Revelation 12 Sign: September 23,2017
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Luke 12
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
The significance is to the disobedient rebellious.. now there is much hype about an unexpected eclipse.. which could be caused by a large planet if the moon is elsewhere doing its round or does the sun darken? Now think back to the Day our Lord was crucified.. does it go dark? Yes. I don't see the end of the world or the Rapture.. I believe those that live by signs and numbers are going to unleash.. this is their time.. yet they usually disinform to confuse and deflect.. so time will tell.
One thing I want to share is that we should fear no evil.. because the darkness thrives on fear.
So let us Hold Fast for in GOD we Trust always and forever.
One thing I want to share is that we should fear no evil.. because the darkness thrives on fear.
So let us Hold Fast for in GOD we Trust always and forever.
2 Peter 3
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Peter's basic message here was that the Lord's return might be measured in thousands of years.
Anyone think of any more
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Peter's basic message here was that the Lord's return might be measured in thousands of years.
Anyone think of any more
Somethingto think about... In Genesis 5:1 and Genesis 2:4, are they the same book or are they two books written on the same roll?
This is from Irenaeus A.H. book 5 who was a hearer of Polycarp who was taught by John (see paragraph #3) CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.28 (St. Irenaeus)
This is from book 5 section 2 of A.H. CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.33 (St. Irenaeus) (notice what he thought in section 2.
This is from A.H. bk 5 30 section 4 CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.30 (St. Irenaeus) .
in this link in section 3 notice that he says "it is also a prophecy of what is to come"... CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.28 (St. Irenaeus) (A.H. bk.5.28.3
Irenaeus uses Genesis 2:1-3 in his quote which is why I began with Genesis 2:4 and Genesis 5:1 . Chiliasm is how and why he is approaching this and probably also Peter in the scriptures he gave. It stems from their approach that unlike the beginning portion of the bible being a "prophecy" of what is to "take place" instead of it being a recital of what had taken place i.e "six days thou shalt labour and on the seventh day ye shall rest". So six thousand years(of labour) and then the mill.(rest) ect.ect.
This is from Irenaeus A.H. book 5 who was a hearer of Polycarp who was taught by John (see paragraph #3) CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.28 (St. Irenaeus)
This is from book 5 section 2 of A.H. CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.33 (St. Irenaeus) (notice what he thought in section 2.
This is from A.H. bk 5 30 section 4 CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.30 (St. Irenaeus) .
in this link in section 3 notice that he says "it is also a prophecy of what is to come"... CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.28 (St. Irenaeus) (A.H. bk.5.28.3
Irenaeus uses Genesis 2:1-3 in his quote which is why I began with Genesis 2:4 and Genesis 5:1 . Chiliasm is how and why he is approaching this and probably also Peter in the scriptures he gave. It stems from their approach that unlike the beginning portion of the bible being a "prophecy" of what is to "take place" instead of it being a recital of what had taken place i.e "six days thou shalt labour and on the seventh day ye shall rest". So six thousand years(of labour) and then the mill.(rest) ect.ect.
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I do understand the "plan"...
Daniel 9:24-27 is about the 'end' of the 'times of the Jews' and the First Coming of Christ. With the exception of the phrase "even until the consummation", the passage is in no way even remotely connected to the End Times Scenario - and that being a 'minor' connection - being related only by the passage of time.
There is no 7-year agreement. That is not what the passage is actually saying. As for the rest of what you wrote here, you need to understand that God's time scale is larger / longer. Some of the stuff you mention here has been seen --- it is past history...
Your greatest error is believing that all Revelation prophecy will occur in a 7-year time frame at some point in the future.
What you do not realize is -- you are just repeating the teachings of men. I dare say your vindication is not forthcoming. What you say here - I could say to you -- except, how much someone studies Revelation and the End Times Scenario does not necessariliy have a real bearing on how correct their interpretation is...
