Real account of a sinner that stood directly before God...

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eternally-gratefull

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believeume said:
Why does he say sin no more? Who can " sin no more"? maybe he means "Don't commit adultery no more"
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blessedjohn80 said:
I believe he means exactly as it is, "sin no more". To live righteously avoiding sin as mush as she can. I believe all of us here practice that but with a different goal and mindset all according to their own understanding of Jesus.
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I believe he did as any parent would do. If your kid sticks his hand on a hot pan and gets burnt, Your parent heals it, then sends him away, saying do not do this again.

What is amazing is what Jesus did not say,,

He did not say, Don;t do it again, Or I will stone you, or I will condemn you. He just said, Don't do it again.
 
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Rightly dividing the word in this story shows us that the woman was likely not guilty of Adultery at all.

The key to understanding this story begins in John 8.6

[SUP]6 [/SUP]They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground.

This means the scribes and pharisees were going to do anything to trap Jesus and put him to death for cause....This is really the main motivation in the story.

The Bible does not state they caught a harlot in the very act of Adultery it says they caught a woman . The Boible does not say if she was single or married, it just states a WOMAN was brought before Jesus. Distorted communicated Bible knowledge or wrongful pastor and teacher assumption tells us the woman was a harlot, but the Bible does not say that...this is important for what I say below

If you look at Leviticus 20.10 it says: [SUP]10 [/SUP]‘If there is a man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, one who commits adultery with his friend’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


That is only part of the Law regarding Women in Adultery. I am not going to put all the verses, but we must also look at Numbers 5.11-31 which is a test for Adultery the Priests had to follow.

The woman brought before Jesus did not have have the man that she had sex with, neither was the Adultery test given to her, both were needed to fulfill the law.

When Jesus was writing in the ground he was was fulfilling the prophecy found in Jeremiah 17.1-18, and especially Vs 13. This passage has to do with those who have deceitful heart and trying to test or catch the Lord doing something wrong.

When Jesus said yeah if you guys have no sin, go ahead an start throwing rocks.....they dropped them, because he wrote them into the earth as Jer 17.13 says he would, because of their deceitful hearts. IOW Jesus busted them on their primary motivation.

The pharisees and scribes sole motivation in this story was to trap Jesus and they would go to any length to do it. The real lessons learned here are:
Organized religion will go to any length to destroy the testimony of Jesus.
Organized religion will go to any length to destroy innocent lives[the Woman] in their pursuit to discredit the testimony of Jesus.
We see the manifold graces of Jesus towards the woman and the scribes and pharisees,and we must also flow in those graces.
We see that once Jesus meets us at our level we get our choice back regarding SIN

I have personal opinions on this, and that is what I offer here. Again these are opinions only.
I am not settled on the fact the woman was a harlot and truly engaged in adultery.

I believe it was likely she was raped by the younger pharisee /s and was only a pawn in a plot to trap Jesus and have him killed. Because of this she was under serious condemnation and guilt , because she knew what the scribes and pharisees were doing and how they were using her.

I believe that when Jesus did not condemn her and said go an sin no more, he was releasing her from the condemnation and guilt of being used in the plot and made sure she understood that she just got her choice back regarding SIN.

I do not agree with those attempting to make this women an harlot and was Mary Magdalene, etc, those are opinions and not found in scripture..

The Bible says they brought a WOMAN, not a HARLOT, that is so very important in this story.
 
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Many interesting comments coming in.

Lots of people say that they have the "key" to what is really being taught. (accompanied by several paragraphs of splainin')

Only so many ways we can interpret, "Go and sin no more".

keep posting. I am reading.
 
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you dah hostess there Mikie?


 
Grace777x70

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Grace is amazing!
Forgiveness is a divine gift!

God's advice for a sinner who stood directly in front of him:


Yeshua stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they?
Has no one condemned you?"
She said, "No one, Lord."
And Yeshua said, "Neither do I condemn you;
go, and from now on sin no more."
John 8:10-11 (ESV2011, MBM)
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God's advice is still the same to the ones that think they are keeping the law of Moses and not relying on Christ's free gift of grace and forgiveness. Go and sin no more.

