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Let's take your definition for argument's sake.
Do you think that most these self proclaimed internet prophets (SPIP) would be humble enough to see themselves restricted to testifying to already revealed truths? Their pride seems to be such where they come hinting that they are a few spiritual notches above others and prey on the weaker Christians with their 'inside scoop'.
Do you think that most these self proclaimed internet prophets (SPIP) would be humble enough to see themselves restricted to testifying to already revealed truths? Their pride seems to be such where they come hinting that they are a few spiritual notches above others and prey on the weaker Christians with their 'inside scoop'.
Or were they? That's kind of where I am going with my original question on here. Like for instance King David. In David's time people like Nathan were in the formal office of prophet. The OT writings do not explicitly say David is a prophet to my knowledge. David was by formal office, a king. Yet David testifies to God and Jesus numerous times, and even in Acts it says clearly that David was a prophet.
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actually crossnote, that would not be the def for the NT definition
please consider the quote from corinthians regarding what Paul said...now how could many people be prophysing if it was like an OT prophet?
the problem, IMO, regarding false prophets today, is exactly that they think they ARE like an OT prophet and that is not the gift!
The gift of prophesy today, according to scripture, is more concerned with the FORTHTELLING of the word rather than the FORETELLING
believers have the Holy Spirit indwelling them....the OT seems to reveal the Holy Spirit resting UPON as the oil as metaphor suggests (ie when the prophet anointed David to be king while he was still a shepherd)
The Hebrew word for prophet is 'nabi' and that is from a root meaning to 'bubble forth, similar to a fountain' and meaning to 'utter'
There are metaphors for this in the OT as well as prophecy, which has been fulfilled in the believer, of springs of living water flowing from within...that seems to be a fullfillment from what I understand?
So, irregardless of what testament, new or old, we have the word of the Lord 'springing up' and or 'going forth'...again, the main effort of OT prophets was to turn people back to God...NT prophets functioning in the same manner, and all through the word brought to them by the Holy Spirit and in turn spoken by them...it is different then simply saying...turn back from your sin...as Jesus promised, the Holy Spirit is also to enable us to be a witness WITH power for Christ
It is my conviction that you do not have to speak in tongues to be filled with the Spirit and operate in a gift...my current understanding is that would be adding to scripture...on the other hand, Paul says he wishes all would pray in tongues but that is not an event in church he is speaking of...again, there is more than one use for tongues and I really do not want to get into that here....there is no need to
The focus is on a biblical perspective on prophets....although the gifts can overlap
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it does seem there is a distinct gift referred to as prophet? but it is important to note that a person can prophesy if we apply the correct meaning, to speak the word of the Lord or God's word...or deliver a message from scripture with the conviction of the truth of the word as the Holy Spirit makes it real to both the speaker and the one hearing
I do think a prophet can foretell...but not most of the nonsense going about today
for example, we have a prophet coming up to Paul and telling him, in fact illustrating, what would happen to Paul if he continued on his way to Jerusalem
10After we had been there a number of days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11Coming over to us, he took Paul’s belt, tied his own hands and feet with it and said, “The Holy Spirit says, ‘In this way the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem will bind the owner of this belt and will hand him over to the Gentiles.’ ”12When we heard this, we and the people there pleaded with Paul not to go up to Jerusalem. 13Then Paul answered, “Why are you weeping and breaking my heart? I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.” 14When he would not be dissuaded, we gave up and said, “The Lord’s will be done.”
I find an interesting thing to note here...Agabus is defined as a prophet in the sense of foretelling...or warning....BUT he does not insist Paul listen to him, he does not say God told me to tell you and he does not say 'thus says the Lord'...instead, he says the Holy Spirit says! Now that is different from the OT, right? we see something quite different
Remember that each believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit and the prophet states the Holy Spirit is saying and of course we know that the Holy Spirit does not operate from His own, but only what is of God who directs
So all these self appointed prophets with their threats, curses and words of woe should take note and remember that we are not only allowed to weigh their words, we are SUPPOSED to do so and judge the spirit that is behind the message
See, we are all members of Christ's body and the gifts are to build up Christ's body...not tear it down or condemn it or put fear into people or instill rebellion
There is so much in scripture to enable us to be able to use our own good judgement as allowed by the Spirit of God so that we really do not have to be taken captive by a personality that really has no more standing before God than the least one of all of us! In God's eyes we are equal before Him irregardless of whatever gifts He gives...again...I believe some start out right and are persuaded for one reason or another to turn aside and they loose the love and they become hard and believe their job is to convict and make tremble
nuh uh...that is not it all!