And, for as long as you hold onto the misdirected and misguided 'dispensational' teaching / training that you have been exposed to, you will never understand what [ certain particular ] passages of scripture actually say. I say this based on my past experience with 'dispensational' teaching / training. The 'dispensational' view redirects your attention away from what [ certain particular ] passages of scripture are actually saying. Built into the 'dispensational' view is a 'clench' that will not let go of you until you are willing to let go of it. Please hear what I am saying. I have "been there and done that"; I know how it works. And, I am telling you - that you have fallen into a snare - the escape from which can only be made through sincere humility and "letting go" of it.
If you were to be less reluctant to listen to those who have told you that they had "been there and done that" - speaking of where you are now, with regard to having the dispensational pre-trib rapture view of the End Times Scenario ( that they once had ) -- and telling you that they have discovered it to be in error --- if you were truly wanting to know the truth - at all costs - would you not be interested in giving them "a full hearing" on how it was that they discovered error in that view?
I was raised with that view. I understand it very thoroughly. Only, I have since discovered it to be filled-to-the-brim with error. And, once you discover the real truth about that error - "you can never go back" -- the actual truth is much more convincing...
So -- go ahead - ignore the truth - "put your head in the sand' -- God will show it to you eventually - even if it is not until Judgment Day.
Or -- you can swallow your pride and discover the truth much sooner -- the choice is yours...
Daniel 9:24-27 is about the 'end' of the 'times of the Jews' and the First Coming of Christ. With the exception of the phrase "even until the consummation", the passage is in no way even remotely connected to the End Times Scenario - and that being a 'minor' connection - being related only by the passage of time.
There is no 7-year agreement. That is not what the passage is actually saying. As for the rest of what you wrote here, you need to understand that God's time scale is larger / longer. Some of the stuff you mention here has been seen --- it is past history...
Your greatest error is believing that all Revelation prophecy will occur in a 7-year time frame at some point in the future.
What you do not realize is -- you are just repeating the teachings of men. I dare say your vindication is not forthcoming. What you say here - I could say to you -- except, how much someone studies Revelation and the End Times Scenario does not necessariliy have a real bearing on how correct their interpretation is...
And, for as long as you hold onto the misdirected and misguided 'dispensational' teaching / training that you have been exposed to, you will never understand what [ certain particular ] passages of scripture actually say. I say this based on my past experience with 'dispensational' teaching / training. The 'dispensational' view redirects your attention away from what [ certain particular ] passages of scripture are actually saying. Built into the 'dispensational' view is a 'clench' that will not let go of you until you are willing to let go of it. Please hear what I am saying. I have "been there and done that"; I know how it works. And, I am telling you - that you have fallen into a snare - the escape from which can only be made through sincere humility and "letting go" of it.
If you were to be less reluctant to listen to those who have told you that they had "been there and done that" - speaking of where you are now, with regard to having the dispensational pre-trib rapture view of the End Times Scenario ( that they once had ) -- and telling you that they have discovered it to be in error --- if you were truly wanting to know the truth - at all costs - would you not be interested in giving them "a full hearing" on how it was that they discovered error in that view?
I was raised with that view. I understand it very thoroughly. Only, I have since discovered it to be filled-to-the-brim with error. And, once you discover the real truth about that error - "you can never go back" -- the actual truth is much more convincing...
So -- go ahead - ignore the truth - "put your head in the sand' -- God will show it to you eventually - even if it is not until Judgment Day.
Or -- you can swallow your pride and discover the truth much sooner -- the choice is yours...
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Arthur w. Pink made an comment once of being out side the camps. He for an multitude of years was dispensational and then differed in an matter of dividing the truth. I wondered at the time if he turned coats and crossed the creek so to speak but no instead he rather well remembered the discrepancies he saw on the other side and learned to swim,lol...
Dear friends,
You are getting caught up with things that will fall apart as they are not built on the solid rock..... time will tell you the story.
