Question about the New Heaven and the New Earth

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Cfultz3, I'm confused as to what you're saying.
 
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Hasnt anyone told you He was flesh and bone?
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Have you read the previous posts Abiding?

Have you first hand knowledge that Christ entered Heaven after the ascention, in the EXACT state/form he was when he left this earth?

Do you believe Christ dwells now in Heaven in a human body of flesh and bones?
If you do, do you believe this body has blood in it?
 
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I repeat, how do you know Christ entered Heaven with the same body he had when he arose from the tomb?
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Because the Bible doesn't mention any other bodily transformation in-between. Jesus would've ascended into Heaven with a perishable, human body but his body would've been renewed and would therefore no longer be perishable.
 
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Because the Bible doesn't mention an other bodily transformation in-between. Jesus would've ascended into Heaven with a perishable, human body but his body would've been renewed and would therefore no longer be perishable.
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The above emboldened is not possible according to Paul


And If Christ dwells in Heaven in a body of flesh and blood, it is persihable
 
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No. For the very reasons I, and many others have stated, that's simply not the case.
 
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mark54 said:
Have you read the previous posts Abiding?

Have you first hand knowledge that Christ entered Heaven after the ascention, in the EXACT state/form he was when he left this earth?

Do you believe Christ dwells now in Heaven in a human body of flesh and bones?
If you do, do you believe this body has blood in it?
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Nope Mark havnt read anything, i stay clear of threads your in generally.

I believe the bible to teach we will have bodies just like His in the ressurrection.
So His ressurected body is what He has now. And He has no blood in His resurrected He said so Himself.

Yes I believe He is in heaven now in a flesh and bone body, no blood.
As mortals we have blood...where the life is. Like Jesus we will be flesh, bone with
a quickening spirit that will give us life, not blood.
 
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No. For the very reasons I, and many others have stated, that's simply not the case.
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To be honest Tintin the beliefs of many on the internet, are certainly not reflective of the vast majorirty of churchgoers(over 90% in fact)
And the demands made by some on the internet are not made by the ministers from the pulpit(not in the UK anyway, and I doubt many in the states either)
 
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Tintin said:
Cfultz3, I'm confused as to what you're saying.
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We know He rose from the grave with flesh and bones, nothing is mentioned of Him having blood (a human's life source) in Him at that moment. We also know that we shall be transformed into the bodies which was made by God when we are called Home. I believe when He was risen back to Heaven, He was transformed with the same body that we shall have when we are risen. But as to that body, we are told that we do not know yet what we shall be, but we shall be like Him, seeing that we shall see Him as He is.

Seeing that He is Life and blood is the life source for the human and He did not have blood in Him when He rose, I can safely assume that we will have that same Life in us as a life source for all of eternity.


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lol what Abiding said in post 66
 
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To be honest Tintin the beliefs of many on the internet, are certainly not reflective of the vast majorirty of churchgoers(over 90% in fact)
And the demands made by some on the internet are not made by the ministers from the pulpit(not in the UK anyway, and I doubt many in the states either)
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guesswork only
 
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I repeat, how do you know Christ entered Heaven with the same body he had when he arose from the tomb?
Do you believe once Christ had been reaised to life he could have been put to death again in the body?

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of Heaven
Christ does not dwell in Heaven in a persishable body of flesh and blood
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Repeat, Jesus IS the life. No one could put Him to death. He gave up the ghost on His own.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud
received him out of their sight.

Rev 11:11-12 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them,
and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. (12) And they
heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud;
and their enemies beheld them.
Bodily up to heaven in a cloud, just like Jesus. Didn't say they were changed. They had life put
back into their dead bodies and stood on their feet, then went up as they were, up to heaven
in a cloud. How many people need to go up to heaven with a body before you believe the Bible?

And as far as flesh and blood, you are the one that keep harping that idea. I haven't
mentioned it. I said "body". I gave another example of two people doing what Jesus did.
Bible says He's coming back in like manner. So, your interpretation of "flesh and blood"
might not be correct. Jesus went up into heaven with a body. Later on, two more are going to
do the same. Enoch went. Elijah went. The two witnesses are going. That's four people
other than Jesus. They didn't have a problem getting there. I got no problem with it.
 
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Oops, Abiding you're right. Jesus would've been resurrected with his renewed body, not a perishable human body and then have it changed upon entering Heaven. I can't believe I wrote that earlier. I certainly believe what you posted.
 
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Repeat, Jesus IS the life. No one could put Him to death. He gave up the ghost on His own.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud
received him out of their sight.

Rev 11:11-12 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them,
and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. (12) And they
heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud;
and their enemies beheld them.
Bodily up to heaven in a cloud, just like Jesus. Didn't say they were changed. They had life put
back into their dead bodies and stood on their feet, then went up as they were, up to heaven
in a cloud. How many people need to go up to heaven with a body before you believe the Bible?

And as far as flesh and blood, you are the one that keep harping that idea. I haven't
mentioned it. I said "body". I gave another example of two people doing what Jesus did.
Bible says He's coming back in like manner. So, your interpretation of "flesh and blood"
might not be correct. Jesus went up into heaven with a body. Later on, two more are going to
do the same. Enoch went. Elijah went. The two witnesses are going. That's four people
other than Jesus. They didn't have a problem getting there. I got no problem with it.
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I don't understand you, do you believe people who have died, now, at this time dwell in Heaven with God?

Enoch and Elijah died and went straight to Heaven to dwell with God?

No one has ever gone into Heaven, except the one who came fron Heaven, the Son of man
John 3:13
 
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mark54 said:
So why ask me a question in this one?
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Ok Mark, please excuse me i went back a few posts and see that i butted into
a dialogue. And didnt see where you were going. Carry on.:p
 
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That part of Revelation hasn't happened yet. People aren't in Heaven or Hell yet, that happens later.
 
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Abiding said:
Ok Mark, please excuse me i went back a few posts and see that i butted into
a dialogue. And didnt see where you were going. Carry on.:p
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I excuse you Abiding, as i do with other beliefs you have too:)
 
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Tintin said:
That part of Revelation hasn't happened yet. People aren't in Heaven or Hell yet, that happens later.
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Tintin,

What are your thoughts about the great cloud of witnesses who watches us from Heaven?
 
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I honestly don't know. Can you please show me the verses? Thanks
 
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mark54 said:
I don't understand you, do you believe people who have died, now, at this time dwell in Heaven with God?

Enoch and Elijah died and went straight to Heaven to dwell with God?

No one has ever gone into Heaven, except the one who came fron Heaven, the Son of man
John 3:13
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Your interpretations contradict other scriptures. You got something wrong. That's the bottom
line. Allow me to post ALL of John 3:13 and ask YOU a question.
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,
even the Son of man which is in heaven.

So, Jesus was in heaven when He said this or was He on the earth? He said He is in heaven.
Or is the interpretation not right here? No one ascended to heaven....ON HIS OWN.
Enoch, Elijah, and the two witnesses, didn't have the power to ascend up, but are
taken up. Jesus has the power to ascend up, because He came down from there.
But two DID go up, with God's help, and two will go up, with God's help, in their body,
into heaven in a cloud. Just who do you think is in that cloud? The same one in the cloud
that lead the jews in the wilderness and was in the cloud at Mt Sinai. The same one who
ascended up into the cloud on His own.
 
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