Prosperity Gospel

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iwant2serve

iwant2serve

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This title seems to get people saying the teaching is false. Yet the Gospel is prosperous by definition (Prosper-a successful, flourishing, or thriving condition, to thrive, succeed, etc, or cause to thrive, succeed). If we listen to people telling you that prosperity is all about material wealth then you are listening to a misguided person because God want us to prosper in Him first and that is according to our faith in a relationship with him. This however does not mean you will be rich in earthly materials. That is the worlds way to define who is prosperous. Therefore next time you hear prosperity mentioned with the gospel find out what a person means. Matt 6:33 says, But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Also the favor of God in your live is greater than any amount of money you can ever have.
 
Hizikyah

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Mattithyah 6:19, "Do not store up treasures for yourselves upon earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal; For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
 
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So why even go there? Why accommodate known error?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Sophia

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I would like to know what "prosperity" should look like then, because the only times I hear it are from mega-rich preachers who keep asking for more money, and then say that if you give money to them then you will be prosperous too.
I just want to understand why a person would align themselves with these moneychangers, and make excuses for the phrases they use.
I used to belong to a prosperity preaching church. It is earthly minded, and temporally minded. It's all about what God can do for you, and nothing about what we are to be doing for the Kingdom (except give money, and expect blessings because you gave).
 
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iwant2serve said:
This title seems to get people saying the teaching is false. Yet the Gospel is prosperous by definition (Prosper-a successful, flourishing, or thriving condition, to thrive, succeed, etc, or cause to thrive, succeed). If we listen to people telling you that prosperity is all about material wealth then you are listening to a misguided person because God want us to prosper in Him first and that is according to our faith in a relationship with him. This however does not mean you will be rich in earthly materials. That is the worlds way to define who is prosperous. Therefore next time you hear prosperity mentioned with the gospel find out what a person means. Matt 6:33 says, But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Also the favor of God in your live is greater than any amount of money you can ever have.
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These things added unto you = food, clothing and shelter

Solomon also said that to enjoy the fruits of your labor is from the hand of God and the bible also teaches that the love of money is the root of all evil......

In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer for I have overcome the world.

There is a fine line for sure....
 
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Iwant2serve I see where you are going with this, and I would agree with you.
Those that preach a prosperity gospel that if you believe in Him you have everything you ever wanted, health, wealth, and so on.
But those who preach a prosperity gospel as in you will gain in love, forgiving, and mercy as your spiritual growth gets stronger are preaching properly. People have been mislead in the hearing of prosperity gospel, as I have been one of those that thought that way of they only teach great health, and great wealth. Not all do though.

We need to actually sit down and watch and listen to all that they say, and not just part to see how they really teach. I have even seen some on here that jump the gun and claim people believe a certain or say things that they haven't because they only read half of what a person has said, and not all they said.
 
Hizikyah

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Matt 7:7-14, " Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you : For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened. For what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, would give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, would give him a serpent? If you then, being sinful, know how to give righteous gifts to your children, how much more will your Father Who is in heaven give righteous gifts to those who ask Him? Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the teaching of the Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."

To me real prosperity is walking the narrow path, that comes from Yah's guidance. When one is doing that they have all the joy, health, well being, abundance, etc.

Matt 6:24, "No one can be the slave of two owners. For either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be loyal to one and despise the other. You cannot be a servant to both Yahweh and riches."

 
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Sophia

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Go try to preach prosperity doctrine to Paul while he was in chains, or to Stephen as the stones were being thrown, or to any of the Christians being slaughtered in northern Iraq and in Syria.
We do have blessings and Promises of God that we can hold to, but not in the way that TD Jake's and Joyce Meyers preach it.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Sophia said:
I would like to know what "prosperity" should look like then, because the only times I hear it are from mega-rich preachers who keep asking for more money, and then say that if you give money to them then you will be prosperous too.
I just want to understand why a person would align themselves with these moneychangers, and make excuses for the phrases they use.
I used to belong to a prosperity preaching church. It is earthly minded, and temporally minded. It's all about what God can do for you, and nothing about what we are to be doing for the Kingdom (except give money, and expect blessings because you gave).
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Do you love Him and all people, including your enemies?
Do you forgive those who have done wrong?
Do you show mercy to those who are in need of help and guidance?

If you have done and are doing the questions I posted then you have prospered in the gospel. For you are walking in the light as we are told we should walk.
 
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Sophia

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kennethcadwell said:
Do you love Him and all people, including your enemies?
Do you forgive those who have done wrong?
Do you show mercy to those who are in need of help and guidance?

