Reg Kelly: Can I Eat Pig and Go To Heaven?
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Listened to some of it. Just another false teacher that does not want to have to do anything in order to receive Heaven.
He says "the law does not save" - DUH!
The law of Moses was taken away and replaced by the NT. Col 2:14.
Ask him, what if one born under the law of Moses, did not abide by that law, was he still saved by the blood of Christ, that was shed in his future?
Then he says, "if you think going to church will save you, you are crazy and dont know the truth". Well does church save us? No, not if we go to church yet do not abide by the NT laws that we do have - Jn 14:15, 15:14, Heb 5:8-9, 10:25-f., II Thess 4:1-5, Gal 6:2, James 1:25.
Look at what the Hebrew's writer says concerning those forsaking the assembling of themselves and not going -
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
It is sin, to forsake the assembling of Christians upon the first day of the week, and any other day they decide to meet for the glorification of God, and edification of the church. How do we know it's sinful? - The next verse tells us. So would this keep us from Heaven? Keep reading:
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
This is written to Christians, not unbelievers, but those who are members of the church, that is why they are bound to assembling on the first day of the week. This is not written to those still under the Law of Moses as some teach. Because "they received the knowledge of the truth", in which after words if we SIN WILLFULLY, the sacrifice does NOT remain. What Sacrifice, the blood of Christ that was shed for our sins, because we refuse to repent, showing we are sinning willfully and turning our back on God.
NOw keep reading as he makes a contrast with those who died under the law of MOses, with those who turn to sin, under the law of Christ: Here is what does remain:
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
THe Contrast:
28 He that despised Moses 'law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
The warning TO CHRISTIANS:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace
By doing the, we have done "despite" unto the Spirit of grace. The word Despite means to insult in the Greek.
We insult grace by living in accordance with sin.
Just as Paul said, "we receive the grace of God in VAIN" - II Cor 6:1.
So he says, we cannot be saved by trying to be good. If by being good he means obeying God's commands under the NT, then yes we do. We are saved by the grace of God, not by works, Eph 2. Meaning we are not deserving of God's grace. NO one did some work that deserved God's grace, yet one who says we do have to do any works, as in obeying God, IS A FALSE TEACHER.
OBEDIENCE IS OUR DUTY AS CHRISTIANS - LUKE 17:10
JESUS HAD TO OBEY, AND THE SERVANT IS NOT GREATER THAN HIS MASTER, HE DID, SO LIKE WISE HE WILL SAVE THOSE WHO OBEY HIM, BECAUASE THAT IS HOW WE SHOW WE LOVE HIM - JN 14:15
HEB 5:8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation
SO MANY HERE HATE THIS MESSAGE, YET IT IS TAKING THE BIBLE AT FACE VALUE, AND NOT HAVING TO REDEFINE ANYTHING THE SCRIPTURE SAYS.
THAT GUY IS A FALSE TEACHER I WOULD NOT LISTEN TO HIM IF HE WERE THE LAST PREACHER ON EARTH, AND IF HE CANT GET THIS RIGHT, I WOULD NOT LISTEN TO ONE WORD HE HAS TO SAY CONCERNING ANYTHING ELSE.
He says "the law does not save" - DUH!
The law of Moses was taken away and replaced by the NT. Col 2:14.
Ask him, what if one born under the law of Moses, did not abide by that law, was he still saved by the blood of Christ, that was shed in his future?
Then he says, "if you think going to church will save you, you are crazy and dont know the truth". Well does church save us? No, not if we go to church yet do not abide by the NT laws that we do have - Jn 14:15, 15:14, Heb 5:8-9, 10:25-f., II Thess 4:1-5, Gal 6:2, James 1:25.
Look at what the Hebrew's writer says concerning those forsaking the assembling of themselves and not going -
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.It is sin, to forsake the assembling of Christians upon the first day of the week, and any other day they decide to meet for the glorification of God, and edification of the church. How do we know it's sinful? - The next verse tells us. So would this keep us from Heaven? Keep reading:
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
This is written to Christians, not unbelievers, but those who are members of the church, that is why they are bound to assembling on the first day of the week. This is not written to those still under the Law of Moses as some teach. Because "they received the knowledge of the truth", in which after words if we SIN WILLFULLY, the sacrifice does NOT remain. What Sacrifice, the blood of Christ that was shed for our sins, because we refuse to repent, showing we are sinning willfully and turning our back on God.
