REFORMED?

[PeterJens]

Strangely to this forum I am reformed more than armenian.

I do not believe you persuade people into the Kingdom, the seed is planted and in good soil
bears fruit.

Some get confused about the definitions because from what I understand Calvin did not make
them, but they were created to refute armenian positions.

I also have a problem with Calvin as a believer who had people executed for their doctrinal
positions, which Luther equally was brutal about, and anti-semetic.

So though these reformers where focus points of great change 25% of Europe died in the
wars and conflict that erupted. This was a terrible time, with much evil and things completely
alien to the gospel and Christ.

And of the groups I know who are most structured and uptight, it is the reformed who are
most like this, which is partly why the Charismatic movement has largely been in Armenian
circles. So mixing this with WOF, prosperity gospel, is a strange mixture of traditions.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

If a person says they are "Reformed", do they not claim to follow the dictates Calvin stated? And if that is so, is it not very easy to look up what Calvin said..... and thereby know what those people claim to believe?

that sounds like one of those deep math equations

you know

1 + 1 = 2

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Good point, I don't think they do follow what John Calvin dictated, example of that is in the title itself.

John Calvin was deeply offended of these statements of him and his doctrine, he was angry at the saying of Calvinism/Calvinist. these words were spoken by the people who apposed his theory, John Calvin was highly against these sayings.
If he was alive today people who say these words, he would probably have sent them to the gallows in Geneva as well.

'off with his head'

oh wait

that's something the Queen of Hearts said.....

 

[joefizz]

'off with his head'

oh wait

that's something the Queen of Hearts said.....

she was rather fond of men who were "cards" as well!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

she was rather fond of men who were "cards" as well!

LOL!

I felt sorry for the flamingos....

 

[joefizz]

LOL!

I felt sorry for the flamingos....

The cat evened the odds lol!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The cat evened the odds lol!

they do seem to have a mind of their own

 

[Magenta]

that sounds like one of those deep math equations

you know

1 + 1 = 2

Or 1 + 1 + 1 = 1

 

[IamWhoIam]

'off with his head'

oh wait

that's something the Queen of Hearts said.....

Hahaha, for a sec there I thought of juice Newton, lol

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Hahaha, for a sec there I thought of juice Newton, lol

had to look up who that was

you would think I would know who a grammy award winning singer is

but I don't listen to country

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Or 1 + 1 + 1 = 1

are you talking about

In mathematics, the Fibonacci numbers are the numbers in the following integer sequence, called the Fibonacci sequence, and characterized by the fact that every number after the first two is the sum of the two preceding ones

cause I had to look this up too

ask me all kinds of things but I go numb with math

 

[IamWhoIam]

had to look up who that was

you would think I would know who a grammy award winning singer is

but I don't listen to country

oddly enough the song queen of hearts use to be played on noncountry stations in the late 90's it really doesn't sound like country music, well at least what I deem as country music, lol

 

[posthuman]

((senses math being discussed))

Or 1 + 1 + 1 = 1

who says it's supposed to be + ?

1*1*1 = 1 is obvious in the algebra we are all familiar with, and to our normal cartesian way of thinking.

but "+" needs to be defined for any space, and so does "="
we are used to using them in a certain way, in a certain numerical context ((i.e. space, to an algebraist)) but it's only one of infinitely many.
still, 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 is valid in contexts that many people are familiar with, for example vectors

<1, 0, 0> + <0, 1, 0> + <0, 0, 1> = <1, 1, 1>

and <1, 1, 1> has measure ||<1, 1, 1>|| = 1 using the L[SUP]∞[/SUP]- norm,

or volume = 1 if you want to think of it in that way.

we use 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 when we're talking about how many jelly beans we have, if we start with 1 and add a few. but when we're discussing the nature of God and how He has revealed Himself to man, hey y'all, we ain't hardly talking about jelly beans, are we??!!

 

[posthuman]

are you talking about

In mathematics, the Fibonacci numbers are the numbers in the following integer sequence, called the Fibonacci sequence, and characterized by the fact that every number after the first two is the sum of the two preceding ones

cause I had to look this up too

ask me all kinds of things but I go numb with math

eh, no, the Fibonacci sequence is {0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8 . . .}
sometimes it's defined as starting with 1 instead of 0. but i like 0.

though it does have a lot of relevance to natural geometry in the physical world.

 

[Magenta]

((senses math being discussed))



who says it's supposed to be + ?

1*1*1 = 1 is obvious in the algebra we are all familiar with, and to our normal cartesian way of thinking.

but "+" needs to be defined for any space, and so does "="
we are used to using them in a certain way, in a certain numerical context ((i.e. space, to an algebraist)) but it's only one of infinitely many.
still, 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 is valid in contexts that many people are familiar with, for example vectors

<1, 0, 0> + <0, 1, 0> + <0, 0, 1> = <1, 1, 1>

and <1, 1, 1> has measure ||<1, 1, 1>|| = 1 using the L[SUP]∞[/SUP]- norm,

or volume = 1 if you want to think of it in that way.

we use 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 when we're talking about how many jelly beans we have, if we start with 1 and add a few. but when we're discussing the nature of God and how He has revealed Himself to man, hey y'all, we ain't hardly talking about jelly beans, are we??!!

Whaddya mean, jelly bean?

 

[Magenta]

oddly enough the song queen of hearts use to be played on noncountry stations in the late 90's it really doesn't sound like country music, well at least what I deem as country music, lol

Juice had some great crossover songs. She did a cover of Angel of the Morning, also

This is one of my faves of hers:

[video=youtube;6dvPJZnSCq8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dvPJZnSCq8[/video]

 

[7seasrekeyed]

eh, no, the Fibonacci sequence is {0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8 . . .}
sometimes it's defined as starting with 1 instead of 0. but i like 0.

though it does have a lot of relevance to natural geometry in the physical world.

phew

I can sleep tonight

haha...I think I got that now

but not the 0 part..unless 0 is not number here? opens eyes wider while looking hopeful...starts to mumble a bit and walks backwards while shaking head, possibly no....

 

[Laish]

If a person says they are "Reformed", do they not claim to follow the dictates Calvin stated? And if that is so, is it not very easy to look up what Calvin said..... and thereby know what those people claim to believe?

I would not state it was something Calvin started . If you read through what he wrote he quotes and references early church fathers so often ,if he had not referenced them you could accuse him of plagiarism.
Blessings
Bill

 

[Laish]

Exactly! All "REFORMED" seems to really mean is that it is part of the name on the sign out in front of the building.

Different churches, entirely different meanings of that word.

Not really . I say Reformed as to show folks where I am coming from. The word dose not define me it only points to my general theological beliefs. It has nothing to do with a sign on a building. In fact quite often My congregational brothers and sisters study the word in a building with a sign out front saying " over a billion served "
Blessings
Bill

 

[Laish]

Bill,

'The world' means six different things in different contexts. The whole world refers IMO to planet Earth.

Surely you believe that the Jewish people are and were residents of planet Earth.

No Israel was a part of the world that were to keep themselves separate from the world . Much of God's laws showed this . They were to be a distinct people in a world ( people) corrupted by sin . Israel now looking for a savior ( The Messiah ) understood that they Israel were going to be saved . John points out not only us (Israel)but the world ( all nations or peoples) .
I understand it as a general statement not a particular one .
Blessings
Bill