our non-denominational community church. Some are very afraid, letters saying they will perish eternally if they remain separated from the church, to return immediately. Apparently the clergy is on a rampage to scare former members back into submission.
That alone makes it a dangerous cult.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
I visited a Catholic lady, friend of my departed mother, in her nursing home room. Before I could leave her priest entered, a man I've known for a long time. I said "Good evening, brother Wallace." He replied "Father Wallace." I answered "As you know I am not Catholic, and not of that tradition. Good evening Mrs Kilby.", then left the room. When I returned a few days later the woman told me I had to leave, as she was not allowed to let unbelievers come confuse her. She died a few days later.
Even their titles are corrupt. Among real Christians many pastors have a "Rev." before their name, but that's for written correspondence. In person it's "Brother", not "Pastor", or any title that self-exalts.
There is right now a heavy pressure on former Catholics who left the RCC and many of the Protestant church "apostates", the RCC calls them, to stop attending our non-denominational community church. Some are very afraid, letters saying they will perish eternally if they remain separated from the church, to return immediately. Apparently the clergy is on a rampage to scare former members back into submission.
That alone makes it a dangerous cult.
Sad! Very sad to see how the RCC is treating non-Catholics. And we have people on this thread who say that the RCC makes peace with everyone! They need to either do their homework or learn to speak the truth.
When the RCC cannot make peace with its fellow believers in Christ, what sense does it make to make peace with Muslims? Muslims deny the trinity, the crucifixion and the divinity of Jesus! They have reduced Jesus to a mere prophet. Their "scriptures" instruct to kill, and their purpose is world conquest. Many muslims are ignorant of this.
And yes, trying to control church members is indeed cultish behaviour. Jesus never controlled his disciples. In fact, he told them that they were free to leave if they did not believe in his words. [John 6:67]
When the RCC cannot make peace with its fellow believers in Christ, what sense does it make to make peace with Muslims? Muslims deny the trinity, the crucifixion and the divinity of Jesus! They have reduced Jesus to a mere prophet. Their "scriptures" instruct to kill, and their purpose is world conquest. Many muslims are ignorant of this.
And yes, trying to control church members is indeed cultish behaviour. Jesus never controlled his disciples. In fact, he told them that they were free to leave if they did not believe in his words. [John 6:67]
Thats a sad story. 
The spirit in him hated the spirit in you.
Thats usually the treatment we get from the adversary isnt it?
I actually think you extended charity towards the man by calling him brother.
If he is worshiping a christ he made up in his imagination he isnt your brother.
I may have been inclined to show him this:
Matthew 23:9
And don't address anyone here on earth as 'Father,' for only God in heaven is your spiritual Father.
The spirit in him hated the spirit in you.
Thats usually the treatment we get from the adversary isnt it?
I actually think you extended charity towards the man by calling him brother.
If he is worshiping a christ he made up in his imagination he isnt your brother.
I may have been inclined to show him this:
Matthew 23:9
And don't address anyone here on earth as 'Father,' for only God in heaven is your spiritual Father.
The blood of Christ, alone, creates ETERNAL UNITY between the Christian and the Father;
the blood of Christ, alone, creates ETERNAL UNITY between the Christian and other believers...
whether we all get along in "this" lifetime or not.
All ETERNAL UNITY is created, and paid for, in whole, by the blood of Christ, alone.
Do you believe you can get to heaven without the Roman Catholic Church?
I'm curious.
the blood of Christ, alone, creates ETERNAL UNITY between the Christian and other believers...
whether we all get along in "this" lifetime or not.
All ETERNAL UNITY is created, and paid for, in whole, by the blood of Christ, alone.
Do you believe you can get to heaven without the Roman Catholic Church?
I'm curious.