I do think a prophet can foretell...but not most of the nonsense going about today
for example, we have a prophet coming up to Paul and telling him, in fact illustrating, what would happen to Paul if he continued on his way to Jerusalem
10After we had been there a number of days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11Coming over to us, he took Paul’s belt, tied his own hands and feet with it and said, “The Holy Spirit says, ‘In this way the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem will bind the owner of this belt and will hand him over to the Gentiles.’ ”12When we heard this, we and the people there pleaded with Paul not to go up to Jerusalem. 13Then Paul answered, “Why are you weeping and breaking my heart? I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.” 14When he would not be dissuaded, we gave up and said, “The Lord’s will be done.”
I find an interesting thing to note here...Agabus is defined as a prophet in the sense of foretelling...or warning....BUT he does not insist Paul listen to him, he does not say God told me to tell you and he does not say 'thus says the Lord'...instead, he says the Holy Spirit says! Now that is different from the OT, right? we see something quite different
Remember that each believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit and the prophet states the Holy Spirit is saying and of course we know that the Holy Spirit does not operate from His own, but only what is of God who directs
So all these self appointed prophets with their threats, curses and words of woe should take note and remember that we are not only allowed to weigh their words, we are SUPPOSED to do so and judge the spirit that is behind the message
See, we are all members of Christ's body and the gifts are to build up Christ's body...not tear it down or condemn it or put fear into people or instill rebellion
There is so much in scripture to enable us to be able to use our own good judgement as allowed by the Spirit of God so that we really do not have to be taken captive by a personality that really has no more standing before God than the least one of all of us! In God's eyes we are equal before Him irregardless of whatever gifts He gives...again...I believe some start out right and are persuaded for one reason or another to turn aside and they loose the love and they become hard and believe their job is to convict and make tremble
nuh uh...that is not it all!
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Also to note on what dcon has said. I agree, I don't think there are any new revelations, but there still are prophets. One doesn't need a new revelation to be a prophet. Wouldn't they merely have to testify to that which is all ready revealed, namely the testimony of Jesus? In fact most the prophets in the OT and NT are pretty much saying and testifying to the same things which were revealed to them, supporting one another's words as veritable.
I would really have to agree here! scripture agrees with itself and I do not believe in new revelations..if anyone has looked into some of them, many are disgraceful and nothing to do with God who is Holy
Also to note on what dcon has said. I agree, I don't think there are any new revelations, but there still are prophets. One doesn't need a new revelation to be a prophet. Wouldn't they merely have to testify to that which is all ready revealed, namely the testimony of Jesus? In fact most the prophets in the OT and NT are pretty much saying and testifying to the same things which were revealed to them, supporting one another's words as veritable.
I would really have to agree here! scripture agrees with itself and I do not believe in new revelations..if anyone has looked into some of them, many are disgraceful and nothing to do with God who is Holy
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Try reading the study that I linked to, you never know you might even learn something! 
anyone can read and or study it as you provided the link
I am always up for learning new things that are actually old things...
I am seriously pressed for time right now in my life outside these forums, but I will even get back to you, K? might take awhile though
I agree a prophet can indeed still foretell. For Jesus is the Christ and being crucified and resurrected and ascended returns in glory and majesty at the end of the world. Not to be blunt, but that has not happened yet, but it will, and the day approaches soon at hand. A terrible day, but also yet a glorious day because the total consummation and fulfillment of Jesus revealed to all openly verified by the Son of Man coming with glory in the clouds at the right hand of God. There will be no shadow of a doubt for indeed even literally there shall be no shadows at all. The day of resurrection and the terrible judgment, but alas after it all the good eternal day and the good Father and Son doth rest with his children in his perfect creation in praise and harmony and love forever, amen.
