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sevenseas

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Jesus taught belief in him and enduring trial and tribulations....and that you should not worry about material things....that our faith in him should also come with the humility that he is in total control and not us....

Joanie and the Word Of faith cult teach condemnation and guilt for ANY anyone with unbelief that God has not made you well, super rich in money and material possessions and that you can shake him upside down and get money or resources any time you need it....WOF and Joanie really do not have the faith and trust they state, because it is all about ME and my needs...Not once when we were part of the WOF movement created by Hagin did we ever hear about expanding the kingdom and living for Jesus...we just heard faith and enlarging your own personal purse and wallet....oh an if you were not rich or sick, it was either the lack of your faith or God was punishing you for a hidden sin or something.....the level of guilt and condemnation this movement and Joanie is involved well defined in James 3....it is a form of witchcraft because it manipulates, controls and condemns....


very big difference between the 2 things.....

okay

I don't like getting inbetween, but this is not true truth. you will have to change your name if you keep posting like this

Joanie does not believe that if you say you are healed, you are healed

read her posts. she says to keep praying.

I am disgusted by this rhetoric and the very untruthful comments you and a few others are making here and your personal attacks against Joanie are a currency that a Christian should not trade in

it's disgraceful. I guess I take my words in the other post, that I have run out of time on to change, that I am not referring to you when I post about the ugliness towards others

you made a deliberate choice to join in the rock throwing

too bad. I thought better of you
 
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sevenseas

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If you really want to know what this thread is about you can read it in context along with my comments... if you want to know what this thread is about. So can anyone else who wishes to know what this thread is about. But picking only parts of it and asking me to "explain" when you obviously have not read the posts in context is totally redundant for me to repeat over and over.

If you are like Stephen and truthhurts you are not interested in what this thread is about and want to imply your own false narratives here. I suggested to Stephen he should start his own thread but he has yet to do so. He prefers to find fault with mine instead. Something he never tires of doing. You can always find him on my threads. Always. It's uncanny!!!!




my opinion on this type of thing, is that they read the Bible the same way, their judgement is cloudy and is self motivated

we can judge, but judge as does Jesus. righteous judgement

since we cannot judge hearts, the people judging your heart will become bitter and even more hard hearted

I've seen it happen and they are simply fulfilling laws God put in place a long time ago

far better to ask questions and pray.

we can be in error and it can be discussed and different thoughts, opinions and so on, are all there for discussion

but the personal attacks are something they judge themselves with. that, IS scriptural

I don't care what certain people say anymore. through alot of pain and CHRISTIANS lying about me, judging me and gossiping, I have come out on the other side

my conclusion is that Jesus words are true. if they slander Him, they will slander the one who follows Him

what is being done here, is NOT following Jesus. it is following the devil.

what I believe the Holy Spirit is putting in my heart, cause I really cannot understand the malice some Christians have and I don't mean just on this thread or this forum, is that stand and keep standing. if you allow the fiery arrows only pierce if you try to handle them in your own strength

Ephesians 6

Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

the devil still wants to kill Jesus and he can do a good job trying to kill what character of Christ we have in us

don't let him do it! Christians? yeah, not so much. some forget only the righteousness of Christ makes one righteous. what we see exhibted in these hateful and false posts, is SELF RIGHTEOUS

and I don't even watch Prince. this is not about Prince.
 
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posthuman

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it might be helpful for us to think about how this Venn diagram is filled out.
which sets are empty?
i.e. is some or all prayer declaration? or pleading?
is blessing prayer? can pleading with God be a pronouncement of blessing?
is pleading or asking of Him necessarily prayer, or does it stand apart?


ALl Prayer.jpg

((not because i'm arguing or disagreeing with anything. because it's a question that comes up in my mind thinking about the things in this thread))
 

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Very much agree with you sevenseas. Thankfully it's not always like this on the CC threads and posts. I've been learning a lot about Islam and Muslims and so thankful for people who post things I've never heard before.
We need to be exposed to the truth and certainly not attack the one who brings it.

Even if we disagree we can't personally attack the brother or sister. There comes a time every so often with me that I have my fill of being accused and I sort of clear the deck. And often no one really notices so it's for my own satisfaction to clear up the mis information about what I believe. So thanks for your additions here.
Even though we don't agree on healing in the atonement (the same way) you and I can still communicate without anger or feeling threatened by each others certain interpretations.