NOw keep reading as he makes a contrast with those who died under the law of MOses, with those who turn to sin, under the law of Christ: Here is what does remain:
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
THe Contrast:
28 He that despised Moses 'law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
The warning TO CHRISTIANS:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace
By doing the, we have done "despite" unto the Spirit of grace. The word Despite means to insult in the Greek.
We insult grace by living in accordance with sin.
Just as Paul said, "we receive the grace of God in VAIN" - II Cor 6:1.
So he says, we cannot be saved by trying to be good. If by being good he means obeying God's commands under the NT, then yes we do. We are saved by the grace of God, not by works, Eph 2. Meaning we are not deserving of God's grace. NO one did some work that deserved God's grace, yet one who says we do have to do any works, as in obeying God, IS A FALSE TEACHER.
OBEDIENCE IS OUR DUTY AS CHRISTIANS - LUKE 17:10
JESUS HAD TO OBEY, AND THE SERVANT IS NOT GREATER THAN HIS MASTER, HE DID, SO LIKE WISE HE WILL SAVE THOSE WHO OBEY HIM, BECAUASE THAT IS HOW WE SHOW WE LOVE HIM - JN 14:15
HEB 5:8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation
SO MANY HERE HATE THIS MESSAGE, YET IT IS TAKING THE BIBLE AT FACE VALUE, AND NOT HAVING TO REDEFINE ANYTHING THE SCRIPTURE SAYS.
THAT GUY IS A FALSE TEACHER I WOULD NOT LISTEN TO HIM IF HE WERE THE LAST PREACHER ON EARTH, AND IF HE CANT GET THIS RIGHT, I WOULD NOT LISTEN TO ONE WORD HE HAS TO SAY CONCERNING ANYTHING ELSE.
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why are you asking people?
You already know the answer, Gods word makes it plain. Men and women who love sin more than God, may give all sorts of reasons why it is OK to do what God says not to do. or ok to not do what God says to do.
But in the end you either love God enough to obey Him or believe a lie because you prefer the fleeting joy of sin rather than prizing the eternal glory of heaven.
You already know the answer, Gods word makes it plain. Men and women who love sin more than God, may give all sorts of reasons why it is OK to do what God says not to do. or ok to not do what God says to do.
But in the end you either love God enough to obey Him or believe a lie because you prefer the fleeting joy of sin rather than prizing the eternal glory of heaven.
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Maybe he is sincerely asking a question. And it must not be so plain to everyone if so many disagree with what it says.
Again, nowhere in the NT (which we are under) are we forbidden to eat any kind of meat.
In OT, yes they were forbidden from certain foods, because they were under a different law, than us, and had different ordinances for different reasons. There is always a reason though.
Yet the NT tells us:
Those who teach we should abstain from meat as a sign of Apostasy:
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving
Remeber the Law was a shadow of things to come. The laws against meats were typifying the rules against Gentiles, that would be done away with, as well as the rest of the Law.
This is the vison God gave Peter, when he sent him to preach salvation to the Gentiles:
Acts 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven
God used this as sign for Peter that he cleansed the Gentiles worthy of Salvation. Also shows us why certain foods were refrained from, it was symbolical.
And of Course the Lord made it clear when the Pharisees tried to persecute Christ and his disciples for not washing their hands:
Mrk 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him 19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? 20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man
The Nt does NOT forbid us from eating pork. We are at liberty to eat with thanksgiving.
Again, nowhere in the NT (which we are under) are we forbidden to eat any kind of meat.
In OT, yes they were forbidden from certain foods, because they were under a different law, than us, and had different ordinances for different reasons. There is always a reason though.
Yet the NT tells us:
Those who teach we should abstain from meat as a sign of Apostasy:
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving
Remeber the Law was a shadow of things to come. The laws against meats were typifying the rules against Gentiles, that would be done away with, as well as the rest of the Law.
This is the vison God gave Peter, when he sent him to preach salvation to the Gentiles:
Acts 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven
God used this as sign for Peter that he cleansed the Gentiles worthy of Salvation. Also shows us why certain foods were refrained from, it was symbolical.
And of Course the Lord made it clear when the Pharisees tried to persecute Christ and his disciples for not washing their hands:
Mrk 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him 19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? 20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man
The Nt does NOT forbid us from eating pork. We are at liberty to eat with thanksgiving.