These are no different than the woman caught in adultery - just a manifestation of a different kind of sinning. It is called "unbelief" and self-righteousness.

Christ doesn't condemn the self-righteous that think they are righteous because they "do the Law" as all Pharisees and scribes thought they were righteous - they end up condemning themselves because they don't trust in Christ's work of grace for them but instead they trust in their "law-keeping".

This is denying the Lord and our Master - Christ Jesus Himself and relying on an old obsolete system.

Did you notice how our loving Lord Jesus defended this woman from those that wanted to "obey the law of Moses" and stone her?

 
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disciplemike said:
Grace is amazing!
Forgiveness is a divine gift!

God's advice for a sinner who stood directly in front of him:


Yeshua stood up and said to her, "Woman, where are they?
Has no one condemned you?"
She said, "No one, Lord."
And Yeshua said, "Neither do I condemn you;
go, and from now on sin no more."
John 8:10-11 (ESV2011, MBM)
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There. I fixed it for you.
 
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Again, there's nothing wrong with SINNING NO MORE. But instead of sweating for it, let Jesus do the work in your heart, and just accept the gift of NO CONDEMNATION.
 
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eph610 said:
The Bible does not state they caught a harlot in the very act of Adultery it says they caught a woman . The Boible does not say if she was single or married, it just states a WOMAN was brought before Jesus.
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In my Bible it definitely says "Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery."

I do agree that it was definitely a trap, and Jesus saw through it. I agree that by Law they should've brought the man as well and because they didn't they already knew they were guilty of sin.

Also, I thought that the ground that Jesus wrote on may have been a stone ground. Jesus writing on the ground twice, symbolized the two stone tablets of the Law.
 
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blessedjohn80 said:
In my Bible it definitely says "Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery."

I do agree that it was definitely a trap, and Jesus saw through it. I agree that by Law they should've brought the man as well and because they didn't they already knew they were guilty of sin.

Also, I thought that the ground that Jesus wrote on may have been a stone ground. Jesus writing on the ground twice, symbolized the two stone tablets of the Law.
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Thanks for the thoughts, good stuff...
You ae saying what I said, a woman caught in adultery....does the Bible say she was a harlot? If not why do so many young and old preachers preach she was a harlot...the Bible never says that and to suggest it, by reason she was committing adultery is not the truth...
 
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blessedjohn80 said:
I believe he means exactly as it is, "sin no more". To live righteously avoiding sin as mush as she can. I believe all of us here practice that but with a different goal and mindset all according to their own understanding of Jesus.
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Then why didn't say that.
 
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There. I fixed it for you.
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Love it! Tried to rep but can't :(

Amazing how people focus on the wrong words, while if they focused on the right ones, we would not be discussing this.
 
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Simply put, somebody who is unaware of their sin is forgiven, so wisely, he chose not to make her guilty, tell her not to sin, and end it here.
 
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Jesus stood with this woman.
He forgave her sin.
His condition was to sin no more.

Now Mary who washed His feet was in a similar place if not this woman herself.

The whole issue was Jesus must have been God to be able to forgive sin.
So one assumes this woman then followed Jesus, for where else could she go.

To extrapolate this story into if she sinned Jesus would forgive this as well, is
just conjecture. She should have died, and Jesus spared her, so she owed her
life to him.

Now someone in her situation, she does not have much to give up, because it is
already lost because of her position. If you were her and met Jesus, would you
not follow such a teacher? I would.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
God's advice is still the same to the ones that think they are keeping the law of Moses and not relying on Christ's free gift of grace and forgiveness. Go and sin no more.

These are no different than the woman caught in adultery - just a manifestation of a different kind of sinning. It is called "unbelief" and self-righteousness.

