Real account of a sinner that stood directly before God...

[blue_ladybug]

If God never forsakes us then why is everything so dark? Where is He?

He's right there with us in that darkness. Just as He is right there with us in the light. Sin makes our lives dark. It is up to US to clear out that darkness so that we can clearly see Jesus again. BUT, if there is an area of sin that we refuse to give up doing, then until or unless we repent of it, we will forever walk in darkness..


Oh, and please pick ONE user name and stick to it. You're making us dizzy by using both nicks at the same time..

 

[LaurenTM]

that's how you see it... so surely you must be right.

that's not an actual response

that's an attempt at negating my post and trying to make it seem I think my opinion is more important than yours

actually, you are the one offering an opinion

most of us, see the constant attempt at putting the law ABOVE grace and call it what it is...for some reason, you seem to want to transfer, what appears to possibly be your own angst, onto the rest of us

God's grace is not some little known obscure doctrine hidden in the second to last verse in the book of Titus

in every recent thread enacted by the op of this thread, you go about whining that we are attacking him

why is that? his doctrine is patently false and rejects the actual doctrine of the grace of God and forgiveness through the blood of Jesus Christ ALONE

why Mike cannot even bring himself to say Jesus anymore he has become so convinced he is now Jewish

do you think the same? if you do, why don't you just come right out and say so, instead of trying to give the rest of us some sort of spanking with a reprimand that conveys your sympathy for false doctrine

 

[JGIG]

I agree with Mike on this one. The price of our sin has already been paid and we shouldn't worry about not being forgiven of our sin. In order to repent of our sin we need to turun away from the sin. I'll give an example using kids since I used to teach them haha. If a child were to steal a dollar out of your purse and you caught them and they said "I'm sorry, please forgive me" and all is forgiven. But two days later you find them in your purse again. Again they ask for forgiveness, but you can tell they aren't truly sorry. Do your forgive them? Yes, but that doesn't mean you trust them, but you keep a much closer eye on them. I know it's a crazy story, but it's the same idea you need to understand God forgives us no matter what, but we also need to understand that we need to reastablish the trust and relationship we have with our heavenly Father when we repeatedly sin

Riiiiiggghhhttt because God doesn't see that next sin coming, thinking . . . hoping that we've achieved perfection . . . .

We don't establish trust and relationship we have with our heavenly Father; He adopts us as His children, forgives all of our sins, and chooses to not only cast them as far as the East is from the West, but also does not hold them against us. On top of that, He fills us with His righteousness and His Life!

Grace is ridiculously weighted in our favor - I agree!

Which is why I, the more I understand this Amazing Grace that God has for us, walk in thankfulness and freedom from sin!

\o/​

-JGIG

 

[Grace777x70]

 

[mpaper345]

Grace is amazing!
Forgiveness is a divine gift!

God's advice for a sinner who stood directly in front of him:


Yeshua stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they?
Has no one condemned you?"
She said, "No one, Lord."
And Yeshua said, "Neither do I condemn you;
go, and from now on sin no more."
John 8:10-11 (ESV2011, MBM)

I understand what you are saying Mike.

The Bible says after we are saved that we still have the capacity to sin if we desire,but if we do sin we have an advocate with the Father,Jesus Christ the righteous,so once we want to give up that sin and not want it,and mean it,it can be forgiven.

So after we are saved we still have the choice to sin if we desire,which people that believe once saved always saved,are not exempt from that,for they can also sin if they desire,which some do sin as well as all denominations where some will sin.

Some people say that after we are saved that sin does not affect our relationship with God,which they say that because they believe in once saved always saved,so there cannot be a disconnect at any time with their walk with God,to not be right with Him,and they will always remain right in God's eyes,because they confess Christ,and if sin affected their relationship with God,then there would be a disconnect from God at that time,then how can once saved always saved be true if there is a point that they are not right with God by sin,it would mean responsibility would be put on them,in which they might fail at obtaining salvation.

But I will put it another way.

1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Paul said that without love he is nothing,and love is the fulfilling of the law,so will they say that lack of love affects our relationship with God,for it would seem like they would agree that we have to have love,and a lack of it would cause us to not be right with God,or will they say they will never have a lack of love.

