PRAYERS THAT PROCLAIM

[joaniemarie]

does anyone have a reference to God rebuking someone for asking for mercy? i've found dozens of people asking, even begging for mercy, but He seems to draw near to the humble.

thanks.

also, a prayer pleading for mercy implies that mercy is available - why would you pray for something you do not believe He is able or willing to give? desperation is proportional to need. need is not necessarily proportional to availability ((e.g. Proverbs 19:24)); what lacks depends on what is put to use, which is not the same measurement as what exists.

If you really want to know what this thread is about you can read it in context along with my comments... if you want to know what this thread is about. So can anyone else who wishes to know what this thread is about. But picking only parts of it and asking me to "explain" when you obviously have not read the posts in context is totally redundant for me to repeat over and over.

If you are like Stephen and truthhurts you are not interested in what this thread is about and want to imply your own false narratives here. I suggested to Stephen he should start his own thread but he has yet to do so. He prefers to find fault with mine instead. Something he never tires of doing. You can always find him on my threads. Always. It's uncanny!!!!

 

[Miri]

I haven't read all the posts, but replying to the OP, someone
once explained it to me this way.


A child may approach their dad and ask for some pocket money.
Ddaad, please can I have some money....
Dad might say yes or no, the chances are that as long as it won't hinder or
cause harm, then dad will give the child the pocket money out of love and
care and because he delights to give his child good things.

But what if the child approached dad begging and pleading tearfully saying -
Dad I don't know if you will listen, I don't know if you care about me but please
please give me some pocket money, and please just this once be nice to me, because
I know you aren't always nice to me, and you rarely listen to me. But dad I really need
some money this time and I'm throwing myself at your mercy. I promise I will
be good and wash the car every day. Cos dad I know you never give anything out
without getting something back in return etc etc.

Do you see the difference? We can approach the throne of grace boldly because
we love God and know God loves and cares for us.

Or we can be like homeless beggars, pleading and crying because we don't understand
the care and love of God.

Think how hurt you would feel if your own children felt that had to grovel, beg
and plead and approached you like some sort of tyrant.

I dont believe in the name it and claim it way of praying, but we should be bold and put
our requests to God, with a right heart, full of trust and confidence in the goodness of
God.

This doesn't mean we will get everything we ask for, or even get it when we want it.
A loving parent knows some things would be wrong to give to their children. Or maybe
they want to give a bigger surprise gift later!

I must admit im still trying to learn and keep in mind the above, I still resort to
pleading at times.

 

[joaniemarie]

I haven't read all the posts, but replying to the OP, someone
once explained it to me this way.


A child may approach their dad and ask for some pocket money.
Ddaad, please can I have some money....
Dad might say yes or no, the chances are that as long as it won't hinder or
cause harm, then dad will give the child the pocket money out of love and
care and because he delights to give his child good things.

But what if the child approached dad begging and pleading tearfully saying -
Dad I don't know if you will listen, I don't know if you care about me but please
please give me some pocket money, and please just this once be nice to me, because
I know you aren't always nice to me, and you rarely listen to me. But dad I really need
some money this time and I'm throwing myself at your mercy. I promise I will
be good and wash the car every day. Cos dad I know you never give anything out
without getting something back in return etc etc.

Do you see the difference? We can approach the throne of grace boldly because
we love God and know God loves and cares for us.

Or we can be like homeless beggars, pleading and crying because we don't understand
the care and love of God.

Think how hurt you would feel if your own children felt that had to grovel, beg
and plead and approached you like some sort of tyrant.

I dont believe in the name it and claim it way of praying, but we should be bold and put
our requests to God, with a right heart, full of trust and confidence in the goodness of
God.

This doesn't mean we will get everything we ask for, or even get it when we want it.
A loving parent knows some things would be wrong to give to their children. Or maybe
they want to give a bigger surprise gift later!

I must admit im still trying to learn and keep in mind the above, I still resort to
pleading at times.

Thank you Miri for taking the time and seeing the intent of this thread.

