Revelation 12 Sign: September 23,2017

[Enow]

All non christians take the mark.

All christians die that are left behind,or become saved during the GT.

BTW,that is how the ones left behind are gathered for the wedding supper. They are gathered through martyrdom.

No. Those left behind have been disqualified from attending the Marriage Supper in Heaven for not looking to Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd for help in discerning & departing from any unrepentant iniquity. That is what makes them vessels unto dishonor in His House when they become castaways and thus left behind as they will be martyred during the great tribulation.

Scripture said that no one will know the day nor the hour.

I am not sure if predicting a date and hour by the signs of the heavens is considered astrology which is an abomination to the Lord, but the point of warning by the Lord Jesus Christ is to be always ready to go because the Bridegroom can come at any time.... like a thief in the night.

So may every one heed the call to go before that throne of grace to doe help to discern & to depart from iniquity.. now.

 

[watcher2013]

It says they came out of the GT. It says "they have washed their robes...."

1) they had dirty robes. They are ,in fact, the 5 foolish virgins. Millions or billions of nominal believers living carnal backslidden lives,but had enough sense to refuse the mark.

2) the time ,or dispensation of the gentiles ends with the resurrection of the dead in christ,the rapture of the living,and the killing (martyrdom) of the foolish virgins.

i am asking...of all those who were given white robes... if they are all came from GT, were was the church?

 

[Mem]

the Church isn't mentioned...ever again...

 

[watcher2013]

It says they came out of the GT. It says "they have washed their robes...."

1) they had dirty robes. They are ,in fact, the 5 foolish virgins. Millions or billions of nominal believers living carnal backslidden lives,but had enough sense to refuse the mark.

2) the time ,or dispensation of the gentiles ends with the resurrection of the dead in christ,the rapture of the living,and the killing (martyrdom) of the foolish virgins.

Regarding the GT saints....

That is why: “They are in front of the throne of God and worship him night and day in his Temple. The one who sits on the throne will shelter them.

16 They will never be hungry or thirsty again. Neither the sun nor its heat will ever beat down on them,

17 because the lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd. He will lead them to springs filled with the water of life, and God will wipe every tear from their eyes.”

those GT are in front....where is the church at the back...

don't you wanna be a GT saints then...

 

[iamsoandso]

1967 maybe

Think Matthew 24;29-51 or so what happened in 1968 or so Revelation 12?...

 

[GaryA]

The "times of the Gentiles" when did they end?

That span of time has yet to end. We are still in it...

The end of it will be at the Second Coming of Christ.

 

[Bladerunner]

if you search the above,there are tons of videos showing that the alignment of the stars in september 23 is the sign of Rev. 12.

Jesus did said to watch the signs, I would like to know your opinion?

Don't know what everyone is saying, have not read their post yet!. Rev 12 deals with the AoD and the flight of Israel into the Mountains... For those truly saved, do not worry, Daniel's 70th week is not yet here... the restrainer is still here on earth!
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[J7]

That span of time has yet to end. We are still in it...

The end of it will be at the Second Coming of Christ.

It means that Jerusalem will be under the control of foreign nations, and in that period it will kept desolate, until that period comes to an end.

That period really pertains to Daniel's prophecies.

Assuming that that period has a specific prophetic endpoint, then it will usher Christ's return, but not necessarily immediately.

 

[J7]

The point is, the Jews could and I believe will rebuild a Temple, (I have 2036 for a prophetic completion date), but then Jesus may not return instantaneously.

Matthew 24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

 

[GaryA]

That period really pertains to Daniel's prophecies.

Well -- yes and no -- kinda-sorta...

As prophetically "ordained" in Daniel 9:24, the end of the 70 weeks of Daniel marks the end of the 'times of the jews' and the start of the 'times of the gentiles'.

 

[J7]

Ah! I see what you are saying. Interesting!!

27 [FONT=&quot]And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

[/FONT]That being the Time of The Gentiles?

For instance 490 X 4 = 1960

1960 + 70 = 2030

 

[GaryA]

Ah! I see what you are saying. Interesting!!

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

That being the Time of The Gentiles?

For instance 490 X 4 = 1960

1960 + 70 = 2030

No.


Daniel 9:

[SUP]24[/SUP] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. [SUP]25[/SUP] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. [SUP]26[/SUP] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [SUP]27[/SUP] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


In effect -- "you have this much time left"... ( At the end of the 70 weeks, the 'times of the jews' will end. )

The "limitation" ( i.e. - "the-days-are-numbered" ) of the 'times of the jews' is what this prophecy is all about.

 

[J7]

It is for Judah and Jerusalem

So, when the 70 weeks are finished, what then? There is no further prophecy you are saying.

No.


Daniel 9:

[SUP]24[/SUP] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. [SUP]25[/SUP] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. [SUP]26[/SUP] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [SUP]27[/SUP] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


In effect -- "you have this much time left"... ( At the end of the 70 weeks, the 'times of the jews' will end. )

The "limitation" ( i.e. - "the-days-are-numbered" ) of the 'times of the jews' is what this prophecy is all about.

