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bluto said:
Absolutely! In fact I'll even go one better. For example, I know for a fact that when I pray and get answered prayer whether it is yes or no that "reality" proves God is right. And it does not necessarily have to be about prayer. Reality proves God is right or should I say always right by looking at what's happening in the world from what God says in His Word.

A good example (if you notice) is how God has proven Trump to be right on everything he does because God has caused everything to turn out wrong the liberals throw at him. The liberals mean it for bad and God turns it into good, that's reality. Does that make sense? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Ummm, nope. Because first you have to prove the Donald is always right. :p
 
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oldhermit said:
I think perhaps you are misunderstanding what I mean by representational form. I am not suggesting that the universe only exist as an abstract. What I am saying is the we only have access to the universe through representations.
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Sorry, this brain isn't getting the difference.

Is my keyboard a real keyboard or the representation of a keyboard?
 
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What does does scripture tell us about the reliability of so called "laws of nature?"
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The way I'm getting it is "Trust the laws of nature, but when they don't work, assume God is doing his thing. And that is called 'a miracle.'"
 
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Do not trust your natural senses. Send me all your money and I will preserve it from your senses and create a new sense for you. The sense of loss.

For the cause of Christ
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Gravity has already been proven to be different. On earth, if you drop a pound of lead at the same time you drop a pound of Styrofoam, both objects will hit the ground at the same time and at the same speed. Drop those two things on the moon, and the speed slows down. You can't drop them in space. You can let go, but they won't drop. So gravity is either in effect or not in effect depending on where you are, but "Law of Gravity" is consistent according to location.

If you throw a rock and it doesn't fall? I have two reactions. First, I'm going to check for hidden strings or any signs it's a trick. If not that, then the obvious question is, "Why are you doing that, Lord?"
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That's good. First, we need to understand is that what we regard as "laws of nature" are not fixed and determinate. What man generally regards as “laws of nature” exist not as laws but rather as a set of determined relations that allow man to function within the confines of the natural world. It is a mistake to think that man can come to an accurate understanding of the universe on his own terms through a rational observation of his experiences within it.

Rationality depends upon the consistency of observable regularities. When I throw a rock into the air I know it will inevitably come down because it always has. It has never just stopped in mid-air. Any expectation that these “laws” can be overturned is generally regarded as irrational and not to be given serious consideration. Yet, scripture is replete with examples of the “irrational.” It is not rational to believe that three men can be thrown into a furnace of fire for an extended period and emerge unharmed and with not even so much as the smell of smoke on them, Daniel 3:24-27. It is patently absurd to believe that the earth can suddenly and instantaneously cease its rotational pattern for several hours without dramatically disturbing gravitational forces, Joshua 10:12-14. There is nothing in our experience within the field of human biology to suggest that a virgin can conceive a child or that someone who had been dead and entombed for four days can be raised simply by verbal command to rejoin the living. All of these examples are certainly inconsistent with our experience in observable regularities.
 
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Sorry, this brain isn't getting the difference.

Is my keyboard a real keyboard or the representation of a keyboard?
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LOL. Yes, your key board is just as real as you are but the only access you have to is thought representation. You can see it, touch it, hear it when you tap the keys.
 
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I started reading a book a while ago (didn't have time to finish it), which suggested
that as we have 5 physical senses, we also have spiritual senses.

For example John on Patmos tasted the scroll and it was like honey.
Stephens eyes were open as he was being stoned and he saw heaven and so on.
Balems Ass, his eyes were open and he saw the angel.
We hear God's voice but rarely with audible sound, although Saul did


In other words we feel spiritual things but not with physical senses.
 
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Ummm, nope. Because first you have to prove the Donald is always right. :p
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Well in that case please give me an example of something the hard left has said/ predicted about trump that has turned out to be true?

In Him,
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Also as far as physical senses go, we are limited.

A dogs sense of smell is keener
An eagles eyesight is sharper
Fish, spiders can sense vibrations
Other animals can see different light spectrums that we can't.

Cant wait until the veil is lifted as now we only know and see in part.
 
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oldhermit said:
Perhaps I am not being clear about what I am looking for. What I want to know is can you explain the relationship between the universe as actuality and the representative form of the universe in the consciousness? Can we know the truth about our world by our experiences within it?
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You are very clear, I have no idea why some people respond in such a weird way.