 

[truthhurts]

Its not name it and claim it...this is perverted truth. It's possible to take the scriptures and use them for personal gain. Like Dare to be great sales back in the '70s.

But, it's an intercessory act to declare the will of God in the earth. He is looking for us who will stand and declare His will.

His promises are yes, and amen. So ask with confidence and then declare, or speak to the mountains (problems) that loom up in life.

If this is true why cannot you or Joanie or any other WOF follower ever explain why there is still poverty and sickness in the church and you cannot tell us that it is because of the lack of faith, secret SIN, out from under the protection of the Blood and a hundred other super spiritual lies....

I have moved mountains with my faith for sure...but those mountains are not my personal needs, wants or desires or involve any benefits minded theology for myself and that is the core of this doctrine of devils...its all about ME and what I GET....God is my sugar daddy and daddy gives me what I want all the time...

I know a WOFer that believed God for $75,000 to start his ministry and confessed that daily and every time you saw him...you would ask him how he was...blessed and highly favored and $75,000 is mine this went on for about a 3 months....one day I saw him about a year later and asked did God give you the $75,000 he said yeah....I said why the glum face....he said his employer laid him off about 10 months ago and gave him a severance package...The total amount was $75,000 and given in a lump sum....with all taxes paid....but he still could not find a job and his wife did not work full time and his bills needed to get paid and his mortgage and 2 car loans had to be paid...and they are using the $75,000 to stay "afloat" while he finds work.....and to keep food on the table and keep the kids in clothes.....All his WOF buddies condemned him for having bills and no faith and that he somehow disappointed God or committed a sin and that is why he got it but with a burden....If you pay very close attention to this, there is a message in here....

God made a way for this guy , yet he missed it.....that was 8 years ago and he is still out there claiming now $150,000....double for his trouble cause Satan took his original $75K....

 

[posthuman]

I believe this comes from the principle of what the Lord said to Aaron to say when speaking to the people. It doesn't seem to be a prayer but a "declaration" to the people about the goodness of the Lord to them.

Numbers 6:22-27 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] "Speak to Aaron and to his sons, saying, 'Thus you shall bless the sons of Israel. You shall say to them:

[SUP]24 [/SUP] The LORD bless you, and keep you;

[SUP]25 [/SUP] The LORD make His face shine on you, And be gracious to you;

[SUP]26 [/SUP] The LORD lift up His countenance on you, And give you peace.'

[SUP]27 [/SUP] "So they shall invoke My name on the sons of Israel, and I then will bless them."

how to do this, knowing He opposes the proud and gives grace to the humble?

this isn't spoken in the same way that God spoke "let there be light" - it is not usurping authority or power from Him; it can't, because all authority on heaven and earth is given to Him. but it is spoken in the role of priest, even high priest, because this is told to Aaron and his sons to say. the audience is the people, and the one actually doing the blessing is the Lord - it expresses the desire and will of the speaker that the Lord should bless, and it is only declaration in the assurance of belief that the Lord is both willing and able: that it is His will, and that He will do all His will. as James puts it, "the prayer of faith"
but i think that such a prayer, having sure hope, moves naturally to thanksgiving, and from thanksgiving to praise, in assurance.

and it is so - the light of His face has shone in the darkness.
but it also is, that the darkness did not comprehend it.

if some were blessed by the priests, but remained in darkness, then what happened? is the declaration broken? i mean, you could station people at all the doors of any building, with instructions to make a declaration of blessing and salvation and peace to everyone - but does that guarantee these things for all who it is spoken over? why hasn't anyone thought of this strategy for universal salvation yet? even better than the firehose/sprinkler-system baptism approach, if you think H[SUB]2[/SUB]O immersion is what saves. more efficient; much lower water bill and no clamoring for towels.

i must remember, He will show mercy to whom He will show mercy, not to whom i declare Him to show mercy to.

but He did these things in order to show mercy to all: constrained all under sin, and gave His blood to cover us - time is mercy, His patience. if i can declare that He blesses, it is because He has revealed of His character that blessing is what He does - and this isn't "name-it-claim-it" it's praise, there being nothing to "claim" for ones self or another, but there being comprehension that even in suffering, He is good: to give thanks in all circumstances, though He slay me. He gives; He takes away; still i will praise Him - he blesses you, He has blessed you, He will bless you, He will have had blessed you. the "claim" is that God is good - even in judgement; justice is good, and mercy is good but partiality is not.