 

[J7]

But this is interesting.

[SUP]27[/SUP] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured (nathak) upon the desolate.

So let's go back to verse 11

11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

As we see in V11, what is being poured out is the curse, and the sevenfold punishment.

So we can see that at the desolation, (AD70), even though the first punishment had not yet finished (until the consummation), a sevenfold increment is now imposed. The first desolation of Jerusalem was 70 years, 588BC to 518BC, so now 490 years (70 X 7) are imposed.

But there is also a fourfold restitution involved,

Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

Jerusalem took Christ's life by false accusation, (and put themselves under a curse).

Therefore 490 X 4 = 1960

1960 years from AD 70 leads to 2030

 

[iamsoandso]

There are many differing opinions as to when the Revelation was received (early/late, so in between the years approx. ad64-ad96) from Revelation 17:8-12 the ten horns/toes,the eight and the head that was wounded ect. had not yet come to pass(ruled) and speaks of them in future tense.

Are they to be considered as portion of the things written about the fourth beast from Daniel's rule/time? If so then had the times of it's rule over Israel/Jerusalem been accomplished or were there still other heads that were to come and then the ten kings that would bare rule over Israel/Jerusalem?

 

[heartofdavid]

No. Those left behind have been disqualified from attending the Marriage Supper in Heaven for not looking to Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd for help in discerning & departing from any unrepentant iniquity. That is what makes them vessels unto dishonor in His House when they become castaways and thus left behind as they will be martyred during the great tribulation.

Scripture said that no one will know the day nor the hour.

I am not sure if predicting a date and hour by the signs of the heavens is considered astrology which is an abomination to the Lord, but the point of warning by the Lord Jesus Christ is to be always ready to go because the Bridegroom can come at any time.... like a thief in the night.

So may every one heed the call to go before that throne of grace to doe help to discern & to depart from iniquity.. now.

Read the parable of the wedding feast.

It tells you a second group is gathered almost immediately.

Study the martyrdom component. Their reward is one of high honor. In fact,it is those martyred ones( possibly billions) that make up the innumerable number.
Hint; they had dirty robes

 

[heartofdavid]

Regarding the GT saints....

That is why: “They are in front of the throne of God and worship him night and day in his Temple. The one who sits on the throne will shelter them.

16 They will never be hungry or thirsty again. Neither the sun nor its heat will ever beat down on them,

17 because the lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd. He will lead them to springs filled with the water of life, and God will wipe every tear from their eyes.”

those GT are in front....where is the church at the back...

don't you wanna be a GT saints then...

That's like saying " even though the 5 foolish were rejected,and later brought in,I would rather not be gathered with the dead in Christ at the rapture"

 

[Ahwatukee]

There are many differing opinions as to when the Revelation was received (early/late, so in between the years approx. ad64-ad96) from Revelation 17:8-12 the ten horns/toes,the eight and the head that was wounded ect. had not yet come to pass(ruled) and speaks of them in future tense.

Are they to be considered as portion of the things written about the fourth beast from Daniel's rule/time? If so then had the times of it's rule over Israel/Jerusalem been accomplished or were there still other heads that were to come and then the ten kings that would bare rule over Israel/Jerusalem?

Morning iamsoandso,

Besides the seven heads symbolically representing seven hills upon which the woman sits, the seven heads also represent a succession of seven kings. The first five had come and gone, king number six was ruling and king number seven had not yet come. The ten horns are ten future kings who will rule concurrently with the beast. The ten kings will not just rule over Jerusalem, but over the entire earth giving all of their power to the beast. It appears that the earth will be divided into ten regions with each king ruling over a region, with the beast ruling above them.

 

[heartofdavid]

i am asking...of all those who were given white robes... if they are all came from GT, were was the church?

I am coming from a bride/bridegroom perspective.

As with the parable of the wedding supper,we see three groups eligible. Two are gathered.

The rapture is pretrib. That is proven easily.

In that group where you say the church is " missing" the dead in Christ are also " missing". They are there,but not in those with dirty robes.

BTW,the dead are gathered first in 1thes 4

 

[heartofdavid]

Only the church is the bride, with the wedding taking place in heaven according to Rev.19:6-8 and the great tribulation saints will be on the earth during that time.

You still have yet to answer the question regarding those three scriptures that show Gentiles on the earth during the millennial period. Unless you can give an answer for those, everything else is pointless.

Explain how when Jesus returns to the earth that He settles disputes between the nations and how the nations will not train for war any more if all the Gentiles are killed?

How can the separation of sheep and goats take place if all of the Gentiles are killed?

Me: Not all gentiles,but all Christians

You: When are you going to agree that not all gentiles will be killed.

Somehow you are not understanding my position.

Seems we agree,but.....