It's obvious that each one of us here on CC sees the Bible in different ways based on where we are in our lives. To be angry at someone who is not in the same place we are is just self defeating. It doesn't mean the one who sees things differently is outside the family of Christ.
To cry heretic or accuse people of being a cult when they have known these very same people and are familiar with regular posters here who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as personal Savior and believe we are saved by grace through faith and that salvation is found in no other just makes NO SENSE!!

So some speak in tongues and some don't. Some post about grace and grace and more grace and some don't. Some believe in healing and some don't in the same way., Some wear skirts and some wear pants., some like sparkly jewelry and some would not wear such things...., some live in a fancy house while others live in a log cabin. Some have money and some don't. Some believe in the pre-tribulation rapture of the church and some don't.... On I could go but it's obvious we are a bunch of different pictures and words on a Christian chat site. We can be known by our words but we can't be known by our hearts. Only God knows our hearts.

We CAN AND MUST agree to disagree on certain areas. Let God be the judge of the heart and let us be lovers of one another in the faith. Especially in these last days when evil is growing outside our Christian family. Real evil more obvious than our difference of doctrinal beliefs concerning the Bible.

I like a movie scene I saw on Robin Hood. "It's Nottingham, he's trying to divide us.. We must stop fighting amongst ourselves!! Or the price for it will be dear!" So instead we fight the real enemy who is against Jesus. Now that is awesome!!!
 
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Your diagram brought a memory back to me PH...long time ago before I understood what true faith is.

I was doing the plea type bargaining prayer with the Lord.. when I am interrupted by these words in my spirit.

"I have quieted myself as a weaned child".

I didn't have to study the greek to understand.
 

posthuman

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I like a movie scene I saw on Robin Hood. "It's Nottingham, he's trying to divide us.. We must stop fighting amongst ourselves!! Or the price for it will be dear!" So instead we fight the real enemy who is against Jesus. Now that is awesome!!!
this is like my perspective on Depleted's "Avenge Me! Avenge Me!" thread ((here: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/151086-avenge-me-avenge-me.html)) where she asks about Psalms in which for example the prayer is that the wicked should fall into their own pit.

our enemy is not each other, or any human - our struggle is against spiritual forces, not earthly ones, and in Christ when we are at odds with a person, it is not that person with whom we fight, but the thing within them that is antichrist. i do not believe such Psalms and prayers are "
no longer for today" - but that our comprehension of them should be enlightened, recognizing that it is the god of the world who is our enemy, not the people of it.
 
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Jesus, Paul, James, all taught we could have what we say IF we are being led by the Lord and are speaking His will (His Word)

Thru Paul the Lord coined the phrase "word of faith"... did you see that in Paul's writings?

Do we need to remove that from the Bible? :rolleyes:
Paul's Word of Faith truth is not found in any of the false teachings from the Hagins, Prince, Copelands, Savelle, Deplantis, Murdock, Cerullo, Dollar, Winston, Pars and a host of other "Faith" teachers.....

Why? Because Paul taught us to be content in any state....the ones above teach you to sow seed to get back personally and be rich....and you are really not walking with God unless you are continually flush with cash and material wealth and things....Paul's Word of Faith proclaimed that he found contentment in all states and when he was poor and had abundance...these clowns teach you that it is God's only desire you be "blessed" at all times....code word for "blessed" means rich and needing nothing....I have heard Copeland and his son in law and all of them say this exact statement....SO a seed and watch God make you rich and needing nothing....

Modern day church of laodicea that Jesus vomits out of his mouth...
 

joaniemarie

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Yeah we only throw around what the Words of the Bible really mean....

Each one of us believers have a responsibility to tell the truth as it has been revealed to us. And when we do it we do it in love. 1 Cor. 13 We are now under that law of love now. We have been being changed from the inside out. If we are not showing that love, our words and behavior are just sounding brass and tinkling cymbals. If we can't tell the truth without wishing we could punch someone., than something is wrong.
 

hornetguy

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I think a few people in these forums, really probably only a handful, seem to have swallowed a big Bible sideways and it is stuck in their throats

they have not actually got the words into themselves, so they have not digested them

instead, they depend on what they think, without any Holy Spirit, and hurl words like arrows

just reading again that if you do not have love for the brethren, you can forget about it

the Bible never says if we all believe exactly the same, we are Christians.

the yardstick used by God is love apparently

love extends grace, forgiveness and other fruits of the Holy Spirit to others. it does not reach out with name calling and nastiness

but we all really know that, so no excuse. of course they will say that it is not loving to allow such terrible error (according to them) to go uncorrected

the louder people yell, the less I hear them. that may just be me. if you speak the truth, you don't have to yell
That is correct....according to Jesus...

