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All of you who choose to make your excuses for eating what YAH declared not food or to be eaten for it is an abomination unto you. You go right ahead. I will just sit here laughing about the whole thing.
There is probably some piles of dog poop you can dress up for dessert, throw some whip cream on it. Pour a little caramel on it, sprinkle some nuts. LOL
bon appetite
There is probably some piles of dog poop you can dress up for dessert, throw some whip cream on it. Pour a little caramel on it, sprinkle some nuts. LOL
bon appetite
You haven't explained anything to me. I have stuck up for you, have spoken to you with nothing but respect. And you accuse me, with absolutely no basis. Now I know why others have spoken so negatively about you.
You stab them in the back with your ludicrous statements and accusations.
You have lost all respect from me. I will pray YAH straightens out your thinking.
Just for future reference, you might not want to spit on those who have shown you respect and stand up for you when others attack you.
moving on
We are told that after Noah, we are allowed red meat. And when God asked us not to eat meat from animals whose diet consisted of refuse, it wasn't done to maintain our body health only. That was a bi-product. It was to teach us the meaning of the words clean and unclean. The physical was often used to explain the spiritual.
If you want to go into health only, you will find that when the agriculture industry added different ways of taking care of and feeding animals, it changed the make up of the meat. Animals who are fed naturally without the modern improvements are not detrimental to our health. People pay a premium for meat produced like this, even though it is tougher than prime beef. I buy eggs that are fed vegetable diets, I can't afford the "free range" eggs. I live in cattle country, but the farmers who sell this natural beef ask so much for it I can't afford it. Poultry that is from regularly grown chickens is way over my budget.
If you want to go into health only, you will find that when the agriculture industry added different ways of taking care of and feeding animals, it changed the make up of the meat. Animals who are fed naturally without the modern improvements are not detrimental to our health. People pay a premium for meat produced like this, even though it is tougher than prime beef. I buy eggs that are fed vegetable diets, I can't afford the "free range" eggs. I live in cattle country, but the farmers who sell this natural beef ask so much for it I can't afford it. Poultry that is from regularly grown chickens is way over my budget.
L
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I respect you ANIOHEVTORAH and what you believe and always will. I would appreciate your response to these questions for my understanding and edification. If you do not want to answer, it will not diminish my Holy Spirit love for you in the least. So please do not take this as an attack. I respect you in YHWH, the source of all true brotherly love.
I believe that all the scriptures are the inspired Word in text. That includes the NT Revelations and the Epistles. When I consider the following text it raises question to your conclusion made in this thread:
Peter's Vision
Acts 10:9-16
9_On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:10_And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11_And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12_Wherein were all manner of four-footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13_And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14_But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15_And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16_This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
You raise a strong point when you state, "God created to be received" and is the section of this thread that caught my attention; hereby, my responses.
I do agree that Peter was experiencing a vision of from G-d but would G-d use such an illustration and it not transcend all levels of truth and apply to all attributes of G-d; especially, the law "G-d Cannot Lie"?
Then I consider this passage of scripture:
Romans 14:1-5
1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
I am not sitting in judgment but any words that are spoken has effect in an individuals way of life and an affect upon the mind and understanding of how one should act spiritually and naturally. To the point, Paul is speaking to an ethnically mixed group of Christian Gentiles and Jews at the Church in Rome.
The issues of foods arise again and the instance found in these texts: 1 Corinthians 8:1
Unless the vision that Peter had is strictly an allegory; all other scriptures are interpreted as “all creeping things”—cat, dog, and snails “escargot” are fit for consumption.
I am interested in your response.
God bless you richly beyond what He has already performed in your behalf.
I respect you ANIOHEVTORAH and what you believe and always will. I would appreciate your response to these questions for my understanding and edification. If you do not want to answer, it will not diminish my Holy Spirit love for you in the least. So please do not take this as an attack. I respect you in YHWH, the source of all true brotherly love.
I believe that all the scriptures are the inspired Word in text. That includes the NT Revelations and the Epistles. When I consider the following text it raises question to your conclusion made in this thread:
Peter's Vision
Acts 10:9-16
9_On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:10_And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11_And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12_Wherein were all manner of four-footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13_And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14_But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15_And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16_This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
You raise a strong point when you state, "God created to be received" and is the section of this thread that caught my attention; hereby, my responses.
I do agree that Peter was experiencing a vision of from G-d but would G-d use such an illustration and it not transcend all levels of truth and apply to all attributes of G-d; especially, the law "G-d Cannot Lie"?