At the time Paul (who brought Christ to the gentiles) was teaching, some Jews said that the only way we could be included in God’s Kingdom was to not eat pork like they did. That made Paul angry. All along God was teaching to be clean and stay away from evil by eating only foods from animals who didn't eat refuse, and to be different from pagans. That was the main thing, what the not eating pork was for. Whether they did or not eat it wasn’t the important thing, but being clean was. Certainly gentiles could be in the kingdom and still eat pork.
My personal decision is to not eat pork. It tells me I am set apart for God and that I try to be clean in my thought word and deed. That is my decision. You can eat pork, like Paul says, and God includes you in His kingdom.
When God was training a group of people called Jews, almost every person in the world thought they could make up their own God and that was wicked. God is God. God told Moses how to train the Jews. He trained them to be clean. God meant by that physically clean and also spiritually clean and one of the ways he taught them was to train them to not eat any animal that ate refuse for their food. In the NT it is expressed by “be you holy”. What we do physically has a spritual side, too. The Jews whole culture was very aware of this. We often don't relate the physical to the spiritual meaning.
The Jews were told both to stay away from people who would lead them away from a life with their God, and to include any people who loved Him. One of the ways He taught to not live like the people who didn’t love Him was to not eat with them.
My personal decision is to not eat pork. It tells me I am set apart for God and that I try to be clean in my thought word and deed. That is my decision. You can eat pork, like Paul says, and God includes you in His kingdom.
When God was training a group of people called Jews, almost every person in the world thought they could make up their own God and that was wicked. God is God. God told Moses how to train the Jews. He trained them to be clean. God meant by that physically clean and also spiritually clean and one of the ways he taught them was to train them to not eat any animal that ate refuse for their food. In the NT it is expressed by “be you holy”. What we do physically has a spritual side, too. The Jews whole culture was very aware of this. We often don't relate the physical to the spiritual meaning.
The Jews were told both to stay away from people who would lead them away from a life with their God, and to include any people who loved Him. One of the ways He taught to not live like the people who didn’t love Him was to not eat with them.
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This is a great post. thank you. Your personal choice not to eat pork is admirable, shows a dedication. I know that's not what your looking for in saying this, God get all the glory don't worry. But still I respect that and am glad you are not trying to bind that decision on anyone else, as the New Testament also does not. Again thanks for the post.
If Fedm3 is corect in his interpretation of scripture, then scripture is saying that God is not eternal, but what God says changes over time. God uses time to reveal His plan for our salvation, but God is eternal, without time. Christ and the Holy Spirit is God, the same always. God's principles do not change. When He gives one of his principles, like to be holy, it make no difference if it is expressed in the NT or the OT, it is eternal. When Christ died for our sins He fulfilled what was told about in the OT, and made it complete. There was this addition, not to cancel all God did before but to fulfill as Christ explained.
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Sorry Red, this in no way shows I implied God was not Eternal. In you last post I thought wow, A guy who has made a good desion, yet does not bind it on others. Then you post this ridiculous conclusion.
If my interpretation is correct, then God once forbade something that represented something else. Yet changed his law. This does not mean God changed, his covenant changed, just as the Hebrew's writer tells us.
Do you make a sin offering according to the Law, it holy as well"
25 Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the Lord: it is most holy
And how can you say this here, but above you said:
If my interpretation is correct, then God once forbade something that represented something else. Yet changed his law. This does not mean God changed, his covenant changed, just as the Hebrew's writer tells us.
Do you make a sin offering according to the Law, it holy as well"
25 Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the Lord: it is most holy
And how can you say this here, but above you said:
I’ll bet if we sat down together for an afternoon chat we would find a lot in common in how we understand what our Lord is telling us.
I think God went to the Jews to teach them thru Moses by saying He was a loving Holy God who wanted them to live with Him forever, but they were not holy. He would forgive their sins, but they needed to cooperate with Him by having faith in Him enough to live their life as His children, ask for forgiveness when they couldn’t, and He would give them things to do every day so their actions reflected His principles. He taught them not to eat pig.
When he sent Paul to us gentiles after Pentecost he said the same thing, the only difference is we are to do it and still be able to eat pig. God said I’m expecting you to receive the HS that will help you understand my principles, and just follow that, learn my principles through scripture, too. He got rid of the temple where blood of animals represented blood of Christ, and had us use the real blood of Christ for forgiveness. He said He expected us to reflect the fruits of the spirit, and that didn’t require the physical helps he had given.