This is the central plot of the Bible from the beginning to the end. It is all made possible by God and his son Jesus, his Word formed of his Holy Spirit, One Ultimate God, what they call the trinity. Christianity is not polytheistic unless you reckon that Jesus and thus the Father spake the truth when he said ye be gods, sons of the Most High. God is love and good and therefore God is the God of Salvation spoken of by many men both in the Bible and since, even today. My understanding to its uttermost and please make it no offense, for I feel tender talking about the Holy Spirit on CC, for I don't want to cause a doubtful or foul topic or controversies of that sort which I all ready see exist, I wish not to start or add such upon myself or for the sake of others. If it be you want my base opinion on the matter of the Holy Spirit, I have not been baptized for I know not which church may lay the hands and do it. I feel sealed though and I believe the Holy Spirit is utter love, the literal Breath of God that formed the Word made flesh in the womb of the virgin. I find fault in all your denominations and churches of stone. I am hindered by your denominations and divisions! For I hear the Protestant as he points out the Catholic's sin of idolatry and I hear the Catholic as he points out the Protestant's sin of even the foulest of heresies. Why should Christendom not forgive each other and be unified to prepare for the tribulations soon upon the whole world? That is the uttermost of my knowledge as far as prophecies go, even the entire Bible, even the time of now and what some would call reality, and what is fore to come. I know not the day or the hour, nor does anyone or anything upon the earth or in the heavens, save the Father alone.
Do these facts make me a prophet or this a prophesy? Judge ye, but mind you all that read this, I have not called myself a prophet unless it be by implication of simply FORTHTELLING as Ember have said, and which any Christian can do. I judge you seem a good teacher, perhaps that is a gift to cultivate, Lady Ember. I know what you mean about judging words, and concepts, and situations. This is what I try to do, sometimes though harsh words are needed for harsh concepts, or words some think strange and others outdated or newer. That is even why I try to speak in higher words on here, as some mistake for Shakespearian to their good compliment of me, even when they mean it as an insult. It is to the end I may get in the habit of not being so crass offline.
I don't like the judging of people so much though, I try to defend people because we all be accused day and night anyways, so what good comes of it? Jesus loves us all, even base woody bad people. Even if I judge their situations or problems harshly or try to explore their thoughts, I want the best for all the people. Alas though all people have judged each other, all are guilty, all are guilty of sin, I am no better. I don't want anyone to perish though, many can be saved. The love of Jesus overcomes all. The War of Words is a long war to endure indeed. Be of good cheer the war is all ready won by God's Word, from his time on the cross when Jesus proved he was ultimately forgiving, and Jesus' resurrection and ascension proving the Father is ultimately forgiving and loving, to the end of the world. Even in the present time. Even before our time and time itself, from when Jesus first proceeded from the Father. Even because he was always dwelling inside Him.
I apologize for the length as I pour myself out a bit to you. Indeed fewer words are often best, there is even one on here whom speaks few words and asks you all yes and no questions, which is totally biblical and not one of you have defeated his word. Reconsider your vehemence against him I beg. I am not him and he did not ask me to say this. This I think be my last post on this topic, and the ponderances of prophets of late. I may even take a break for a while, though I do admit I love visiting this site. Yet lest I become either ridiculed completely bringing shame to CC, people I have indeed a measure of love for, or rather to become too puffed up by myself or in the eyes of others, for think me no great man at all. I am either way you judge me to try to avoid making you sin and I have been judged much on here, I myself account I am one of the least in almost all ways. I find you all to be my equals or even superior for sure, even those banned or no longer with us by virtue of offline reasons. Yet there is even an advantage in making oneself lowly because you still want the others to do well, even better than yourself if they can bear it, and can help encourage, comfort and spur them on.
Lost weary sheep stay close together and follow the Shepherd Jesus only. Truly our only Way is Jesus and not any man here even if he be a prophet or not.
This is the central plot of the Bible from the beginning to the end. It is all made possible by God and his son Jesus, his Word formed of his Holy Spirit, One Ultimate God, what they call the trinity. Christianity is not polytheistic unless you reckon that Jesus and thus the Father spake the truth when he said ye be gods, sons of the Most High. God is love and good and therefore God is the God of Salvation spoken of by many men both in the Bible and since, even today. My understanding to its uttermost and please make it no offense, for I feel tender talking about the Holy Spirit on CC, for I don't want to cause a doubtful or foul topic or controversies of that sort which I all ready see exist, I wish not to start or add such upon myself or for the sake of others. If it be you want my base opinion on the matter of the Holy Spirit, I have not been baptized for I know not which church may lay the hands and do it. I feel sealed though and I believe the Holy Spirit is utter love, the literal Breath of God that formed the Word made flesh in the womb of the virgin. I find fault in all your denominations and churches of stone. I am hindered by your denominations and divisions! For I hear the Protestant as he points out the Catholic's sin of idolatry and I hear the Catholic as he points out the Protestant's sin of even the foulest of heresies. Why should Christendom not forgive each other and be unified to prepare for the tribulations soon upon the whole world? That is the uttermost of my knowledge as far as prophecies go, even the entire Bible, even the time of now and what some would call reality, and what is fore to come. I know not the day or the hour, nor does anyone or anything upon the earth or in the heavens, save the Father alone.
