Pope Says Having A Personal Relationship With Jesus Is Dangerous And Harmful

[maxwel]

Jesus Christ commanded us to live in peace with everyone and to live holy lives. Without these two, no one will see God.

(Hebrews 12:14)

I don't believe his words were an attack to evangelicals and born-again christians. I don't believe it was an attack at all.

Maybe you read too much into it because all of these supposed meanings are just in your imagination.

There are parts on this world where christians are still being persecuted and killed for being christians. I don't understand why wouldn't someone want that there be peace between different religions?

Guesswho,

In the world of theology, words like "mediation" have very precise meanings. And the Pope is not just "some guy", he's a very scholarly and highly intelligent THEOLOGIAN. He knows exactly what he's saying, and he knows the exact impact his choice of words will have on different doctrinal communities, as well as on the worldwide ecumenical movement.

That being said, when Protestants pick apart bits of Roman Catholic doctrine or rhetoric, that doesn't mean we hate Catholic people. We disagree with many (not all) doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church... but we don't hate Catholics.

Well, I'm sure there are a few Protestants and Catholics that really do hate each other, but that isn't how most of us see things. So, please just remember that when we tear into doctrine or rhetoric, we aren't attacking you, or your family, or your friends, in any kind of personal way. We're just talking about doctrine.

 

[onlinebuddy]

Jesus Christ commanded us to live in peace with everyone and to live holy lives. Without these two, no one will see God.

(Hebrews 12:14)

I don't believe his words were an attack to evangelicals and born-again christians. I don't believe it was an attack at all.

Maybe you read too much into it because all of these supposed meanings are just in your imagination.

There are parts on this world where christians are still being persecuted and killed for being christians. I don't understand why wouldn't someone want that there be peace between different religions?

Jesus Christ commanded us to live in peace with everyone and to live holy lives. Without these two, no one will see God.

(Hebrews 12:14)

I couldn't agree with you more on this!

I don't believe his words were an attack to evangelicals and born-again christians. I don't believe it was an attack at all.

Maybe you read too much into it because all of these supposed meanings are just in your imagination.

OK...Fine, if that's what you believe!

There are parts on this world where christians are still being persecuted and killed for being christians. I don't understand why wouldn't someone want that there be peace between different religions?

Who does not want peace between different religions? I'm all for it! However, I'm afraid, bible prophecy indicates that world peace and communal harmony would never be possible as long as Satan is in charge of the earth. Islam does not understand peace! So, it's futile trying to persuade them to live in harmony with Christians. Wouldn't it be a better idea to focus on uniting the various denominations in Christianity? ...or at least to stop saying that one is better than the other?

 

[onlinebuddy]

The bible actually tells you that its the religious city in the desert by the red sea, and that when it is destroyed, the Arabs will no longer pitch a tent there, and that God will stretch His hand from Dedan to Tenam. Those are all references of Mecca yeah

Yeah...although this is besides the point of this discussion, I kind-off agree.
I guess we have been buying the western interpretation for too long. The location of the great Whore seems to be in the Middle East, and not Rome. Prophecy strongly indicates the same. I'm still looking into this.....

 

[Stephen63]

It is intentional obfuscation...
much like politicians do on a daily basis.

And to achieve the same things, yes? One to control the govts, & the other to control the religions..... all to serve the same Antichrist.

 

[Stephen63]

So..... the pope says no one can have a personal relationship with Christ..... except him. A true hypocrite, yes? And IMO, that's only one of his minor sins. Nothing has changed except the laws that keep the RCC from burning people at the stake. It wouldn't surprise me if they did again it during the tribulation.

 

[Jackson123]

Pope believe, it is possible to have god relationship with the church without direct relationship whit Jesus.

It is not in the bible.

If a man have direct relationship with Jesus than he longing to make fellowship with other believer.

Pope want people become part of catholic church, and prohibit to have direct relationship with Jesus.

It is not the will of God. God want us abide to Him like a branch abide to the tree.

for the shake of the catholic church, Pope ignore the scripture.

He think he above the scripture.

I think he know if a man have direct relationship with Jesus, he will leave catholic.

 

[GuessWho]

Who does not want peace between different religions? I'm all for it! However, I'm afraid, bible prophecy indicates that world peace and communal harmony would never be possible as long as Satan is in charge of the earth. Islam does not understand peace! So, it's futile trying to persuade them to live in harmony with Christians.

