"replacement theology" - what is it?

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kaylagrl

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The promise to the Jews is the same promise given to all of us today ... and fulfilled entirely in our Lord Jesus Christ ... whose Kingdom is not of this world.
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it is not! Read Scripture!! There are promises yet to be fulfilled concerning Israel.
 
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it is not! Read Scripture!! There are promises yet to be fulfilled concerning Israel.
You still aren't understanding that Abraham had 3 sets of kids and only one set are the children of the promise. Will you at least investigate this kayla?
 
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Replacement
theology is the blind leading the blind.
Its not replacement theology, but reformed.

Reformations restore, not replace.

Refusing to recognize the "time of reformation" has come in the end of the matter would be saying ;Christ did not come in the flesh .A person would have to ignore the veil was rent first and foremost.

The problem that I personally experience is that very few want to talk about the first century reformation, which is pattern or figure used as parable of any reformation, as God's purpose of restoring.

When looking the fifteenth century reformation it would seem most everyone has no problem recognizing the need .

In regard to the fifteenth century refomation .We do not say the Protestants replaced the Catholics. So then why do would others call what God calls a refomation a refomation, replacement theology?

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them "until the time of reformation". Heb 9:8
 
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it is not! Read Scripture!! There are promises yet to be fulfilled concerning Israel.
Land promise(s) ?


Joshua 21:43-45

43 So the Lord gave Israel all the land He had sworn to give their ancestors, and they took possession of it and settled there. 44 The Lord gave them rest on every side, just as He had sworn to their ancestors. Not one of their enemies withstood them; the Lord gave all their enemies into their hands. 45 Not one of all the Lord’s good promises to Israel failed; every one was fulfilled.
 

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You still aren't understanding that Abraham had 3 sets of kids and only one set are the children of the promise. Will you at least investigate this kayla?
Morning KJV,

Regardless of Abraham's children, scripture is clear in that God is in now wise done with ethnic Israel. Rev.12:6,14 demonstrates that in the middle of the seven years the abomination will set up in the holy place within the temple. This in turn will cause the desolation of Israel who will flee out into the wilderness at a place where they will be cared for by God during that last 3 1/2 years, referred to as 1260 days and a time, times and half a time.

That said, God would not be caring for ethnic Israel during the great tribulation if He didn't have plans for her. Jesus will be ruling from Jerusalem and will be the ruling nation during the millennial period.

There is also a matter of the future event of Ezekiel 38-39, when the nations referred to as Gog and Magog and the nations with them, come against Israel where God causes every man's sword to be against his brother. That entire army will be wiped out without Israel lifting a finger. The question is, if God was done with ethnic Israel, why would he fight for her and and show himself holy to the nations of the world and that He is the God of Israel?

There are many other scriptures that demonstrate that God still has unfinished prophecy with Israel and is therefore still their God.

In addition, we have a description of a temple in Ezekiel 40-48 with dimensions that do not fit any of the previous temples. Included are land allotments that do not match the previous locations. This temple is much bigger than the preceding temple. This means that this is a future temple and the only place that you could find fulfillment is during the millennial kingdom.
 
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Morning KJV,

Regardless of Abraham's children, scripture is clear in that God is in now wise done with ethnic Israel. Rev.12:6,14 demonstrates that in the middle of the seven years the abomination will set up in the holy place within the temple. This in turn will cause the desolation of Israel who will flee out into the wilderness at a place where they will be cared for by God during that last 3 1/2 years, referred to as 1260 days and a time, times and half a time.

That said, God would not be caring for ethnic Israel during the great tribulation if He didn't have plans for her. Jesus will be ruling from Jerusalem and will be the ruling nation during the millennial period.

There is also a matter of the future event of Ezekiel 38-39, when the nations referred to as Gog and Magog and the nations with them, come against Israel where God causes every man's sword to be against his brother. That entire army will be wiped out without Israel lifting a finger. The question is, if God was done with ethnic Israel, why would he fight for her and and show himself holy to the nations of the world and that He is the God of Israel?

There are many other scriptures that demonstrate that God still has unfinished prophecy with Israel and is therefore still their God.

In addition, we have a description of a temple in Ezekiel 40-48 with dimensions that do not fit any of the previous temples. Included are land allotments that do not match the previous locations. This temple is much bigger than the preceding temple. This means that this is a future temple and the only place that you could find fulfillment is during the millennial kingdom.

Thank you brother for providing the truth before I got a chance to get back. :) I do not understand how people cannot see the truth written before them. The fact that Israel stands today,the tiny nation,surrounded by her enemies on every side is a miracle in itself. Israel has 1% of the land in the Middle East and yet they want to carve that up and give it away. They do so at their own peril. God has His hand on the Jews.
 
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Regardless of Abraham's children, scripture is clear in that God is in now wise done with ethnic Israel.
Regardless of Abraham's children. What?

Ethnic Israel as far as seeds (many) has nothing to do with the spiritual seed (one) Christ .