[SUP]34 [/SUP]A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. [SUP]35 [/SUP]By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
 
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Each one of us believers have a responsibility to tell the truth as it has been revealed to us. And when we do it we do it in love. 1 Cor. 13 We are now under that law of love now. We have been being changed from the inside out. If we are not showing that love, our words and behavior are just sounding brass and tinkling cymbals. If we can't tell the truth without wishing we could punch someone., than something is wrong.
still continuing with the personal assumptions, suppositions about me and getting personal, but could not even touch my post #87....

There is a difference between correcting a persons doctrine and attacking them personally...you see personal attack, because your version of the truth is a cotton candy and skim milk gospel, that leaves out trial, tribulations, sufferings, persecutions that Jesus said we would have and must endure to advance his kingdom for his glory....your version of the truth is getting people into thinking that the kingdom is for personal benefit and personal glory only...that we don't have to deposit anything, but only make withdraws...it is your benefit minded theology that forces you to personally attack and defend...anything deeper than a personal devo you get for sowing a seed....

The difference is not how we see God, because as you rightly claim he is a Good God and wants the best for his kiddos.....he blesses us with spiritual blessings in heavenly places with Christ Jesus...yet he is also pleased when go through the trials and rest in him to bring us through...

The difference is that you are benefits minded on the now and what you have received...which leaves you on the wrong side of the Jordan....I prefer to gain the full promise and go and take the land....which means you have to cross the river, walk with God in a few valleys, and then work with God take on a few giants, drop a few walls, step on a few necks and take a mountain or two .....

God does not mind that you don't want to cross the river and enter into the complete promise....as such though, he will never find faith in you to do anything but settle for the now....
 

joaniemarie

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Paul's Word of Faith truth is not found in any of the false teachings from the Hagins, Prince, Copelands, Savelle, Deplantis, Murdock, Cerullo, Dollar, Winston, Pars and a host of other "Faith" teachers.....

Why? Because Paul taught us to be content in any state....the ones above teach you to sow seed to get back personally and be rich....and you are really not walking with God unless you are continually flush with cash and material wealth and things....Paul's Word of Faith proclaimed that he found contentment in all states and when he was poor and had abundance...these clowns teach you that it is God's only desire you be "blessed" at all times....code word for "blessed" means rich and needing nothing....I have heard Copeland and his son in law and all of them say this exact statement....SO a seed and watch God make you rich and needing nothing....

Modern day church of laodicea that Jesus vomits out of his mouth...


Well I don't believe that way and neither do the people who I personally know in my life or the ones I chose to listen to on the radio or TV. We believe being content is proper and right but it doesn't mean we don't strive to gain all that Jesus died to give us. I have had a major problem with fear and anxiety for much of my life.

Because of my fears and anxiety I lost family and friends. The enemy convinces people they should be alone and isolated much like the Bible's man of the tombs. I was like the woman of the tombs. I later began to trust Jesus to take care of me. I began to learn to be content with each small step and stride made each day. He taught me how to be content.

First., I was joyful and happy and content that I was no longer up all night tormented and afraid of doom to happen to me. The Holy Spirit had revealed to me Jesus is the Good Shepherd Who REALLY promises He will take care of me. And He did!

