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I'd hate to be in trouble for giving credit to satan and demons for something the Holy Spirit did do.
Are those false signs and wonders going to be done in the name of Jesus Christ, or are they going to be done without using His name? I would think it's the latter, but I'm open to being wrong on that.
Saying that healing miracles done in the name of Jesus is the work of demons IS what the pharisees said though.
Are those false signs and wonders going to be done in the name of Jesus Christ, or are they going to be done without using His name? I would think it's the latter, but I'm open to being wrong on that.
Saying that healing miracles done in the name of Jesus is the work of demons IS what the pharisees said though.
A
Well of coarse they will use His name...He told us many would.
Another time he said many will come to him saying they did all that in His name..remember
He said many, and He said He never knew them.
Theres a ton of scripture that should make you stand up and take notice to the point
that if you are not seeing false prophets, false teachers, and false signs and wonders
then you should doubt that the bible is true,
Another time he said many will come to him saying they did all that in His name..remember
He said many, and He said He never knew them.
Theres a ton of scripture that should make you stand up and take notice to the point
that if you are not seeing false prophets, false teachers, and false signs and wonders
then you should doubt that the bible is true,
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M
Wait wait wait. Now, off the top of my head, I recall Jesus talking about false people coming in His name, and I recall Jesus saying people would perform miracles, but I don't recall Jesus saying they would perform miracles by using the name of Christ. Scripture please?
So we should take the extremist stance and say that any healing miracles done with the name of Jesus are autormatically and instantly false teachers? And we should make this conclusion despite what the Bible says in contrary, that believers will lay hands on the sick and they'll be healed? There's no biblical reason to believe that healings and miracles have ceased. Heck, if that was the case, then me having an evil spirit cast out of me in the name of Jesus Christ must be false. Instead, I'm going to continue not just believing that the Bible is true, but that God's Word still has power today. (even the demons belive Jesus is lord and know that the Bible is true)
That's true, casting out demons can be a form of healing.
So we should take the extremist stance and say that any healing miracles done with the name of Jesus are autormatically and instantly false teachers? And we should make this conclusion despite what the Bible says in contrary, that believers will lay hands on the sick and they'll be healed? There's no biblical reason to believe that healings and miracles have ceased. Heck, if that was the case, then me having an evil spirit cast out of me in the name of Jesus Christ must be false. Instead, I'm going to continue not just believing that the Bible is true, but that God's Word still has power today. (even the demons belive Jesus is lord and know that the Bible is true)
That's true, casting out demons can be a form of healing.
M
Ah, thank you. I was thinking of a different passage.
Why do I need to prove anything to you, especially a Bible believing Christian?
As far as testing and verifying things, there's no (scientific) test you could do to prove an event in history. There's historical/legal types of evidence, but you seem to be talking about scientific evidence (correct me if I'm wrong).
There's also occasions when someone such as a blind man is healed when an evil spirit is cast out of them. (Matthew 12:22) They can hand in hand, but not always.
Why do I need to prove anything to you, especially a Bible believing Christian?
As far as testing and verifying things, there's no (scientific) test you could do to prove an event in history. There's historical/legal types of evidence, but you seem to be talking about scientific evidence (correct me if I'm wrong).
There's also occasions when someone such as a blind man is healed when an evil spirit is cast out of them. (Matthew 12:22) They can hand in hand, but not always.
A
He is wise. He is so wise that he didn't take spiritual gifting away from His children simply because some people pursue signs and wonders more than God Himself anymore than Jesus stopped healing people simply because some of the people He met were looking for signs and wonders more than Him. He didn't stop when He walked the earth, He promised His followers they would do greater things, and wisely He has kept his promise.
M
Actually, when Jesus said that he was talking to the pharisees that were demanding signs and wonders, after the pharisees had already seen signs and wonders. The pharisees were indeed not looking to pursue Christ, but rather they wanted Jesus to perform signs and wonders as part of the pharisees' trap to find fault in Jesus and arrest Him and kill Him.
A
You are correct, of course. However, in John 4, a man came to Jesus seeking healing for his son and Jesus said, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you will by no means believe.” The man was not interested in theology but just that his son was dying. Jesus healed his son anyways.
Conversely, Jesus’ antagonists demanded a sign (Mk 8:11) as you point out. Plus, Jesus warned that there would be future false Christs/prophets who would perform counterfeit "signs and wonders" (Mk 13:22; Mt 24:24).
However, Jesus promised that His disciples would work miracles and He gave them the power and authority to do so... and do even greater things than He had done (John 14:12).
So it's no surprise that in Acts we see miracle after miracle while the Church is given practical instruction throughout the Epistles in supernatural spiritual gifting.
This continues right through recorded church history to the present.
So while discernment is necessary to separate false christs/prophets performing counterfeit "signs and wonders" to lead people away from the God and the Gospel into their cult heresy (ex: Gnosticism) from genuine born-again believers exercising their supernatural spiritual gifting from God, these Christians who assert there is no difference... are in gross error.
Conversely, Jesus’ antagonists demanded a sign (Mk 8:11) as you point out. Plus, Jesus warned that there would be future false Christs/prophets who would perform counterfeit "signs and wonders" (Mk 13:22; Mt 24:24).
However, Jesus promised that His disciples would work miracles and He gave them the power and authority to do so... and do even greater things than He had done (John 14:12).
So it's no surprise that in Acts we see miracle after miracle while the Church is given practical instruction throughout the Epistles in supernatural spiritual gifting.
This continues right through recorded church history to the present.
So while discernment is necessary to separate false christs/prophets performing counterfeit "signs and wonders" to lead people away from the God and the Gospel into their cult heresy (ex: Gnosticism) from genuine born-again believers exercising their supernatural spiritual gifting from God, these Christians who assert there is no difference... are in gross error.
From my perspective I see miracles every day, but I'm not looking for signs, just seeing the hand of God at work.
The first love and first works being experienced as we see is the example in Acts 2 (the whole chapter), is the full example of the Kingdom of Heaven in and on earth.
It's a miracle if in this time we see this example again, and I believe we're close to seeing the full example again.
King James Version Acts 2:44 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
King James Version Acts 4:32 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
The first love and first works being experienced as we see is the example in Acts 2 (the whole chapter), is the full example of the Kingdom of Heaven in and on earth.
It's a miracle if in this time we see this example again, and I believe we're close to seeing the full example again.
King James Version Acts 2:44 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
King James Version Acts 4:32 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
God is working miracles everyday, so many times i've went to a store looking for a certain item, and the last one was sitting on shelf, when this happens i say thank you Father for putting one aside for me. This is just one of the miracles i see happening in my life. One time when i was on the road preaching about 30 years ago, i was walking up a mountain. i started getting weary, and i seen a nice plush area with green grass i thought that looks comfy. So i went down and kicked back in the grass. Was watching the clouds, i seen a cloud in the shape of a fish, i thought thats neat, the i seen another come behind it same shape and size, i thought this is cool is the Father trying to tell me something. So i got my gear together, and headed back up to road, as soon as i got to the road, a van pulled over, an older couple was in the van, and asked what i was doing. i told them was out living the life of Christ, and sharing His Word. The couple took me to their home, i shared the word for a couple days, did some work in the garden for them. Their son lived next door so i was able to share Jesus with him as well. Thankyou Christ Jesus, your miracles are still happening no matter what people say. Need to believe it to see it.