[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]
so picture this: the priests bless the people in His name, and some are wicked. suppose it is declaration. God judges the wicked. is His judgement blessing toward them? if it isn't, then the priests declaration is not trustworthy. is the priest's declaration trustworthy? then aren't the wicked blessed and still judged, without partiality?
when this is reconciled, is there still a "problem of evil" ?

 

[posthuman]

picking only parts of it and asking me to "explain"

they are general questions directed towards anyone who reads this public message board. my reactions to reading the text you shared. they may even be rhetorical. a lot of times my questions are. a lot more often than that, even, they're treated that way.

if i'm ever personally asking you a question, i'll type your name - or more likely, if i don't have a question open to anyone to answer, but specifically i want your answer, i'll PM

 

[truthhurts]

I haven't read all the posts, but replying to the OP, someone
once explained it to me this way.


A child may approach their dad and ask for some pocket money.
Ddaad, please can I have some money....
Dad might say yes or no, the chances are that as long as it won't hinder or
cause harm, then dad will give the child the pocket money out of love and
care and because he delights to give his child good things.

But what if the child approached dad begging and pleading tearfully saying -
Dad I don't know if you will listen, I don't know if you care about me but please
please give me some pocket money, and please just this once be nice to me, because
I know you aren't always nice to me, and you rarely listen to me. But dad I really need
some money this time and I'm throwing myself at your mercy. I promise I will
be good and wash the car every day. Cos dad I know you never give anything out
without getting something back in return etc etc.

Do you see the difference? We can approach the throne of grace boldly because
we love God and know God loves and cares for us.

Or we can be like homeless beggars, pleading and crying because we don't understand
the care and love of God.

Think how hurt you would feel if your own children felt that had to grovel, beg
and plead and approached you like some sort of tyrant.

I dont believe in the name it and claim it way of praying, but we should be bold and put
our requests to God, with a right heart, full of trust and confidence in the goodness of
God.

This doesn't mean we will get everything we ask for, or even get it when we want it.
A loving parent knows some things would be wrong to give to their children. Or maybe
they want to give a bigger surprise gift later!

I must admit im still trying to learn and keep in mind the above, I still resort to
pleading at times.

You sort of touched on it, but not all the way and left out something very important...


What happens when the Dad, in his own wisdom, Tell's the kid...NO, I am not going to give you money this time....because you do not understand the value of a dollar.....Let's work together on showing you the value of a dollar.....and how you can increase the money I give you through proper self control, discipline and good stewardship...

WHAT GOD works this way!?!?!?...say it ain't so.......lets pick up rocks and get rid of this religion.....cause our daddy is a good God and gives us what we want all the time...

See the difference?!?!?

 

[Grace777x70]

how to do this, knowing He opposes the proud and gives grace to the humble?

this isn't spoken in the same way that God spoke "let there be light" - it is not usurping authority or power from Him; it can't, because all authority on heaven and earth is given to Him. but it is spoken in the role of priest, even high priest, because this is told to Aaron and his sons to say. the audience is the people, and the one actually doing the blessing is the Lord - it expresses the desire and will of the speaker that the Lord should bless, and it is only declaration in the assurance of belief that the Lord is both willing and able: that it is His will, and that He will do all His will. as James puts it, "the prayer of faith"
but i think that such a prayer, having sure hope, moves naturally to thanksgiving, and from thanksgiving to praise, in assurance.

and it is so - the light of His face has shone in the darkness.
but it also is, that the darkness did not comprehend it.