Then as that truth became more real and true in the months and years ahead ., the Holy Spirit taught me some other truths on top of the first level of rock solid truths of Jesus. I could begin to go outside my home and talk to people where a few years before I feared people. As that kind of fear of people was demolished I was able to move forward and begin to work again. The Lord actually teaches us how we demolish long held strongholds of the enemy in our lives by faith.
2 Cor.10:4-5

[SUP]4 [/SUP]For the weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood], but they are mighty before God for the overthrow and destruction of strongholds,
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5 [/SUP][Inasmuch as we] refute arguments and theories and reasonings and every proud and lofty thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God; and we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One),


You see., we are to learn to be thankful and content with each new lesson and blessing He gives us. Being thankful and content is how we learn more. But we are not to stay in one place. He wants us to press on.
Phil.3:12-15

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Not that I have now attained [this ideal], or have already been made perfect, but I press on to lay hold of (grasp) and make my own, that for which Christ Jesus (the Messiah) has laid hold of me and made me His own.
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13 [/SUP]I do not consider, brethren, that I have captured and made it my own [yet]; but one thing I do [it is my one aspiration]: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,
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14 [/SUP]I press on toward the goal to win the [supreme and heavenly] prize to which God in Christ Jesus is calling us upward.
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15 [/SUP]So let those [of us] who are spiritually mature and full-grown have this mind and hold these convictions; and if in any respect you have a different attitude of mind, God will make that clear to you also.

And He will make it clear to us as we go along.




This of course works in the natural realm. I had no job and was on welfare because of my fear and anxiety. But then the Lord gave me the Word and healed me and then gave me a good job.

I lived in a trailer with holes in the roof and was thankful for it even when it leaked. Later He gave me another trailer without holes in the roof and I was spared the leaking damaging roof I could not afford to fix.

Then the Lord gave me a better job as He began to free me of more fears and anxieties about life and taught me to dare to trust Him more. Then I lived in a double wide house with no holes in the roof and a back yard and a place for my dog and me to walk.


Now just this year the Lord gave me a house out in the country with a metal roof being planned when i move into it. He addressed my very personal fears and showed me by His own hand how He cares about my concerns and wants me to trust Him more each day. He has not left me alone. There is also a local church right down the road from my country house.

These steps of faith we take will lead us into more faith steps to take. That's what our life is about. The Lord Jesus doesn't say "step out and trust me but don't expect me to be there when you step out there." What kind of Savior is not able to save or keep us? So we dare more and more to step out where He leads and He is there always. Those who trust Him wholly find Him wholly true.

I'm not rich with money but I'm rich in the blessing of knowing I'm not alone anymore. He will always be here for me. That He will lead to more challenges and will walk with me through them just as He showed me before through the many jobs, illnesses, relationships with their losses and their gains.

This is our Savior. He teaches us that we need only Him. That when we have Him we have everything we need. Then He will also bless us with other things along the way. It is His joy to give us the kingdom!

 
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joaniemarie

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It's so important to note about the verse here;

[SUP]5 [/SUP][Inasmuch as we] refute arguments and theories and reasonings and every proud and lofty thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God; and we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One),


The "we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ" We are to be looking to HIS obedience and HIS thoughts. We don't look at our failed thoughts and our failed obedience and try to lead them captive to obey Christ. No., we look at Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith.

His thoughts and His obedience are what we look at. He is the example to follow. Don't make the mistake of looking at your own thoughts and obedience's. That will lead to complete failure. We are always to believe that "herein is love... NOT that we loved God but that HE LOVED us. That is our faith walk to believe Him and that will teach us to love Him and to love others. , to be like Him and follow Him.


 

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still continuing with the personal assumptions, suppositions about me and getting personal, but could not even touch my post #87....

There is a difference between correcting a persons doctrine and attacking them personally...you see personal attack, because your version of the truth is a cotton candy and skim milk gospel, that leaves out trial, tribulations, sufferings, persecutions that Jesus said we would have and must endure to advance his kingdom for his glory....your version of the truth is getting people into thinking that the kingdom is for personal benefit and personal glory only...that we don't have to deposit anything, but only make withdraws...it is your benefit minded theology that forces you to personally attack and defend...anything deeper than a personal devo you get for sowing a seed....

The difference is not how we see God, because as you rightly claim he is a Good God and wants the best for his kiddos.....he blesses us with spiritual blessings in heavenly places with Christ Jesus...yet he is also pleased when go through the trials and rest in him to bring us through...

The difference is that you are benefits minded on the now and what you have received...which leaves you on the wrong side of the Jordan....I prefer to gain the full promise and go and take the land....which means you have to cross the river, walk with God in a few valleys, and then work with God take on a few giants, drop a few walls, step on a few necks and take a mountain or two .....

God does not mind that you don't want to cross the river and enter into the complete promise....as such though, he will never find faith in you to do anything but settle for the now....