I think some of the Jews went overboard in following the day to day actions God gave them to help them and forgot the principles they were to teach, so God scolds them for that. But in the same way, I think some of us go overboard in “we don’t have to do any actions”. We can say we are under grace not law only in that we are to reflect God’s principles without needing the physical reminders. Psalm 119 explains the law, it is a reflection of God and a blessing.
I think God went to the Jews to teach them thru Moses by saying He was a loving Holy God who wanted them to live with Him forever, but they were not holy. He would forgive their sins, but they needed to cooperate with Him by having faith in Him enough to live their life as His children, ask for forgiveness when they couldn’t, and He would give them things to do every day so their actions reflected His principles. He taught them not to eat pig.
When he sent Paul to us gentiles after Pentecost he said the same thing, the only difference is we are to do it and still be able to eat pig. God said I’m expecting you to receive the HS that will help you understand my principles, and just follow that, learn my principles through scripture, too. He got rid of the temple where blood of animals represented blood of Christ, and had us use the real blood of Christ for forgiveness. He said He expected us to reflect the fruits of the spirit, and that didn’t require the physical helps he had given.
I think some of the Jews went overboard in following the day to day actions God gave them to help them and forgot the principles they were to teach, so God scolds them for that. But in the same way, I think some of us go overboard in “we don’t have to do any actions”. We can say we are under grace not law only in that we are to reflect God’s principles without needing the physical reminders. Psalm 119 explains the law, it is a reflection of God and a blessing.
I agree with you, I want nothing to do with men’s opinions, only God’s. But I don’t think a scripture here and there gives an accurate picture of God’s words to us. For instance understanding God’s grace to us takes many scriptures for us to get the entire picture. These posts are to people who love the Lord, study His word and are able to check what people say against that study. These posts are to give interest in our own exploration of scripture to check out what is said for ourselves. They can't give the entire study for you.
I don’t agree that God asks us to ignore all His scripture in the OT. If you haven’t read about that, it is in Romans 15:4 “For whatever was written in the past was written for our instruction, so that we may have hope through endurance and through the encouragement from the Scriptures.”
There are many other references to scripture like this. A complete picture takes reading all of them.
I don’t agree that God asks us to ignore all His scripture in the OT. If you haven’t read about that, it is in Romans 15:4 “For whatever was written in the past was written for our instruction, so that we may have hope through endurance and through the encouragement from the Scriptures.”
There are many other references to scripture like this. A complete picture takes reading all of them.
I'm new tho this ande to date have not foud a single verse in the bible heaven is promised to any other then the Co-Judges with Christ, as a Pastor, you dont seem to gave a hold on the holy Scriptures, Yes you may eat Pig, BUT as far as Heaven, YOUR not going to heaven, the New Kingdom to Come will be on earth as told. A new heaven and a new earth, or a restored earth, Gods orginial plan of a earthly Paradise as given Adam was not a failure, His orginial plan will be completed in the end. Pastor? I dont think so!!!!
You may want to actually listen to the whole sermon before you judge the man and make a false presumption. First of all, Pastor Reg Kelly is a true preacher and teacher of the word of God. He believes the Book that he preaches out of. He preaches from the King James Holy Bible and he does not use any of the false and counterfeit versions like the NIV, ESV, NLT, Amplified, Message, etc.
Most preachers today who stand behind a pulpit don't even believe the book that they are preaching from. In their minds, they really believe that there is no perfect Bible and that there really is no inerrant and infallible Bible which they can hold in their hands and preach from.
But Pastor Reg Kelly is one of the few preachers and real teachers of the word of God in North America who still believes that the Bible is the inerrant and infallible word of God. And he knows it is the Authorized 1611 King James Holy Bible.
So, next time you call a preacher a false teacher, you may want to take the time and due diligence to actually study what the man believes and teaches. And what he preaches in regard to doctrine and the word of God.
And to not just make some false and whimsical presumption like you did.
And by the way, we cannot be saved by keeping the law. I hope most Christians would at least study their Bible enough to know that basic truth. And neither can we keep our salvation through works. Once you are saved, you are always saved. We are saved by grace and we are preserved by grace. It is called eternal security.