if some were blessed by the priests, but remained in darkness, then what happened? is the declaration broken? i mean, you could station people at all the doors of any building, with instructions to make a declaration of blessing and salvation and peace to everyone - but does that guarantee these things for all who it is spoken over? why hasn't anyone thought of this strategy for universal salvation yet? even better than the firehose/sprinkler-system baptism approach, if you think H[SUB]2[/SUB]O immersion is what saves. more efficient; much lower water bill and no clamoring for towels.

i must remember, He will show mercy to whom He will show mercy, not to whom i declare Him to show mercy to.

but He did these things in order to show mercy to all: constrained all under sin, and gave His blood to cover us - time is mercy, His patience. if i can declare that He blesses, it is because He has revealed of His character that blessing is what He does - and this isn't "name-it-claim-it" it's praise, there being nothing to "claim" for ones self or another, but there being comprehension that even in suffering, He is good: to give thanks in all circumstances, though He slay me. He gives; He takes away; still i will praise Him - he blesses you, He has blessed you, He will bless you, He will have had blessed you. the "claim" is that God is good - even in judgement; justice is good, and mercy is good but partiality is not.

[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]
so picture this: the priests bless the people in His name, and some are wicked. suppose it is declaration. God judges the wicked. is His judgement blessing toward them? if it isn't, then the priests declaration is not trustworthy. is the priest's declaration trustworthy? then aren't the wicked blessed and still judged, without partiality?
when this is reconciled, is there still a "problem of evil" ?

I am of the belief that faith in what God has already said about a subject will have as it's fruit - a heart of thanksgiving.

Mercy in terms of the New Covenant seems to be along these lines.

Ephesians 2:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,

[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

1 Peter 1:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

I had a good laugh over your H2O water fire-house sprinkler system!

Anything that is given to us is from His character. Foe the Lord is good and His mercy endures forever! Personally I view the term "claiming" as simply declaring what God says is true about a subject. I personally don't use that term but that's how I see it.

Being humble to me means to be subject to God. What He says is true about Himself and others is true. If He says I am a new creation for example - then I humble myself to agree with His declaration of me or others.

I firmly believe in speaking over my life and others lives what He has said to be true under the New Covenant. I don't believe we have even scratched the surface of what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for us. It'll take an eternity to see it all in it's various forms.

 

[Miri]

You sort of touched on it, but not all the way and left out something very important...


What happens when the Dad, in his own wisdom, Tell's the kid...NO, I am not going to give you money this time....because you do not understand the value of a dollar.....Let's work together on showing you the value of a dollar.....and how you can increase the money I give you through proper self control, discipline and good stewardship...

WHAT GOD works this way!?!?!?...say it ain't so.......lets pick up rocks and get rid of this religion.....cause our daddy is a good God and gives us what we want all the time...

See the difference?!?!?

I think I sort of covered that in "we don't get what we always want"
I was going to add some more but thought I had gone on long enough. lol

But yeah, what father would give a young child matches to play with
because they asked. Or what Father would keep saying yes yes all the time
and watch the child grow into selfish spoilt brat.

My point though is that we often approach God in the wrong way because we
dont really understand his love and care for us. We can't fathom his unfathomable love.

 

[joaniemarie]

If this is true why cannot you or Joanie or any other WOF follower ever explain why there is still poverty and sickness in the church and you cannot tell us that it is because of the lack of faith, secret SIN, out from under the protection of the Blood and a hundred other super spiritual lies....

I have moved mountains with my faith for sure...but those mountains are not my personal needs, wants or desires or involve any benefits minded theology for myself and that is the core of this doctrine of devils...its all about ME and what I GET....God is my sugar daddy and daddy gives me what I want all the time...