Do these facts make me a prophet or this a prophesy? Judge ye, but mind you all that read this, I have not called myself a prophet unless it be by implication of simply FORTHTELLING as Ember have said, and which any Christian can do. I judge you seem a good teacher, perhaps that is a gift to cultivate, Lady Ember. I know what you mean about judging words, and concepts, and situations. This is what I try to do, sometimes though harsh words are needed for harsh concepts, or words some think strange and others outdated or newer. That is even why I try to speak in higher words on here, as some mistake for Shakespearian to their good compliment of me, even when they mean it as an insult. It is to the end I may get in the habit of not being so crass offline.
I don't like the judging of people so much though, I try to defend people because we all be accused day and night anyways, so what good comes of it? Jesus loves us all, even base woody bad people. Even if I judge their situations or problems harshly or try to explore their thoughts, I want the best for all the people. Alas though all people have judged each other, all are guilty, all are guilty of sin, I am no better. I don't want anyone to perish though, many can be saved. The love of Jesus overcomes all. The War of Words is a long war to endure indeed. Be of good cheer the war is all ready won by God's Word, from his time on the cross when Jesus proved he was ultimately forgiving, and Jesus' resurrection and ascension proving the Father is ultimately forgiving and loving, to the end of the world. Even in the present time. Even before our time and time itself, from when Jesus first proceeded from the Father. Even because he was always dwelling inside Him.
I apologize for the length as I pour myself out a bit to you. Indeed fewer words are often best, there is even one on here whom speaks few words and asks you all yes and no questions, which is totally biblical and not one of you have defeated his word. Reconsider your vehemence against him I beg. I am not him and he did not ask me to say this. This I think be my last post on this topic, and the ponderances of prophets of late. I may even take a break for a while, though I do admit I love visiting this site. Yet lest I become either ridiculed completely bringing shame to CC, people I have indeed a measure of love for, or rather to become too puffed up by myself or in the eyes of others, for think me no great man at all. I am either way you judge me to try to avoid making you sin and I have been judged much on here, I myself account I am one of the least in almost all ways. I find you all to be my equals or even superior for sure, even those banned or no longer with us by virtue of offline reasons. Yet there is even an advantage in making oneself lowly because you still want the others to do well, even better than yourself if they can bear it, and can help encourage, comfort and spur them on.
Lost weary sheep stay close together and follow the Shepherd Jesus only. Truly our only Way is Jesus and not any man here even if he be a prophet or not.
Crossnote that is your view of things stirred up by a few on here who have refused exhortation because of pride. Read the section on the prophetic in the article that jb sent here: it is very good. In it you will see the functions of the prophets in the New Testament church and maybe get a more accurate view of what is going on here.
In practice, because we know in part and we prophesy in part as Paul says in 1 Cor 13:9, there will be things heard that are not spoken 100% accurately, because spiritual things are sometimes hard to explain with a fleshly tongue. Any prophet of these church times would to some extent have to learn how to accurately speak what they hear. We are told not to despise prophesyings so we need to be in an environment where they are likely to happen for starters, and then we ourselves may ask the Lord for the gift of interpretation, if we feel someone else is interpreting wrongly.
If you have a look at that article from jb it will help you understand the heart of God in providing us with prophets: it is a good thing and we need that discipline and authority in the church. Without it, it is not surprising so many get stuck in false doctrine all pasted in place by the bondage of false authority.
If you have a look at that article from jb it will help you understand the heart of God in providing us with prophets: it is a good thing and we need that discipline and authority in the church. Without it, it is not surprising so many get stuck in false doctrine all pasted in place by the bondage of false authority.