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Rev.12:6,14 demonstrates that in the middle of the seven years the abomination will set up in the holy place within the temple. This in turn will cause the desolation of Israel who will flee out into the wilderness at a place where they will be cared for by God during that last 3 1/2 years, referred to as 1260 days and a time, times and half a time.
God works the same way in all dispensations, by work of His faith as a labor of His love., purifying the hearts of men according to His perfect law. He puts no difference between a Jew and Gentile, never did never will .He simply is not a respecter of the color of one’s skin.

And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Act 15:8

Looking for a living hope in the flesh of Abraham as if it was the spiritual seed of Christ by which all men are born again was the downfall of the outward Jews .(no Spirit of Christ)

Not all Israel is born again Israel. Seeing if any man has not the Spirit of Christ then neither is he known by Christ.

Because His promise are two fold the temporal as that seen (flesh) an that not seen , the eternal.( Spirit)

2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
A distinction must be made between the seeds of Abraham (many) according to his flesh and the spiritual seed of Christ according to the spirit of Christ.


Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
 

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Thank you brother for providing the truth before I got a chance to get back. :) I do not understand how people cannot see the truth written before them. The fact that Israel stands today,the tiny nation,surrounded by her enemies on every side is a miracle in itself. Israel has 1% of the land in the Middle East and yet they want to carve that up and give it away. They do so at their own peril. God has His hand on the Jews.
There are many small countries that survived in the shadow of giant ones.
Korea - China.
Vietnam - USA (USA lost)
Estonia - Russia.
Luxembourg - between Germany and France

Yes, its a "miracle", but not the kind of miracle you want it to be for Israel. Sometimes it just happens.

Look at the mess in the Arab world. No wonder ordered Israel with the massive support of USA weapons wins.
Look at how many Jewish scientists came from Russa or Europe to Israel. Arab countries have virtually no intelligence.
Again, Israel will be technologically and strategically in front of them for decades.

So when such state wins wars with its neighbours, it is interesting, but not the same kind of miracle like water changed to wine, right. Today, its not the numbers what wins the war.
 
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Ahwatukee

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Ethnic Israel as far as seeds (many) has nothing to do with the spiritual seed (one) Christ .
Let me make something clear here:

Ethnic Israel:
Followers of the law of Moses, belonging to the patriarch's, the covenants, the temple worship, those who did not receive Jesus as their Messiah.

During the great tribulation, God is going to deal with the group above, those who did not receive Jesus as Messiah when appeared in the flesh the first time. Are we clear on that? Any Israelite that was, is and will be of the group above that has received Jesus as Messiah, is apart of the church, where there is neither Jew nor Gentile. These will be caught up with the Gentile believers immediately after the dead rise. Ethnic Israel who did not receive Jesus as Messiah, will not be caught up, but will be those who will be dealt with during that last seven years.

God has not abandoned ethnic Israel, those who are still under the law, descendants of the patriarchs.

I will repeat what I have posted in the past: Seventy seven year periods were decreed upon Daniel's people Israel and their holy city Jerusalem. Sixty-nine of those seven year periods were fulfilled with the Messiah being cut off/crucified. There now remains one seven year period that is unfulfilled. When Messiah was crucified, God paused the fulfillment of that last seven year period and began to build his church, which is still in progress. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will appear and gather his bride, the church taking the entire group back to the Father's house. Once the church has been removed, God will take up where he left off with Israel's program in fulfillment of that last seven years. It is during this time that God will deal with Israel and will also deal with the rest of the inhabitants of the earth via the seals. trumpets and bowl judgments.

In the middle of that seven years, the abomination will be set up and ethnic Israel will flee out into the desert to that place God will have prepared for here, where she will be protected from the dragon/Satan. At the same time, there will be another group on earth, which will be the great tribulation saints who are the Gentile believers introduced in Rev.7:9-17, of whom the beast is given power to make war and to conquer them. When the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, He will rule from Jerusalem which will be the capital of the earth, with all people coming to worship there.

 
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kaylagrl

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There are many small countries that survived in the shadow of giant ones.
Korea - China.
Vietnam - USA (USA lost)
Estonia - Russia.
Luxembourg - between Germany and France

Yes, its a "miracle", but not the kind of miracle you want it to be for Israel. Sometimes it just happens.

Look at the mess in the Arab world. No wonder ordered Israel with the massive support of USA weapons wins.
Look at how many Jewish scientists came from Russa or Europe to Israel. Arab countries have virtually no intelligence.
Again, Israel will be technologically and strategically in front of them for decades.

So when such state wins wars with its neighbours, it is interesting, but not the same kind of miracle like water changed to wine, right. Today, its not the numbers what wins the war.
The countries you mentioned do not have the history of hatred aimed at them that the Jews do. The point is not that Israel is small but that she is surrounded by enemies on every side that wish for her destruction. Yet she stands because of Gods hand as does America,because of its blessings to Israel. Countries that have come against Israel have found out that God protects her.
 

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The countries you mentioned do not have the history of hatred aimed at them that the Jews do. The point is not that Israel is small but that she is surrounded by enemies on every side that wish for her destruction. Yet she stands because of Gods hand as does America,because of its blessings to Israel. Countries that have come against Israel have found out that God protects her.
1. It is not true. Jordan or Syria or Egypt do not want the destruction of Israel.