I know a WOFer that believed God for $75,000 to start his ministry and confessed that daily and every time you saw him...you would ask him how he was...blessed and highly favored and $75,000 is mine this went on for about a 3 months....one day I saw him about a year later and asked did God give you the $75,000 he said yeah....I said why the glum face....he said his employer laid him off about 10 months ago and gave him a severance package...The total amount was $75,000 and given in a lump sum....with all taxes paid....but he still could not find a job and his wife did not work and his bills needed to get paid and his mortgage and 2 car loans had to be paid...and they are using the $75,000 to stay "afloat" while he finds work.....and to keep food on the table and keep the kids in clothes.....All his WOF buddies condemned him for having bills and no faith and that he somehow disappointed God or committed a sin and that is why he got it but with a burden....If you pay very close attention to this, there is a message in here....

This is very sad because you have been and are still being "compelled" to look to the right and to the left when it comes to what Jesus is doing in your life and other people's lives. And you are not alone because many of the brethren here are doing the very same thing. They, their friends their family their uncle Fred their Aunt Lois., the refuges and the people who die in war...... have had or are having a bad experience or set of bad experiences on this planet called earth.

We each are responsible for our own relationship with Christ and how we learn to walk with Him. It is uniquely an individual process. Your question has been answered in the beginning of this thread as to why some are and some are not dealing with issues that others are dealing with or not dealing with. I suggest you read the beginning of this thread before you decide to trash it. But I'll say it again because you are so angry. The answer is.... I don't know! God knows what He is doing and He has not seen fit to share with me His plans for the lives of my brethren.

The Bible clearly tells us not to see Jesus by how we compare ourselves with others OR with or by our selves. Our view is to be looking forward straight a head on to Jesus who is the Author and Finisher of our faith. If you are tempted to become sidetracked..... get back to centering your view on Christ alone. Don't look to the right or to the left. This is what I have to do! Why not you? Why not every other person who reads these words???

I'm very sorry you have been disappointed and obviously allowed other people who found fault with you to use such false human reasons against you. Things like secret sins, lack of faith, and being out from under the protection of the blood. I have not used these cruel reasons anywhere in my posts here on CC. Although that has not stopped people from accusing me of it.

Stephen for one, never tires of falsely accusing me of this cruel - very human and GRACELESS way of seeing Jesus. I want to be like Paul and talk about grace and truth. The gospel that Jesus brought. It is not like what Mosses brought when he brought the law. No nothing like that. It is a new and living way.

When I read Psalm 23 I don't see a "sugar daddy" at all. I see a Good Shepherd Who promises to lead me. To lead anyone who has Him. Let's look at that Psalm shall we?


[h=3]Psalm 23[/h][h=4]A Psalm of David.[/h][SUP]1 [/SUP]The Lord is my Shepherd [to feed, guide, and shield me], I shall not lack.
[SUP]
2 [/SUP]He makes me lie down in [fresh, tender] green pastures; He leads me beside the still and restful waters.
[SUP]
3 [/SUP]He refreshes and restores my life (my self); He leads me in the paths of righteousness [uprightness and right standing with Him—not for my earning it, but] for His name’s sake.
[SUP]
4 [/SUP]Yes, though I walk through the [deep, sunless] valley of the shadow of death, I will fear or dread no evil, for You are with me; Your rod [to protect] and Your staff [to guide], they comfort me.
[SUP]
5 [/SUP]You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with [SUP][a][/SUP]oil; my [brimming] cup runs over.
[SUP]
6 [/SUP]Surely or only goodness, mercy, and unfailing love shall follow me all the days of my life, and through the length of my days the house of the Lord [and His presence] shall be my dwelling place.


We each have a choice here to believe these promises. And we each take that step and move out feet on our own (by faith). God won't move my feet for me. My friends can't move my feet for me. He offers to be there when I step out. So I believed and take that step. And shocker!! Turns out ....The Lord IS my Shepherd !! Wow!! He did what He said!! I shall not want. Thank You Jesus my Good Shepherd.

More to say on this matter but I will tell you Mr. truthhurts, The Lord being our provider is not a doctrine of devils. The devils doctrine is one of not believing when the Lord Himself has bid you to come.