Well, the thing is He blesses us to be a blessing. We have crossed to the Promised land in Christ. I'm not trying to work my way over there. Jesus already got us across when He died on the cross and rose again. What we are supposed to be doing now is walking by faith IN the promises of God IN Christ. We have been given wells that we didn't dig and houses we didn't build.

Adam sinned and lost our place but Jesus got it back for us. Jesus is the God-man. The first of many brethren. Now we have His imputed righteousness and we walk by faith and claim the promises He died to give us. Now satan can't accuse us anymore because Jesus is our Advocate. Adam fell, Jesus stood strong. We are no longer condemned or held guilty. We are no longer cursed. We are now the righteousness of God IN Christ. We are to walk in that righteousness Jesus died to give us.

We are more than conquerors!!

 
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Well I don't believe that way and neither do the people who I personally know in my life or the ones I chose to listen to on the radio or TV. We believe being content is proper and right but it doesn't mean we don't strive to gain all that Jesus died to give us. I have had a major problem with fear and anxiety for much of my life.

You say you don't believe that way, yet you post joseph prince's material non stop who believes totally that way.

That's kinda like saying "I don't like guns", & then join the military.

A person believes according to who they read & study from..... explain that.:rolleyes:
 
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The way some throw those words around you would sure think so.
So you are saying Jesus, Paul, James are liars and did not teach God's living Word under the leadership of the Holy Spirit???



Joanie does not believe that if you say you are healed, you are healed
God Almighty says I'm healed... and I am!

It's great spending ZERO on medical bills cause Doctor Jesus keep a brutha well... at least those bruthas not saying His Word is a lie on the subject of healing.

The key is to study the entire Word of God and learn HOW to receive health / healing cause liars be listening to satan claiming Jesus did not provide for our healing.

Those or the poor, destitute souls be asking others to pray for them when they get sick and then argue with those that try to teach them how to receive what Jesus PAID FOR THEM TO HAVE... so, I guess they be gonna have to stay sick and NO it's not God's will they they be dat ways.



Your diagram...
Is lacking praise / worship / and Thanksgiving that the Lord has!

2 Peter 1:3,4
According as his divine power hath given unto us ALL things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust


He done purchased it YO!


Ohhh when was the last time I prayed... "Lord, give me a Mercedes Benz" And PHOOFFF it sits there in my driveway
That's because you asked amisss to consume it on your own desires... instead of what the Lord wants

James 4:3
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
 

joaniemarie

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You say you don't believe that way, yet you post joseph prince's material non stop who believes totally that way.

That's kinda like saying "I don't like guns", & then join the military.

A person believes according to who they read & study from..... explain that.:rolleyes:



Non stop? So posting maybe 2 devotionals a week is non stop? You don't know who I listen to when I'm not posting here. You still don't know what I believe even though I've posted here for a very long time. You exaggerate and are extremely inflammatory when it comes to anyone who even seems like they are what you consider "Word of faith" believers.

And btw, so what if I have some Word of Faith leanings? Does this mean I'm worthy of your disdain and crass judgments every time I post here? Should I be the victim of your continual discrimination just because I believe in healing and speak in tongues and the rapture of the church and Psalm 23?

You can't let my posts go without making untrue comments as well as untrue personal statements about me. And frankly you have no right to harass me the way you do.

Why is it you cannot leave me alone? There are many Christians here on CC that I don't agree with in a major way but I don't follow them around and harass them. There are groups of believers who believe many things I don't agree with but I have no desire to try and correct them each and every time they post here.

They are still believers who deserve my respect and concern. You have a problem Stephen and you need to take care of it.

 
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I don't follow you around & harrass you.

You post from a site whose owner is WOF & says so, Is Hyp******e, teaches that all of Jesus' teachings before the cross are invalid because they're OT, tells his people they don't have to repent, conviction is not of God after you're saved, & dozens of other such things.

Even though prince says don't live by any of the OT, somehow he sneaks in tithing, which is totally OT.

So, listening to a heretic, a fraud, a hypocrite, someone with no formal religious training at all..... yet, you're ok in spite of reading, believing, & posting prince's trash? In spite of how the NT says have nothing to do with them, no not even to eat with them? The NT says to separate ourselves from such people, & you embrace jp & his teachings.

I don't say harsh things to you because you're you, but because of what you surround yourself with.

How can light have anything to do with darkness?!?