Then I consider this passage of scripture:
Romans 14:1-5
1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
I am not sitting in judgment but any words that are spoken has effect in an individuals way of life and an affect upon the mind and understanding of how one should act spiritually and naturally. To the point, Paul is speaking to an ethnically mixed group of Christian Gentiles and Jews at the Church in Rome.
The issues of foods arise again and the instance found in these texts: 1 Corinthians 8:1
Unless the vision that Peter had is strictly an allegory; all other scriptures are interpreted as “all creeping things”—cat, dog, and snails “escargot” are fit for consumption.
I am interested in your response.
God bless you richly beyond what He has already performed in your behalf.
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I respect you ANIOHEVTORAH and what you believe and always will. I would appreciate your response to these questions for my understanding and edification. If you do not want to answer, it will not diminish my Holy Spirit love for you in the least. So please do not take this as an attack. I respect you in YHWH, the source of all true brotherly love.
I believe that all the scriptures are the inspired Word in text. That includes the NT Revelations and the Epistles. When I consider the following text it raises question to your conclusion made in this thread:
I appreciate the love. :
Peter's Vision
Acts 10:9-16
9_On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:10_And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11_And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12_Wherein were all manner of four-footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13_And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14_But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15_And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16_This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
You raise a strong point when you state, "God created to be received" and is the section of this thread that caught my attention; hereby, my responses.
I do agree that Peter was experiencing a vision of from G-d but would G-d use such an illustration and it not transcend all levels of truth and apply to all attributes of G-d; especially, the law "G-d Cannot Lie"?
I believe that YAH used the unclean animals because my people always look at gentiles this way. Sad to say many of the orthodox still do. So it was the perfect picture to represent YAH's point. You're right, He cannot lie. But we have to be able to set apart what He is doing. Since there are multiple scripture, Malachi 3:6 being a key one, YAH does not change, so we have to take this into consideration.
Then I consider this passage of scripture:
Romans 14:1-5
1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
I am not sitting in judgment but any words that are spoken has effect in an individuals way of life and an affect upon the mind and understanding of how one should act spiritually and naturally. To the point, Paul is speaking to an ethnically mixed group of Christian Gentiles and Jews at the Church in Rome.
The issues of foods arise again and the instance found in these texts: 1 Corinthians 8:1
Unless the vision that Peter had is strictly an allegory; all other scriptures are interpreted as “all creeping things”—cat, dog, and snails “escargot” are fit for consumption.
I am interested in your response.
God bless you richly beyond what He has already performed in your behalf.[/QUOT
Now, I would NEVER teach this as anything to pertaining to salvation. For scripture says to eat these things is an abomination unto us. It's for our own good and health. Because YAH knew that we would eat anything pretty much, as most humans do. The things that people are willing to eat are quite disgusting. Getting into discussions like this is for nothing more than understanding and learning for our health. If I eat bacon the rest of my life, will I go to hell? NO, I might get to heaven quicker though, lol
Hope I answered your questions, if not let me know what I missed. thank you and blessings
I respect you ANIOHEVTORAH and what you believe and always will. I would appreciate your response to these questions for my understanding and edification. If you do not want to answer, it will not diminish my Holy Spirit love for you in the least. So please do not take this as an attack. I respect you in YHWH, the source of all true brotherly love.
I believe that all the scriptures are the inspired Word in text. That includes the NT Revelations and the Epistles. When I consider the following text it raises question to your conclusion made in this thread:
I appreciate the love. :Peter's Vision
Acts 10:9-16
9_On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:10_And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11_And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12_Wherein were all manner of four-footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13_And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14_But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15_And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16_This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
You raise a strong point when you state, "God created to be received" and is the section of this thread that caught my attention; hereby, my responses.
I do agree that Peter was experiencing a vision of from G-d but would G-d use such an illustration and it not transcend all levels of truth and apply to all attributes of G-d; especially, the law "G-d Cannot Lie"?
I believe that YAH used the unclean animals because my people always look at gentiles this way. Sad to say many of the orthodox still do. So it was the perfect picture to represent YAH's point. You're right, He cannot lie. But we have to be able to set apart what He is doing. Since there are multiple scripture, Malachi 3:6 being a key one, YAH does not change, so we have to take this into consideration.