 

[joaniemarie]

If this is true why cannot you or Joanie or any other WOF follower ever explain why there is still poverty and sickness in the church and you cannot tell us that it is because of the lack of faith, secret SIN, out from under the protection of the Blood and a hundred other super spiritual lies....

I have moved mountains with my faith for sure...but those mountains are not my personal needs, wants or desires or involve any benefits minded theology for myself and that is the core of this doctrine of devils...its all about ME and what I GET....God is my sugar daddy and daddy gives me what I want all the time...

I know a WOFer that believed God for $75,000 to start his ministry and confessed that daily and every time you saw him...you would ask him how he was...blessed and highly favored and $75,000 is mine this went on for about a 3 months....one day I saw him about a year later and asked did God give you the $75,000 he said yeah....I said why the glum face....he said his employer laid him off about 10 months ago and gave him a severance package...The total amount was $75,000 and given in a lump sum....with all taxes paid....but he still could not find a job and his wife did not work and his bills needed to get paid and his mortgage and 2 car loans had to be paid...and they are using the $75,000 to stay "afloat" while he finds work.....and to keep food on the table and keep the kids in clothes.....All his WOF buddies condemned him for having bills and no faith and that he somehow disappointed God or committed a sin and that is why he got it but with a burden....If you pay very close attention to this, there is a message in here....

This is very sad because you have been and are still being "compelled" to look to the right and to the left when it comes to what Jesus is doing in your life and other people's lives. And you are not alone because many of the brethren here are doing the very same thing. They, their friends their family their uncle Fred their Aunt Lois., the refuges and the people who die in war...... have had or are having a bad experience or set of bad experiences on this sin filled planet called earth.

We each are responsible for our own relationship with Christ and how we learn to walk with Him. It is uniquely an individual process with the Holy Spirit Himself. Your question has been answered in the beginning of this thread as to why some are and some are not dealing with issues that others are dealing with or not dealing with. I suggest you read the beginning of this thread before you decide to trash it. But I'll say it again because you are so obviously angry and annoyed. The answer is.... I don't know! God knows what He is doing and He has not seen fit to share with me His plans for the lives of my brethren on a case by case situation.

The Bible clearly tells us not to see Jesus by how we compare ourselves with others OR with or by our selves. Our view is to be looking forward straight a head on to Jesus who is the Author and Finisher of our faith. If you are tempted to become sidetracked..... get back to centering your view on Christ alone. Don't look to the right or to the left. This is what I have to do! Why not you? Why not every other person who reads these words???

I'm very sorry you have been disappointed and obviously allowed other people who found fault with you to use such false human reasons against you. Things like secret sins, lack of faith, and being out from under the protection of the blood. I have not used these cruel reasons anywhere in my posts here on CC. Although that has not stopped people from accusing me of it.

Stephen for one, never tires of falsely accusing me of this cruel - very human and GRACELESS way of seeing Jesus. I want to be like Paul and talk about grace and truth. The gospel that Jesus brought. It is not like what Mosses brought when he brought the law. No nothing like that. It is a new and living way.

When I read Psalm 23 I don't see a "sugar daddy" at all. I see a Good Shepherd Who promises to lead me. To lead anyone who has Him. Let's look at that Psalm shall we?


Psalm 23

A Psalm of David.

[SUP]1 [/SUP]The Lord is my Shepherd [to feed, guide, and shield me], I shall not lack.
[SUP]
2 [/SUP]He makes me lie down in [fresh, tender] green pastures; He leads me beside the still and restful waters.
[SUP]
3 [/SUP]He refreshes and restores my life (my self); He leads me in the paths of righteousness [uprightness and right standing with Him—not for my earning it, but] for His name’s sake.
[SUP]
4 [/SUP]Yes, though I walk through the [deep, sunless] valley of the shadow of death, I will fear or dread no evil, for You are with me; Your rod [to protect] and Your staff [to guide], they comfort me.
[SUP]
5 [/SUP]You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with [SUP][a][/SUP]oil; my [brimming] cup runs over.
[SUP]
6 [/SUP]Surely or only goodness, mercy, and unfailing love shall follow me all the days of my life, and through the length of my days the house of the Lord [and His presence] shall be my dwelling place.