One thing is for sure however, from Genesis to Revelations, the judgements of God have only ever come to mankind because of unrepentant sin. Nothing more and nothing less. This is because sin is the transgression of God's Law (10 commandments) and the penalty for sin is death. As it was in the days of Noah and Sodom so shall it be at the second coming. If we knowingly break any of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of his Law and are in danger of the judgements of God.
This also includes the 4th commandment which is the 7th Day Sabbath which is one of the 10.
We must believe and obey God rather than man and follow His Word over the traditions and teaching of men. Sunday Worship is a man made tradition and has no basis in the Word of God. The 7th Day Sabbath is a sign of the people of God who follow the Lord of the Sabbath who is the creator of all.
Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged. It is God's Word that will judge all in the last days. If you do not know it how can not know him who loves us.
It is sin that brings the judgements of God. Those that knowingly practice it have neither seen him or know him. In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent.
All of us only have today. Tomorrow is a gift because he is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. Seek Him while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near, let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous their thoughts and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. What use is knowing prophecy if you are not ready to meet your maker? It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
May God bless you all.
You are getting caught up with things that will fall apart as they are not built on the solid rock..... time will tell you the story.
One thing is for sure however, from Genesis to Revelations, the judgements of God have only ever come to mankind because of unrepentant sin. Nothing more and nothing less. This is because sin is the transgression of God's Law (10 commandments) and the penalty for sin is death. As it was in the days of Noah and Sodom so shall it be at the second coming. If we knowingly break any of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of his Law and are in danger of the judgements of God.
This also includes the 4th commandment which is the 7th Day Sabbath which is one of the 10.
We must believe and obey God rather than man and follow His Word over the traditions and teaching of men. Sunday Worship is a man made tradition and has no basis in the Word of God. The 7th Day Sabbath is a sign of the people of God who follow the Lord of the Sabbath who is the creator of all.
Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged. It is God's Word that will judge all in the last days. If you do not know it how can not know him who loves us.
It is sin that brings the judgements of God. Those that knowingly practice it have neither seen him or know him. In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent.
All of us only have today. Tomorrow is a gift because he is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. Seek Him while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near, let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous their thoughts and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. What use is knowing prophecy if you are not ready to meet your maker? It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
May God bless you all.
The sign in Revelation 12 is called a prophecy, but when it was written Jesus had already been born so it is not completely prophetic. John is recounting past events. There are some academic and scholars who look at this sign and take it to point to the day Jesus was born. They plug the astronomical data into a program and look at the time periods this sign is visible in the sky. It is a pretty common sign over the course of a 2000 years. But, there is a date determined from around the time Jesus was born, September 11, 3 B.C. There are other events and calendars that have to line up around this date to be legitimate. On the Jewish civil calendar this date is Tshiri 1, Rosh Hashanah or Feast/Day of Trumpets. We know from old Jewish sources that the inauguration of the reign of a new Davidic King occurred on Rosh Hashanah. The Jews believed Noah was born on this day. With all the Jubilee/restoration language used to describe Jesus ministry it just so happens this year was a Jubilee year--restitution of all things. And, there are many other points that have to line up and you can find a youtube video on the topic. It is pretty interesting.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
This is not prophetic time, It is contextually saying that time is irrelevant to God. It is in regards to the question of where is the coming of Christ. and the answer most Christians can't handle.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
God delays his coming for his people who are not ready and must repent.
To us it has taken a long time to God its nothing. But he will come when His people fully repent. In this work we can speed it up or as Peter says:
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
This is not prophetic time, It is contextually saying that time is irrelevant to God. It is in regards to the question of where is the coming of Christ. and the answer most Christians can't handle.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
God delays his coming for his people who are not ready and must repent.
To us it has taken a long time to God its nothing. But he will come when His people fully repent. In this work we can speed it up or as Peter says:
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
That is not what God tells us in Revelation
[FONT="]1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:[/FONT]
[FONT="]2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.[/FONT]
[FONT="]1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:[/FONT]
[FONT="]2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.[/FONT]