Then I consider this passage of scripture:
Romans 14:1-5
1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
I am not sitting in judgment but any words that are spoken has effect in an individuals way of life and an affect upon the mind and understanding of how one should act spiritually and naturally. To the point, Paul is speaking to an ethnically mixed group of Christian Gentiles and Jews at the Church in Rome.
The issues of foods arise again and the instance found in these texts: 1 Corinthians 8:1
Unless the vision that Peter had is strictly an allegory; all other scriptures are interpreted as “all creeping things”—cat, dog, and snails “escargot” are fit for consumption.
I am interested in your response.
God bless you richly beyond what He has already performed in your behalf.[/QUOT
Now, I would NEVER teach this as anything to pertaining to salvation. For scripture says to eat these things is an abomination unto us. It's for our own good and health. Because YAH knew that we would eat anything pretty much, as most humans do. The things that people are willing to eat are quite disgusting. Getting into discussions like this is for nothing more than understanding and learning for our health. If I eat bacon the rest of my life, will I go to hell? NO, I might get to heaven quicker though, lol
Hope I answered your questions, if not let me know what I missed. thank you and blessings
L
>end of partial quote<
I respect you ANIOHEVTORAH and what you believe and always will. I would appreciate your response to these questions for my understanding and edification. If you do not want to answer, it will not diminish my Holy Spirit love for you in the least. So please do not take this as an attack. I respect you in YHWH, the source of all true brotherly love.
I believe that all the scriptures are the inspired Word in text. That includes the NT Revelations and the Epistles. When I consider the following text it raises question to your conclusion made in this thread:
I appreciate the love. :
Peter's Vision
Acts 10:9-16
9_On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:10_And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11_And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12_Wherein were all manner of four-footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13_And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14_But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15_And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16_This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
You raise a strong point when you state, "God created to be received" and is the section of this thread that caught my attention; hereby, my responses.
I do agree that Peter was experiencing a vision of from G-d but would G-d use such an illustration and it not transcend all levels of truth and apply to all attributes of G-d; especially, the law "G-d Cannot Lie"?
I believe that YAH used the unclean animals because my people always look at gentiles this way. Sad to say many of the orthodox still do. So it was the perfect picture to represent YAH's point. You're right, He cannot lie. But we have to be able to set apart what He is doing. Since there are multiple scripture, Malachi 3:6 being a key one, YAH does not change, so we have to take this into consideration.
Then I consider this passage of scripture:
Romans 14:1-5
1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
I am not sitting in judgment but any words that are spoken has effect in an individuals way of life and an affect upon the mind and understanding of how one should act spiritually and naturally. To the point, Paul is speaking to an ethnically mixed group of Christian Gentiles and Jews at the Church in Rome.
The issues of foods arise again and the instance found in these texts: 1 Corinthians 8:1
Unless the vision that Peter had is strictly an allegory; all other scriptures are interpreted as “all creeping things”—cat, dog, and snails “escargot” are fit for consumption.
I am interested in your response.
God bless you richly beyond what He has already performed in your behalf.[/QUOT
Now, I would NEVER teach this as anything to pertaining to salvation. For scripture says to eat these things is an abomination unto us. It's for our own good and health. Because YAH knew that we would eat anything pretty much, as most humans do. The things that people are willing to eat are quite disgusting. Getting into discussions like this is for nothing more than understanding and learning for our health. If I eat bacon the rest of my life, will I go to hell? NO, I might get to heaven quicker though, lol
Hope I answered your questions, if not let me know what I missed. thank you and blessings
I respect you ANIOHEVTORAH and what you believe and always will. I would appreciate your response to these questions for my understanding and edification. If you do not want to answer, it will not diminish my Holy Spirit love for you in the least. So please do not take this as an attack. I respect you in YHWH, the source of all true brotherly love.
I believe that all the scriptures are the inspired Word in text. That includes the NT Revelations and the Epistles. When I consider the following text it raises question to your conclusion made in this thread:
I appreciate the love. :Peter's Vision
Acts 10:9-16
9_On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:10_And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11_And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12_Wherein were all manner of four-footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13_And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14_But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15_And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16_This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
You raise a strong point when you state, "God created to be received" and is the section of this thread that caught my attention; hereby, my responses.
I do agree that Peter was experiencing a vision of from G-d but would G-d use such an illustration and it not transcend all levels of truth and apply to all attributes of G-d; especially, the law "G-d Cannot Lie"?