We each have a choice here to believe these promises. And we each take that step and move out feet on our own (by faith). God won't move my feet for me. My friends can't move my feet for me. He offers to be there when I step out. So I believed and take that step. And shocker!! Turns out ....The Lord IS my Shepherd !! Wow!! He did what He said!! I shall not want. Thank You Jesus my Good Shepherd.

More to say on this matter but I will tell you Mr. truthhurts, The Lord being our provider is not a doctrine of devils. The devils doctrine is one of not believing when the Lord Himself has bid you to come.

 

[joaniemarie]

they are general questions directed towards anyone who reads this public message board. my reactions to reading the text you shared. they may even be rhetorical. a lot of times my questions are. a lot more often than that, even, they're treated that way.

if i'm ever personally asking you a question, i'll type your name - or more likely, if i don't have a question open to anyone to answer, but specifically i want your answer, i'll PM

Good to know!

 

[truthhurts]

This is very sad because you have been and are still being "compelled" to look to the right and to the left when it comes to what Jesus is doing in your life and other people's lives. And you are not alone because many of the brethren here are doing the very same thing. They, their friends their family their uncle Fred their Aunt Lois., the refuges and the people who die in war...... have had or are having a bad experience or set of bad experiences on this sin filled planet called earth.

We each are responsible for our own relationship with Christ and how we learn to walk with Him. It is uniquely an individual process with the Holy Spirit Himself. Your question has been answered in the beginning of this thread as to why some are and some are not dealing with issues that others are dealing with or not dealing with. I suggest you read the beginning of this thread before you decide to trash it. But I'll say it again because you are so obviously angry and annoyed. The answer is.... I don't know! God knows what He is doing and He has not seen fit to share with me His plans for the lives of my brethren on a case by case situation.

The Bible clearly tells us not to see Jesus by how we compare ourselves with others OR with or by our selves. Our view is to be looking forward straight a head on to Jesus who is the Author and Finisher of our faith. If you are tempted to become sidetracked..... get back to centering your view on Christ alone. Don't look to the right or to the left. This is what I have to do! Why not you? Why not every other person who reads these words???

I'm very sorry you have been disappointed and obviously allowed other people who found fault with you to use such false human reasons against you. Things like secret sins, lack of faith, and being out from under the protection of the blood. I have not used these cruel reasons anywhere in my posts here on CC. Although that has not stopped people from accusing me of it.

Stephen for one, never tires of falsely accusing me of this cruel - very human and GRACELESS way of seeing Jesus. I want to be like Paul and talk about grace and truth. The gospel that Jesus brought. It is not like what Mosses brought when he brought the law. No nothing like that. It is a new and living way.

When I read Psalm 23 I don't see a "sugar daddy" at all. I see a Good Shepherd Who promises to lead me. To lead anyone who has Him. Let's look at that Psalm shall we?


Psalm 23

A Psalm of David.

[SUP]1 [/SUP]The Lord is my Shepherd [to feed, guide, and shield me], I shall not lack.
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2 [/SUP]He makes me lie down in [fresh, tender] green pastures; He leads me beside the still and restful waters.
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3 [/SUP]He refreshes and restores my life (my self); He leads me in the paths of righteousness [uprightness and right standing with Him—not for my earning it, but] for His name’s sake.
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4 [/SUP]Yes, though I walk through the [deep, sunless] valley of the shadow of death, I will fear or dread no evil, for You are with me; Your rod [to protect] and Your staff [to guide], they comfort me.
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5 [/SUP]You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with [SUP][a][/SUP]oil; my [brimming] cup runs over.
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6 [/SUP]Surely or only goodness, mercy, and unfailing love shall follow me all the days of my life, and through the length of my days the house of the Lord [and His presence] shall be my dwelling place.