Christ doesn't condemn the self-righteous that think they are righteous because they "do the Law" as all Pharisees and scribes thought they were righteous - they end up condemning themselves because they don't trust in Christ's work of grace for them but instead they trust in their "law-keeping".

This is denying the Lord and our Master - Christ Jesus Himself and relying on an old obsolete system.

Did you notice how our loving Lord Jesus defended this woman from those that wanted to "obey the law of Moses" and stone her?
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Actually there are two points id like to bring out here: the first is this: the "law" the Pharisees walked in blameless by their own estimation were NOT the laws written in scripture but rather were ones they themselves had added to what was written, too many fail to make this distinction.
the second point is this: the one who were about to stone this women were not following the law themselves.... Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


see anyone missing in that account?
 
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Yonah said:
Actually there are two points id like to bring out here: the first is this: the "law" the Pharisees walked in blameless by their own estimation were NOT the laws written in scripture but rather were ones they themselves had added to what was written, too many fail to make this distinction.
the second point is this: the one who were about to stone this women were not following the law themselves.... Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


see anyone missing in that account?
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nor did the give they administer the test of Adultery found in Numbers 5.11-31
 
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Grace777x70 said:
God's advice is still the same to the ones that think they are keeping the law of Moses and not relying on Christ's free gift of grace and forgiveness. Go and sin no more.

These are no different than the woman caught in adultery - just a manifestation of a different kind of sinning. It is called "unbelief" and self-righteousness.

Christ doesn't condemn the self-righteous that think they are righteous because they "do the Law" as all Pharisees and scribes thought they were righteous - they end up condemning themselves because they don't trust in Christ's work of grace for them but instead they trust in their "law-keeping".

This is denying the Lord and our Master - Christ Jesus Himself and relying on an old obsolete system.

Did you notice how our loving Lord Jesus defended this woman from those that wanted to "obey the law of Moses" and stone her?
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Well I think he has a good point and would also say the woman's sin was secondary to them trying to trip Jesus up in my opinion.
 
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Yonah said:
Actually there are two points id like to bring out here: the first is this: the "law" the Pharisees walked in blameless by their own estimation were NOT the laws written in scripture but rather were ones they themselves had added to what was written, too many fail to make this distinction.
the second point is this: the one who were about to stone this women were not following the law themselves.... Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.


see anyone missing in that account?
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I can see two points that I would like to bring out.

1) Jesus Himself gave the law of Moses about adultery in Matt. 5:26-27 . Ex. 20:14 and Deut. 5:18. I'm pretty sure adultery is still adultery. Have you ever noticed that Jesus "elevated the Law of Moses" to reflect what the purpose of the law of Moses was really there for?

Matthew 5:27-28 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY';

[SUP]28 [/SUP] but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

2nd point I would like to bring out: Have you ever noticed that those that advocate we go back to the Law of Moses for life and living after coming to Christ - never actually do the whole Law themselves? - they just pick the bits and pieces that they think are "do-able" to them. James says that if we break one law - we are guilty of it all.

I wonder why those that are in Christ - are dead to the law, have been released from the Law of Moses, and are NOT under the Law of Moses - and yet some well-intentioned people ( I am assuming and hoping that it is true ) still try to get us to desert Christ ( Gal. 1:6 ) for going back to the law of Moses just like Paul had to confront in the book of Galatians.

...can anyone see what is missing in this account?
 
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Well I think he has a good point and would also say the woman's sin was secondary to them trying to trip Jesus up in my opinion.
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I agree...they were definitely trying to get Him to go against the law of Moses so that they could accuse Him. He still gave out grace in the midst of this attempt. The law of Moses always demands - grace through our Lord Jesus Christ always supplies what the Law of Moses demands.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
I agree...they were definitely trying to get Him to go against the law of Moses so that they could accuse Him. He still gave out grace in the midst of this attempt. The law of Moses always demands - grace through our Lord Jesus Christ always supplies what the Law of Moses demands.
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I absolutely agree 100%.
 
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