You do know that not all muslims are terrorist, do you? Actually, there are more muslims who want peace than those who don't want peace.
As for Satan being in charge of the earth, I don't agree with that. God is in charge of the earth. Satan has been bound by Jesus Christ, but the world still rejects freedom in Christ and submits to sin, death and Satan.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to focus on uniting the various denominations in Christianity? ...or at least to stop saying that one is better than the other?

Meet the World Council of Churches.

https://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches

 

[GuessWho]

I couldn't agree with you more on this!

Some posts above, you couldn't disagree more on that.

 

[Jackson123]

You do know that not all muslims are terrorist, do you? Actually, there are more muslims who want peace than those who don't want peace.
As for Satan being in charge of the earth, I don't agree with that. God is in charge of the earth. Satan has been bound by Jesus Christ, but the world still rejects freedom in Christ and submits to sin, death and Satan.



Meet the World Council of Churches.

https://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches

Yes some muslim do not like war and killing.

But to say Muslim share the same God with Abraham is lie.

If Muslim God is Abraham God than he will teach Mohammad that Jesus is God not only prophet.

 

[Jackson123]

So..... the pope says no one can have a personal relationship with Christ..... except him. A true hypocrite, yes? And IMO, that's only one of his minor sins. Nothing has changed except the laws that keep the RCC from burning people at the stake. It wouldn't surprise me if they did again it during the tribulation.

The fact that he said having personal relation with Jesus is danger, prove that He do not have personal relation with Jesus.

1. If it is danger than it is danger for him/pope too. Than he must not go to danger area.

2. If he have personal relation with Jesus than he know that relation with Jesus is the saves ever.

 

[onlinebuddy]

You do know that not all muslims are terrorist, do you? Actually, there are more muslims who want peace than those who don't want peace.
As for Satan being in charge of the earth, I don't agree with that. God is in charge of the earth. Satan has been bound by Jesus Christ, but the world still rejects freedom in Christ and submits to sin, death and Satan.



Meet the World Council of Churches.

https://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches

Who does not want peace between different religions? I'm all for it! However, I'm afraid, bible prophecy indicates that world peace and communal harmony would never be possible as long as Satan is in charge of the earth. Islam does not understand peace! So, it's futile trying to persuade them to live in harmony with Christians. Wouldn't it be a better idea to focus on uniting the various denominations in Christianity? ...or at least to stop saying that one is better than the other?

You do know that not all muslims are terrorist, do you?

Yes, I do know. I have not used the word "terrorist," but I understand what you are trying to say. Most muslims are not terrorists. I myself have some very close muslim friends. A secular environment such as that in the US, encourages educated muslims to live in peace with each other and with other religions. However, if you read about the life and message of Mohammed, it is far from peaceful, and Mohammed is violence personified!

As for Satan being in charge of the earth, I don't agree with that. God is in charge of the earth. .

Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. [2 Corinthians 4:4] Satan is the god of those who do not believe in Jesus (majority on the earth). Satan is also the god of those who believe that Jesus is just a prophet (and not the exact likeness of God), because they are blinded by him.

Satan has been bound by Jesus Christ, but the world still rejects freedom in Christ and submits to sin, death and Satan

In some sense, true. Looking at the big picture of God's plan of salvation, true: Satan is the defeated enemy! However, he is not completely bound in the present age. His power has been limited though, and he has no power over those who believe in Jesus, unless he is given access.
Then Peter said, “Ananias, why have you let Satan fill your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. [Acts 5:3]
But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.[2 Cor 11:14]
We wanted very much to come to you, and I, Paul, tried again and again, but Satan prevented us.[1 Thess 2:18]
Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour. [1 Pet 5:8]
The works of the devil on this earth are obvious. This no way means that God is not in charge. At the appointed time(that's a topic for another discussion), Christ will cast satan into the pit of fire and end his evil influence.

Meet the World Council of Churches.

https://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches

Nice to meet the WCC. However, I do not see the RCC in there. Please show me.

 

[GuessWho]

The RCC is not a member of the WCC. Representants of the RCC go to the meetings of WCC, but they are not member of it.

 

[passing_through]

The Pope is a far far cry from the Vigar of Christ on Earth, he is removed from that as the East is from the West. He certainly is fallible, there are some Baptist Preachers that could put on a better show than he.