We each have a choice here to believe these promises. And we each take that step and move out feet on our own (by faith). God won't move my feet for me. My friends can't move my feet for me. He offers to be there when I step out. So I believed and take that step. And shocker!! Turns out ....The Lord IS my Shepherd !! Wow!! He did what He said!! I shall not want. Thank You Jesus my Good Shepherd.

More to say on this matter but I will tell you Mr. truthhurts, The Lord being our provider is not a doctrine of devils. The devils doctrine is one of not believing when the Lord Himself has bid you to come.

Nice swerve.....

 

[joaniemarie]

Nice swerve.....

Not a "swerve" It's called my life of faith. Plain and simple. Jesus says it., we take it by faith and begin to walk it out. Is the answer given on the day it's asked? not always but it's on the way. I've been learning how to believe that and as always, He is faithful

to do what He promises. The devil is there to snatch the Word from us as soon as it's sown in our hearts..... and we must resist the devil and he will flee.

 

[Rockrz]

The modern day WOF movement...

Jesus, Paul, James, all taught we could have what we say IF we are being led by the Lord and are speaking His will (His Word)

Thru Paul the Lord coined the phrase "word of faith"... did you see that in Paul's writings?

Do we need to remove that from the Bible?

 

[joaniemarie]

Jesus, Paul, James, all taught we could have what we say IF we are being led by the Lord and are speaking His will (His Word)

Thru Paul the Lord coined the phrase "word of faith"... did you see that in Paul's writings?

Do we need to remove that from the Bible?

The way some throw those words around you would sure think so. Thankfully we know better!!!

 

[stonesoffire]

What exactly are you taking issue with about my post truthhurts?

If I believe what?

 

[Stephen63]

Stephen for one, never tires of falsely accusing me of this cruel - very human and GRACELESS way of seeing Jesus. I want to be like Paul and talk about grace and truth. The gospel that Jesus brought. It is not like what Mosses brought when he brought the law. No nothing like that. It is a new and living way.

I don't think I've challenged your posts in other threads in a very long time.

Everybody knows why I post in your devotion threads.

I could start posting that "this isn't against joaniemarie, I posting against the heretic who wrote this devotion".

I'll try to remember to do that from now on.

In the mean time, I can always quote joseph prince from his own teachings. There's plenty to search for.

 

[sevenseas]

Yep I stand corrected but she has never ,ever used as her own bully pulpit now has she

well I don't know

everyone has their own style

I find Joanie writes and contributes quite a bit to her own threads

it is not unusual for a thread to be started with a link to another site or whatever and this is done for discussion

I suspect some people just do not like WHAT she posts. not saying that is you at all, but there are several people seemingly making anything a cause celebre. they don't start their own threads, they just make a train wreck out of other people's threads

it must be difficult to be so bitter. again, not meaning you at all

 

[sevenseas]

It's amazing how the "seminary experts" that know all and that condemn others because they are not like them - don't understand what "plagiarism" is?

noun: plagiarism;

• the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.
  
  
  Unfortunately anyone can see what malice and slander looks like and the bitterness it brings with it. It's time to grow up from the baby stage.
  
  1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
  [SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,
  
  [SUP]2 [/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,
  
  Guard your hearts brethren because it is easy to escalate and end up in this condition.
  
  Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
  [SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

I think a few people in these forums, really probably only a handful, seem to have swallowed a big Bible sideways and it is stuck in their throats

they have not actually got the words into themselves, so they have not digested them

instead, they depend on what they think, without any Holy Spirit, and hurl words like arrows

just reading again that if you do not have love for the brethren, you can forget about it

the Bible never says if we all believe exactly the same, we are Christians.

the yardstick used by God is love apparently

love extends grace, forgiveness and other fruits of the Holy Spirit to others. it does not reach out with name calling and nastiness

but we all really know that, so no excuse. of course they will say that it is not loving to allow such terrible error (according to them) to go uncorrected

the louder people yell, the less I hear them. that may just be me. if you speak the truth, you don't have to yell