2. Again, even if all around Israel wanted his destruction, he is much much much more technologically advanced with a massive, massive, massive support from the USA (money, weaponry, tactics).

3. Israel is based on immigrants from Europe/Russia. They are more culturally, philosophically and educationally advanced than any nation in the middle East because of it.

It is not a miracle such state wins wars.
 
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1. It is not true. Jordan or Syria or Egypt do not want the destruction of Israel.

2. Again, even if all around Israel wanted his destruction, he is much much much more technologically advanced with a massive, massive, massive support from the USA (money, weaponry, tactics).

3. Israel is based on immigrants from Europe/Russia. They are more culturally, philosophically and educationally advanced than any nation in the middle East because of it.

It is not a miracle such state wins wars.

Quote"It is not a miracle such state wins wars."

You're entitled to your opinion
 

trofimus

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Quote"It is not a miracle such state wins wars."

You're entitled to your opinion
Indeed. You too.

Israel wins by the wordly power. Not by the power of God. Israel is an unbelieving nation and God said He will not help such a people, ever.
 

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The countries you mentioned do not have the history of hatred aimed at them that the Jews do. The point is not that Israel is small but that she is surrounded by enemies on every side that wish for her destruction. Yet she stands because of Gods hand as does America,because of its blessings to Israel. Countries that have come against Israel have found out that God protects her.
oh yes, America is soooooooooo blessed.
cough.
 
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Morning KJV,

Regardless of Abraham's children, scripture is clear in that God is in now wise done with ethnic Israel. Rev.12:6,14 demonstrates that in the middle of the seven years the abomination will set up in the holy place within the temple. This in turn will cause the desolation of Israel who will flee out into the wilderness at a place where they will be cared for by God during that last 3 1/2 years, referred to as 1260 days and a time, times and half a time.

That said, God would not be caring for ethnic Israel during the great tribulation if He didn't have plans for her. Jesus will be ruling from Jerusalem and will be the ruling nation during the millennial period.

There is also a matter of the future event of Ezekiel 38-39, when the nations referred to as Gog and Magog and the nations with them, come against Israel where God causes every man's sword to be against his brother. That entire army will be wiped out without Israel lifting a finger. The question is, if God was done with ethnic Israel, why would he fight for her and and show himself holy to the nations of the world and that He is the God of Israel?

There are many other scriptures that demonstrate that God still has unfinished prophecy with Israel and is therefore still their God.

In addition, we have a description of a temple in Ezekiel 40-48 with dimensions that do not fit any of the previous temples. Included are land allotments that do not match the previous locations. This temple is much bigger than the preceding temple. This means that this is a future temple and the only place that you could find fulfillment is during the millennial kingdom.
You are so far out in the left field that you're out of the park lol. I can't even make comments on what you said because it's so far from the truth.

Below is NOT Israel and her manchild is not the 144,000. The manchild is Christ and the woman is heavenly Jerusalem. Jesus DID NOT come from HAGAR... Christ was never in bondage to anything.

Revelation 12:5-6 KJV
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. [6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
 

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Indeed. You too.

Israel wins by the wordly power. Not by the power of God. Israel is an unbelieving nation and God said He will not help such a people, ever.
You should probably let God know that He is doing it wrong.

Given the size of Israel in comparison to her enemies and their proximity and size it can only be by Gods hand that Israel still exists.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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You should probably let God know that He is doing it wrong.

Given the size of Israel in comparison to her enemies and their proximity and size it can only be by Gods hand that Israel still exists.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
are you saying God approves of and is responsible for 500 mega-nukes in Israel?
ya.....being armed to the teeth and having the US on side is all about God.
the white phosphorus dropped on women and children HAS TO BE GOD, right?:
sickening roger
 
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You should probably let God know that He is doing it wrong.

Given the size of Israel in comparison to her enemies and their proximity and size it can only be by Gods hand that Israel still exists.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Considering the world wide power structure in the Zionist movement I'd say they're the reason Israel hasn't been blown off the map. God doesn't support Sodomites.

Read the full article here - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Israel are the most advanced in the Middle East and one of the most advanced in Asia.[SUP][1][/SUP] Same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1988, although the former law against sodomy had not been enforced since a court decision of 1963.[SUP][2][/SUP] Israel became the first in Asia to recognize unregistered cohabitation between same-sex couples, making it the only country in Asia to recognize any same-sex union thus far. Although same-sex marriages are not performed in the country, Israel recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere, making it the first and only country in Asia to do so. Discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation was prohibited in 1992. Same-sex couples are allowed to jointly adopt after a court decision in 2008, while previously allowing stepchild adoptions and limited co-guardianship rights for non-biological parents. Gays and lesbians are also allowed to serve openly in the military.
 
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kaylagrl

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oh yes, America is soooooooooo blessed.
cough.

You know my sister went to Uganda on a missions trip last month. Trust me America is blessed.
 

trofimus

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You should probably let God know that He is doing it wrong.

Given the size of Israel in comparison to her enemies and their proximity and size it can only be by Gods hand that Israel still exists.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Not at all. I explained it why is Israel superior to its neighbours in my other posts. It would be a miracle if Israel would lost any war.