1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth.

But love does not think an evil thought,let alone do the act,so for a person to truly have love would mean they would not sin,for every time they sin,or think an evil thought,then it is not love,and then they are nothing until they repent of that sin not wanting it anymore,and mean it,so would they say if they do not love it does not affect their relationship with God.

Every time a person sins,or holds unto sin not wanting to give it up,they are not living perfectly in love,but will they say if we do not love it does not affect our relationship with God,like sin does not affect our relationship with God.

Could they be so bold,as to cut out love saying it does not affect our relationship with God,for sin is a lack of love,and would make a person nothing.Will they use grace to cut out everything of value,and importance,and things God loves us to do,to say that they do not affect our relationship with God.

Could they,would they,would they be that bold,for them to say sin does not affect our relationship with God,then they would have to say a lack of love does not affect our relationship with God.

It is strange how we cannot have a relationship with Christ when we first come to Christ,unless we repent of our sins not wanting to sin anymore,and mean it,and then after they are saved sin does not affect their relationship with God,something they had to give up before they could even have a relationship with Jesus in the first place,and the Bible says that those that name the name of Christ must depart from sin,so all the while they confess Christ they have to depart from sin.

Since those that name the name of Christ must depart from sin,then sin affects our relationship with God,and sin is a lack of love,which would affect a persons relationship with God,and a person would be nothing,which salvation would not apply if they hold unto a sin and not give it up,and a lack of love.

All sin can be forgiven,but when a person sins,it is a lack of love,and a disconnect from God,until that sin is out of their life,but they do not like that believing that there is no way possible to have a disconnect from God at any time,but grace does not apply when someone lives in sin,sin they would not give up,which worldliness is a big one,for why would God give grace to those that live in sin when they had to give up sin to have a relationship with Jesus in the first place,and to keep that relationship they have to continue to deny sin,but I have seen many live in sin thinking nothing is amiss that believe once saved always saved.

 

[Yonah]

that's not an actual response

that's an attempt at negating my post and trying to make it seem I think my opinion is more important than yours

actually, you are the one offering an opinion

most of us, see the constant attempt at putting the law ABOVE grace and call it what it is...for some reason, you seem to want to transfer, what appears to possibly be your own angst, onto the rest of us

God's grace is not some little known obscure doctrine hidden in the second to last verse in the book of Titus

in every recent thread enacted by the op of this thread, you go about whining that we are attacking him

why is that? his doctrine is patently false and rejects the actual doctrine of the grace of God and forgiveness through the blood of Jesus Christ ALONE

why Mike cannot even bring himself to say Jesus anymore he has become so convinced he is now Jewish

do you think the same? if you do, why don't you just come right out and say so, instead of trying to give the rest of us some sort of spanking with a reprimand that conveys your sympathy for false doctrine

thanks for the analysis, amazing what people can glean from a non response, you have no clue what or how I believe so kindly keep you opinions of what you think you know about me to yourself.

 

[Gr8grace]

thanks for the analysis, amazing what people can glean from a non response, you have no clue what or how I believe so kindly keep you opinions of what you think you know about me to yourself.

Why don't you just step up to the plate and be clear? Isn't the point of having the truth to make it as clear as possible to all?

Most don't agree with what I believe, but at least they know what I am saying.

 

[LaurenTM]

thanks for the analysis, amazing what people can glean from a non response, you have no clue what or how I believe so kindly keep you opinions of what you think you know about me to yourself.

I think you have missed where I asked you what you believe...how is that telling you what you believe?

check out the last 2 sentences...that, is referred to as a question. you can usually tell that, by the question mark at the end of the sentence

misinterpret much?

I actually do have clues about what you and everyone else on this forum believes and vice versa

I think you need to get a better grip on what forums are all about

 

[Yonah]

Why don't you just step up to the plate and be clear? Isn't the point of having the truth to make it as clear as possible to all?