I think that our senses are enough to deal with the universe we live in. And where they are not, our bran is sufficient to give us ways to deal with it too. Like we can construct a telescop or a microscop.
 
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oldhermit said:
What does does scripture tell us about the reliability of so called "laws of nature?"
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Well, we already know the Lord has power over the "laws of nature." I think I mentioned that in my earlier post.
 
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Well in that case please give me an example of something the hard left has said/ predicted about trump that has turned out to be true?

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bluto
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Come on depleted, give me an example where the left has proven donald trump to be wrong? Still waiting? Look, at every turn the left has been proven wrong. Was there colusion, no. Did the Russians interfer with the election of Hillary Clinton, no. If they did show me the evidence? So go ahead, it's your turn. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Paul says that those things that are seen are temporal, the un seen things are eternal.

The 5 senses we have can be manipulated as they are to communicate it's findings to the brain to reason a answer.
.We are asked to trust in the Lord with all our heart and lean not to our own understanding.

The five senses are good for survival but not to be trusted as a absolute.
 
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Come on depleted, give me an example where the left has proven donald trump to be wrong? Still waiting? Look, at every turn the left has been proven wrong. Was there colusion, no. Did the Russians interfer with the election of Hillary Clinton, no. If they did show me the evidence? So go ahead, it's your turn. :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
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Come on depleted, where is your evidence? I'm still waiting? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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bluto said:
Well in that case please give me an example of something the hard left has said/ predicted about trump that has turned out to be true?

In Him,
bluto
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First, you said...
bluto said:
A good example (if you notice) is how God has proven Trump to be right on everything he does because God has caused everything to turn out wrong the liberals throw at him. The liberals mean it for bad and God turns it into good, that's reality. Does that make sense? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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My mind instantly remembered his Tweet where he pretty much told the UK they were stupid for letting in the immigrants. (They need a wall.) I'm still waiting for that shoe to drop. You just don't insult your best friend when he's just been kicked in the chops three times in a row. It cost all of us, I just don't know what it cost us yet.
 
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Excuse me for having a life. Yeesh!
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Whatever! Yea, he"s stupid for letting the shoe drop. Is that the best you've got? Give me something of substance? And is it trump's fault that teresa lost the election to a nut job? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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Can we depend on our senses to tell all the truth about reality?
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No. We live in a temporary situation... God's Word IS reality.

This is how I don't need medical science cause Jesus already took sickness / disease intended for me upon His Body so I would not have to have it... it's been PAID FOR so the devil putting that garbage on me would be double jeopardy and illegal so I refuse to accept it.

That's reality because God said so...
 
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First, you said...

My mind instantly remembered his Tweet where he pretty much told the UK they were stupid for letting in the immigrants. (They need a wall.) I'm still waiting for that shoe to drop. You just don't insult your best friend when he's just been kicked in the chops three times in a row. It cost all of us, I just don't know what it cost us yet.
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Sorry to digress the thread, just wanted to add as well that in the London attack,
1 was from Pakistan but brought up in UK
1 was Moroccan/Italian
1 claimed to be both Moroccan and Libyan
1 of them was carrying an ID card from the Republic of Ireland

London attack: What we know so far - BBC News


plus it seems that some of their terrorist influence was from a cleric who
lives in the US

Reports: Dearborn cleric radicalized London attacker


So the issue of immigrants is not straight forward at all, which countries do we
keep out exactly. Trump doesn't seem to understand the global situation, or
the influence of global social media.

I dont think we live in an age any more, where we can say keep people from
county A out and we will all be safe etc. It's a sad sign of the times. :(
 
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Rockrz said:
No. We live in a temporary situation... God's Word IS reality.

This is how I don't need medical science cause Jesus already took sickness / disease intended for me upon His Body so I would not have to have it... it's been PAID FOR so the devil putting that garbage on me would be double jeopardy and illegal so I refuse to accept it.

That's reality because God said so...
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Like to see how that works out for you when you get ill.
Hope you don't get anything serious, as refusal of that scientific medical treatment, could
kill you.

Even refusal of something as simple as antibiotics can lead to sepsis.
 
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