If you have done and are doing the questions I posted then you have prospered in the gospel. For you are walking in the light as we are told we should walk.
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Prospered in the gospel?
What you described is living out the Gospel. Bearing good fruit. Don't use that word "prosper", as it means something different to those of us who used to follow the doctrines of demons of health and wealth.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Prospered in the gospel?
What you described is living out the Gospel. Bearing good fruit. Don't use that word "prosper", as it means something different to those of us who used to follow the doctrines of demons of health and wealth.
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I am just saying that is what I believe Iwant2serve is saying, and I agree.
When we all started out we were weak in the faith, as we dove into the scriptures and studying the word instead of believing ever man that has said what they had to say. We started to grow in love and understanding, and through that we learned that we are to show that same love, forgiveness, and mercy shown to us, to all others no matter what the situation is. We no longer live by bread alone, but by every word He gave us.
 
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Sophia

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I think I getcha now.
 
Hizikyah

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kennethcadwell said:
I am just saying that is what I believe Iwant2serve is saying, and I agree.
When we all started out we were weak in the faith, as we dove into the scriptures and studying the word instead of believing ever man that has said what they had to say. We started to grow in love and understanding, and through that we learned that we are to show that same love, forgiveness, and mercy shown to us, to all others no matter what the situation is. We no longer live by bread alone, but by every word He gave us.
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Living like this transforms ones life.

Walking in the ways of Yah naturally guide, protect, and make prosperous from a mere physical level, and the effect of the Spiritual guidance/blessings is far beyond... and even unmeasurable.

Always being honest would make people trust you more and thus more likely to work with you, help you, trust you, etc.
Again this, from even the lowest physical level would be "prosperous" and even a "blessing" to those around you that are also honest. How much more would Yah bless us Spiritually for being within His boundaries?

Romans 1:5, "By Whom we have received mercy and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His Name."

Luke 11:28, "But He said: Yet, rather, blessed are those who hear the plan of Yahweh, and keep; guard, preserve, and obey, it!"
 
iwant2serve

iwant2serve

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Sophia said:
Go try to preach prosperity doctrine to Paul while he was in chains, or to Stephen as the stones were being thrown, or to any of the Christians being slaughtered in northern Iraq and in Syria.
We do have blessings and Promises of God that we can hold to, but not in the way that TD Jake's and Joyce Meyers preach it.
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Pal was prosperous enough to sing and praise God while in prison and Stephen was prosperous enough to say forgive them because they don't know what they are doing. So if you base your prosperity on health and wealth you don't know what prosperity is.
 
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Sophia

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iwant2serve said:
Pal was prosperous enough to sing and praise God while in prison and Stephen was prosperous enough to say forgive them because they don't know what they are doing. So if you base your prosperity on health and wealth you don't know what prosperity is.
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Amen!
I just have a strong dislike for the phrase because of past experience, being brought up in a heath n' wealth community in the middle of the ghetto. Hypocrisy and thievery at it's finest. All the members were dirt poor, and the pastor had a Benz and a Goldwing bike.
I'll have to re-adjust my bias about the word "prosperity".
 
iwant2serve

iwant2serve

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Sophia said:
Amen!
I just have a strong dislike for the phrase because of past experience, being brought up in a heath n' wealth community in the middle of the ghetto. Hypocrisy and thievery at it's finest. All the members were dirt poor, and the pastor had a Benz and a Goldwing bike.
I'll have to re-adjust my bias about the word "prosperity".
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The sad thing is many will use good to perform evil and call it a blessing from God. I myself don't worry about them because God will deal with them all his way in his time. Yet i must say thoes who follow the healty wealth and happieness doctrine don't take time to read their Bibles to see if what is being said follows the correct context. That is why I tell the congregation to go back and look into what I have said and study to see for themselves if what they are being taught is true.
 
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iwant2serve said:
This title seems to get people saying the teaching is false. Yet the Gospel is prosperous by definition (Prosper-a successful, flourishing, or thriving condition, to thrive, succeed, etc, or cause to thrive, succeed). If we listen to people telling you that prosperity is all about material wealth then you are listening to a misguided person because God want us to prosper in Him first and that is according to our faith in a relationship with him. This however does not mean you will be rich in earthly materials. That is the worlds way to define who is prosperous. Therefore next time you hear prosperity mentioned with the gospel find out what a person means. Matt 6:33 says, But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Also the favor of God in your live is greater than any amount of money you can ever have.
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The wisdom of God suppose to be greater than worldly wealth; and so I guess we has to prosper in His word and wisdom to be complete.
 
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