Most don't agree with what I believe, but at least they know what I am saying.

dust and pearls

 

[pottersclay]

[FONT=&quot]Romans 3:23 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Once again they tempted Jesus, saying this women was caught in the very act, Jesus pointing out the fact of Romans 3:23 shows that God does not esteem one sin worse than the other. Whether your caught in the act, secret sin, what ever the case.
Go and sin no more imo he was talking about that particular sin, not that he condones any sin but telling her to stop her practice of adultery.


[/FONT]

 

[Zmouth]

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
John 8

So where was the other party to the adultery?

If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
Deuteronomy 22:22

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 20:10

*If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
* Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
Deuteronomy 22:23-24

​

This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
John 8:6

Deuteronomy 9:10

​

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
John 8:7

And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore,
she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
Leviticus 21:9​

And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
John 8:9

Deuteronomy 25:2

When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
John 8:10

Isaiah 53:5
1 Peter 2:24

 

[believeume]

Grace is amazing!
Forgiveness is a divine gift!

God's advice for a sinner who stood directly in front of him:


Yeshua stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they?
Has no one condemned you?"
She said, "No one, Lord."
And Yeshua said, "Neither do I condemn you;
go, and from now on sin no more."
John 8:10-11 (ESV2011, MBM)

Why does he say sin no more? Who can " sin no more"? maybe he means "Don't commit adultery no more"

 

[blessedjohn80]

Why does he say sin no more? Who can " sin no more"? maybe he means "Don't commit adultery no more"

I believe he means exactly as it is, "sin no more". To live righteously avoiding sin as mush as she can. I believe all of us here practice that but with a different goal and mindset all according to their own understanding of Jesus.

 

[John146]

Grace is amazing!
Forgiveness is a divine gift!

God's advice for a sinner who stood directly in front of him:


Yeshua stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they?
Has no one condemned you?"
She said, "No one, Lord."
And Yeshua said, "Neither do I condemn you;
go, and from now on sin no more."
John 8:10-11 (ESV2011, MBM)

John 3:17, For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[John146]

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
John 8

So where was the other party to the adultery?

If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
Deuteronomy 22:22

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 20:10

*If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
* Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
Deuteronomy 22:23-24

​

This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
John 8:6

Deuteronomy 9:10

​

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
John 8:7

And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore,
she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
Leviticus 21:9​

And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
John 8:9

Deuteronomy 25:2

When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
John 8:10

Isaiah 53:5
1 Peter 2:24

Probably one of those who had a rock in his hand.

 

[Zmouth]

Probably one of those who had a rock in his hand.

LOL, you're a funny Woman.

Deut 32:20

 

[garee]

Grace is amazing!
Forgiveness is a divine gift!

God's advice for a sinner who stood directly in front of him:


Yeshua stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they?
Has no one condemned you?"
She said, "No one, Lord."
And Yeshua said, "Neither do I condemn you;
go, and from now on sin no more."
John 8:10-11 (ESV2011, MBM)

The key to understanding that portion of scripture ifs found in the writing in the sand or dust. He performed that twice in order to make one point as to the spiritual meaning of that parable which was hid from natural man .

Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

Joh 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

 

[BeyondET]

Grace is amazing!
Forgiveness is a divine gift!

God's advice for a sinner who stood directly in front of him:

Real account pretty much gave it away

 

[FreeNChrist]

The key to understanding that portion of scripture ifs found in the writing in the sand or dust. He performed that twice in order to make one point as to the spiritual meaning of that parable which was hid from natural man .

Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

Joh 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

I believe the key is that when asked by Jesus who among them was without sin, they all dropped their stones and left.....beginning with the oldest.

 

[eph610]

The key to understanding that portion of scripture ifs found in the writing in the sand or dust. He performed that twice in order to make one point as to the spiritual meaning of that parable which was hid from natural man .

Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

Joh 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

Not sure I follow what you are saying here at all, could you clarify please?

By writing in the dust, Jesus was fulfilling the prophecy found in Jeremiah 17.1-18, which talks about what happens to those who have a deceitful heart against God to destroy him or his nature...The Key verse here is Jeremiah 17.13

Scripture will always interpret scripture and it is the glory of God to conceal a matter,but the glory of kings is to search out a matter.