Prayer language vs prophecy

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What throws me is your assertion in a previous post that Paul, under the Holy Spirit, lied as he wrote God's word.

Did I misunderstand that?[/QUOTE]

Yes, sorry you misunderstood your assertion is not what I meant to say.

This is what I said which is different then what you assumed ..”Yes Paul the liar wrote the word of God under the power of the Holy Spirit.”

Paul the liar which is saying the same as Paul sinner, wrote the word of God under the power of the Holy Spirit. God uses sinners and is no respecter of persons .

I offer, that liar equals sinners because of the verse that speaks, as soon as they are born they go forth telling lies. Since a baby cannot speak lies before hearing the truth .I think it must mean born a sinner, one who cannot keep the commandments of God , therefore must be born again of the Spirit of Christ.

It is why I believe the directive is as it reads.

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

I would offer. As we defend the faith of God it defends us to help us when we are judged.

Every man, I believe is Paul, the Pope or any man that has corrupted flesh . They would be called daysman. And as the Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit of God graciously informs us in chapter 9 of Job. God is not a man as us and neither is there a daysman as an infallible interpreter, an umpire between God and man to call the balls and strikes. God is no respecter of persons .It is like Paul mentioned, if we have freely received it from God why would we boast as if we did not receive it? The boating would be in vain.

The word apostle with no other meaning added mean sent one, s simply one sent from God to declare the word of God. In that sense anyone who obeys the commandment of God to go out into the would with the gospel is a apostle. It would seem to me the somewhere along the line a new meaning was added.

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both. Job 9:33

Eastons Bible dictionary ...... Daysman an umpire or arbiter or judge (Job 9:33). This word is formed from the Latin diem dicere, i.e., to fix a day for hearing a cause. Such an one is empowered by mutual consent to decide the cause, and to "lay his hand", i.e., to impose his authority, on both, and enforce his sentence.

Strongs lexicon... 03198 yakach {yaw-kahh'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 865; v
AV - reprove 23, rebuke 12, correct 3, plead 3, reason 2, chasten 2, reprover + 0376 2, appointed 1, arguing 1, misc 9; 59
1) to prove, decide, judge, rebuke, reprove, correct, be right 1a) (Hiphil) 1a1) to decide, judge 1a2) to adjudge, appoint 1a3) to show to be right, prove 1a4) to convince, convict 1a5) to reprove, chide 1a6) to correct, rebuke 1b) (Hophal) to be chastened 1c) (Niphal) to reason, reason together 1d) (Hithp) to argue
 
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garee,

if you are truly calling Paul a liar after his deliverance and conversion, then please tell us that we
are mis-understanding what you are saying and implying,...if you are truly saying such, then
you would be blaspheming Jesus Christ..???
 

presidente

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Have I enquired? No. You are simply not interested in what God has said.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Does God desire faith?
I am very much interested in what God has to say. But I am not in favor of the way you misunderstand scripture.

Let's imagine what went on within Paul when he saw a crippled man who had faith to be healed. No doubt, Paul also had faith that the man would be healed, otherwise, Paul would not have said, "Stand upright on thy feet." Paul hadn't ever seen the man walk. He had faith for it. Then he spoke, and the miracle happened.

If you aren't in favor of God working miracles through people today, how is that arguing that you are in favor of faith operating in the life of believers, and that those who believe as the believers did in the early church did about it somehow lack faith?

That makes no sense.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Paul says to earnestly desire spiritual gifts and even talks about praying to interpret. What do you say about those who diligently seek God to, for example, prophesy, heal, or interpret tongues. Do you believe that God will reward such people? Do you see how it makes no sense for you to be using these verses on your faith-inhibiting doctrine.

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
This illustrates one of the reasons why your tendency to misinterpret scripture and use it as an argument for disobeying other scripture is such a bad thing. You believe the way you believe, misinterpret a prooftext, and then argue against actually following various other scriptures.
 

presidente

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Balaam's ass spoke God's word, under the power of the Holy Spirit.
The Bible certainly does not say that. The LORD enabled the donkey to speak. The Bible does not say that what the donkey said was prophesying. You are able to speak and type, but that doesn't mean all the convoluted arguments you put on here (your interpretation of 'walk by faith and not by sight' in previous messages that doesn't line up with scripture, for example) are prophecies.

It is pretty clear to a lot of us that you do not have the understanding of the apostle Paul from having a copye of the Bible that Paul had. I've got a copy of the Bible (and read it, too.) If I've got a copy of the Bible, and the Bible is perfect, then by your interpretation, my understanding should be greater than Paul's in the first century, too. That presents a problem, since both of us fundamentally disagree on the interpretation of I Corinthians 14. So either one of us doesn't understand it as well as Paul or both of us don't. Either way, that's a pretty solid blow to your interpretation of the passage.
 
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presidente

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Correction:

I should have said, "It is pretty clear to a lot of us that you do not have the understanding that Paul had in the first century from having a copy of the Bible "