I believe that YAH used the unclean animals because my people always look at gentiles this way. Sad to say many of the orthodox still do. So it was the perfect picture to represent YAH's point. You're right, He cannot lie. But we have to be able to set apart what He is doing. Since there are multiple scripture, Malachi 3:6 being a key one, YAH does not change, so we have to take this into consideration.
Then I consider this passage of scripture:
Romans 14:1-5
1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
I am not sitting in judgment but any words that are spoken has effect in an individuals way of life and an affect upon the mind and understanding of how one should act spiritually and naturally. To the point, Paul is speaking to an ethnically mixed group of Christian Gentiles and Jews at the Church in Rome.
The issues of foods arise again and the instance found in these texts: 1 Corinthians 8:1
Unless the vision that Peter had is strictly an allegory; all other scriptures are interpreted as “all creeping things”—cat, dog, and snails “escargot” are fit for consumption.
I am interested in your response.
God bless you richly beyond what He has already performed in your behalf.[/QUOT
Now, I would NEVER teach this as anything to pertaining to salvation. For scripture says to eat these things is an abomination unto us. It's for our own good and health. Because YAH knew that we would eat anything pretty much, as most humans do. The things that people are willing to eat are quite disgusting. Getting into discussions like this is for nothing more than understanding and learning for our health. If I eat bacon the rest of my life, will I go to hell? NO, I might get to heaven quicker though, lol
Hope I answered your questions, if not let me know what I missed. thank you and blessings
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I won't eat "mountain oysters" either but some country folks I know will ))LOL(( and they love "YHWH" with all their heart. So all you CC folk that love Mountain Oysters “have at it” and please, take my share. LOL
When considering Mountain Oysters; I am sticking with kosher delicacies.
When considering Mountain Oysters; I am sticking with kosher delicacies.
Given that choice, I might prefer the rocky mountain oysters.
Hmm!! I've been a vegetarian now for almost 40 years. It would have been more, but my husband made me eat meat when I became a Christian and married him. I got sick after a few years, and he "allowed" me to go back to being a vegetarian.
When he got diagnosed with pre-diabetes, we went to a provincial workshop on the best diet to eat. It is also the heart smart diet.
It consists of high fibers and grains that are unprocessed. No sugar and limit red meat to once a week or less.
My husband now regrets we did not follow my "hippie" diet which in fact, was eating foods in their most natural form as possible. The form that God created food! Not animals from feed lots, farm fed fish with viruses and parasites, etc. Vegetables, and fruits and combining vegetable proteins. And lots of interesting spices and things like that. I cannot digest red meat at all, so I stay away from it, and despite my health issues, I have a healthier heart than most people my age who are supposedly "healthy."
We won't even get into GMO's and poisons and Monsanto and how our food is shipped from places so far away it loses most of its nutrition.
Also, I am in NO WAY a SDA, but population studies show they are healthier than their counterparts that eat meat.
I do not condemn anyone that eats meat, but it is a waste to the planet, and an unhealthy way to eat.
No scriptures this time, just my personal experience. You really don't meat to be healthy, kosher or otherwise, and in fact, you may find yourself healthier than a person who eats meat if you don't eat meat.
As for poop, I put manure on my garden and my plants are healthy and happy. So I guess in the ecological scheme of the planet, what comes around goes around! LOL
When he got diagnosed with pre-diabetes, we went to a provincial workshop on the best diet to eat. It is also the heart smart diet.
It consists of high fibers and grains that are unprocessed. No sugar and limit red meat to once a week or less.
My husband now regrets we did not follow my "hippie" diet which in fact, was eating foods in their most natural form as possible. The form that God created food! Not animals from feed lots, farm fed fish with viruses and parasites, etc. Vegetables, and fruits and combining vegetable proteins. And lots of interesting spices and things like that. I cannot digest red meat at all, so I stay away from it, and despite my health issues, I have a healthier heart than most people my age who are supposedly "healthy."
We won't even get into GMO's and poisons and Monsanto and how our food is shipped from places so far away it loses most of its nutrition.
Also, I am in NO WAY a SDA, but population studies show they are healthier than their counterparts that eat meat.
I do not condemn anyone that eats meat, but it is a waste to the planet, and an unhealthy way to eat.
No scriptures this time, just my personal experience. You really don't meat to be healthy, kosher or otherwise, and in fact, you may find yourself healthier than a person who eats meat if you don't eat meat.
As for poop, I put manure on my garden and my plants are healthy and happy. So I guess in the ecological scheme of the planet, what comes around goes around! LOL