 

[onlinebuddy]

Pope Francis To Followers: "Koran And Holy Bible Are The Same" | National Report

I am still wondering if the Pope's calling is to be an ambassador of peace. Jesus never was and ambassador of peace. (correct me if I'm wrong) Furthermore, being a prominent figure, the Pope should not leave any ambiguity in his speech. Saying that a "personal relationship" with Jesus is "dangerous"...., irrespective of the intended context or connotation, is not appropriate. It's a very negative way of putting one's message across. It can (and has) hurt the sentiments of millions of Christians/ believers whose only hope in this world is their personal relationship with Christ.

Jesus Christ commanded us to live in peace with everyone and to live holy lives. Without these two, no one will see God.

(Hebrews 12:14)

Some posts above, you couldn't disagree more on that.

I never disagreed with scripture!

I have said that it makes no sense when Pope acts as ambassador of peace (world peace or communal harmony), especially peace between Christians and Muslims, which prophecy indicates as impossible.

I also said that Jesus was never an ambassador of peace(meaning world peace or communal harmony...not to be confused with Jesus being the "Prince of Peace"). He never strived for harmony between his followers and the Pharisees (or between his followers and the pagan Romans). His focus was to spread the truth- the Word of God. Let me add that too many of our Popes have got involved in civilian affairs. This is not their calling, if at all.

And I also said that the Pope should never use words such as "personal relationship with Jesus is harmful and dangerous" in whatever context it may be. As maxwel has rightly pointed out somewhere in this thread:- the Pope knows exactly what he is implying!

 

[onlinebuddy]

Some posts above, you couldn't disagree more on that.

Whether we agree or disagree...cc members should never forget that there is more that binds us(Jesus) than that, that separates us. So let us speak the truth to one another in love!
Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. [Eph 4:15]

 

[GuessWho]

I never disagreed with scripture!

I have said that it makes no sense when Pope acts as ambassador of peace (world peace or communal harmony), especially peace between Christians and Muslims, which prophecy indicates as impossible.

Why? Why it makes no sense that someone wants peace instead of war???????

I appreciate the RCC for having asked for apology to all those that have been wronged and persecuted by the Church.

Why do we always have to suspect the Pope of hidden intentions or to criticize him and over-read through what he says.

Which prophesy indicates that peace between Muslims and Christians is impossible? And what does that have to do with the fact that we want peace?

I also said that Jesus was never an ambassador of peace(meaning world peace or communal harmony...not to be confused with Jesus being the "Prince of Peace"). He never strived for harmony between his followers and the Pharisees (or between his followers and the pagan Romans). His focus was to spread the truth- the Word of God. Let me add that too many of our Popes have got involved in civilian affairs. This is not their calling, if at all.

He always strived for harmony and love between his followers and the Pharisees, or pagan Romans or Samaritans or whatever.
He asked us to LOVE our enemies.

And I also said that the Pope should never use words such as "personal relationship with Jesus is harmful and dangerous" in whatever context it may be. As maxwel has rightly pointed out somewhere in this thread:- the Pope knows exactly what he is implying!

Everybody is free to say what he wants and what he believes. If he believes that it is important to have a relation with the community of the church, then let him believe that! What's your problem?

 

[passing_through]

The RCC is not a member of the WCC. Representants of the RCC go to the meetings of WCC, but they are not member of it.

Would you please define WCC, thank you kindly.

 

[zoii]

Would appreciate comments on how biblical or unbiblical this is....
Church is essential for faith; there are no 'free agents,' pope says | National Catholic Reporter

Ive often said to people how i dont like going to church when people r there n prefer the silence of being alone with my prayers in a church. Ive been told often in CC that i should overcome this n go to church n benefit from the community of church. So im puzzled why the criticism of the pope when im told the same thing in CC

 

[GuessWho]

In the world of theology, words like "mediation" have very precise meanings. And the Pope is not just "some guy", he's a very scholarly and highly intelligent THEOLOGIAN. He knows exactly what he's saying, and he knows the exact impact his choice of words will have on different doctrinal communities, as well as on the worldwide ecumenical movement.

Maxwel,

I agree with him that instead of making for ourselves personal Jesus(es), we should seek community and unity in the Church.

After all, that's the whole point of Christianity!
You go to your church, I go to my church, onlinebuddy goes to his church, but each one should seek that community instead of "living" his faith alone, in his home, separated from the others believers.

 

[GuessWho]

Ive often said to people how i dont like going to church when people r there n prefer the silence of being alone with my prayers in a church. Ive been told often in CC that i should overcome this n go to church n benefit from the community of church. So im puzzled why the criticism of the pope when im told the same thing in CC

I can assure you that if the same message would have been delivered by a protestant pastor, no one would have started a thread about this and be revolted about it.