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No doubt the churches had a physical location, but do you really believe Satan had a physical seat and throne for him to sit on in Turkey? Is that what the Holy Spirit is saying to you? Not me Ken. Tell me, does the devil also have a literal brick and mortar prison where he persecutes Christians for 10 literal days? Is the tribulation only 10 literal days, or perhaps the Spirit is saying something else in this verse?

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

If this is not speaking of spiritual things Ken, then you had better rethink your 7 year tribulation theory because the Bible says different.
It is interesting to note the following....

Egypt---Assyria---Babylon---Persia---Greece---Rome----10 toes/horns

Horus----Bel----Marduke---Merodach---Jupiter----Zeus-----Allah

The throne of Zeus was located at Pergamos

All of the men who ruled the kingdoms above were worshipped as God from Pharaoh to Nebuchadnezzar to Alexander the Great to the Caesars to the Little Horn

I personally believe we see an ever continuing attempt to bring about Satan worshipped in a man which has been continually hindered by God as it was not yet time.....at the end of the age it will be time!
 
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kennethcadwell

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No doubt the churches had a physical location, but do you really believe Satan had a physical seat and throne for him to sit on in Turkey? Is that what the Holy Spirit is saying to you? Not me Ken. Tell me, does the devil also have a literal brick and mortar prison where he persecutes Christians for 10 literal days? Is the tribulation only 10 literal days, or perhaps the Spirit is saying something else in this verse?

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

If this is not speaking of spiritual things Ken, then you had better rethink your 7 year tribulation theory because the Bible says different.

Now your just showing in your response that you did not read all of what I wrote, as I said it may be a spiritual throne but it is located in an actual city. The reason for this being given in scripture is to show those who see by the Spirit what area to look to for the rise of the man of sin for Revelation says he is given satan's throne.
This means that if we have an actual city to look at, then we know were to look in the end times for the man of sin to rule from before he is revealed to the world. Those who do not use that Spiritual discernment will still be looking in the wrong areas until he physically stands in a rebuilt temple claiming to be God.
The bible does give insight to believers when they think in the Spirit as to where he will rise out of, and some falsely think it will be within Rome. Problem with that is that the Roman empire was not just Rome, as Turkey was one of the nations that was part of Rome and now is majority Muslim. Iron mixed with clay !!!
 
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No, I was never good at multi tasking....I have to concentrate on one thing at a time. Not good with too many pokers in the fire. lol
Okay, I was so wrong
(about you)
alrighty then, I will leave you
(with one less poker in the fire)
While I step aside ;)
 
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Now your just showing in your response that you did not read all of what I wrote, as I said it may be a spiritual throne but it is located in an actual city. The reason for this being given in scripture is to show those who see by the Spirit what area to look to for the rise of the man of sin for Revelation says he is given satan's throne.
This means that if we have an actual city to look at, then we know were to look in the end times for the man of sin to rule from before he is revealed to the world. Those who do not use that Spiritual discernment will still be looking in the wrong areas until he physically stands in a rebuilt temple claiming to be God.
The bible does give insight to believers when they think in the Spirit as to where he will rise out of, and some falsely think it will be within Rome. Problem with that is that the Roman empire was not just Rome, as Turkey was one of the nations that was part of Rome and now is majority Muslim. Iron mixed with clay !!!
People need to look in their hearts for the man of sin, not in some geographic location. It's the things people don't see with their eyes that will, and even now has already deceived them. Fear not them that can destroy the body and can do nothing else.
 
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It is interesting to note the following....

Egypt---Assyria---Babylon---Persia---Greece---Rome----10 toes/horns

Horus----Bel----Marduke---Merodach---Jupiter----Zeus-----Allah

The throne of Zeus was located at Pergamos

All of the men who ruled the kingdoms above were worshipped as God from Pharaoh to Nebuchadnezzar to Alexander the Great to the Caesars to the Little Horn

I personally believe we see an ever continuing attempt to bring about Satan worshipped in a man which has been continually hindered by God as it was not yet time.....at the end of the age it will be time!
The world is already worshipping Satan and they don't even know it, the man of sin works in many...says who? Says Paul....be not deceived. Peace out!
 
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Isaiah 21:1
The burden of the desert of the sea. As whirlwinds in the south pass through; so it cometh from the desert, from a terrible land.

Revelation 17:3
So he carried me away in the Spirit to a desert. I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and 10 horns.


Neither the Vatican/Rome or New York is in the desert by the sea...............


Jeremiah 49:20-22

Therefore hear the counsel of the Lord that He has taken against Edom,
And His purposes that He has proposed against the inhabitants of Teman:
Surely the least of the flock shall draw them out;
Surely He shall make their dwelling places desolate with them.
21 The earth shakes at the noise of their fall;
At the cry its noise is heard at the Red Sea.
22 Behold, He shall come up and fly like the eagle,
And spread His wings over Bozrah;
The heart of the mighty men of Edom in that day shall be
Like the heart of a woman in birth pangs.

Isaiah 21:11
11 The burden against Dumah.
He calls to me out of Seir,

13 The burden against Arabia.

In the forest in Arabia you will lodge,
O you traveling companies of Dedanites.
14 O inhabitants of the land of Tema,
Bring water to him who is thirsty;
With their bread they met him who fled.
15 For they fled from the swords, from the drawn sword,
From the bent bow, and from the distress of war.


16 For thus the Lord has said to me: “Within a year, according to the year of a hired man, all the glory of Kedar will fail; 17 and the remainder of the number of archers, the mighty men of the people of Kedar, will be diminished; for the LordGod of Israel has spoken it.”


Jeremiah 51:11
Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple.
 
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The desert of the sea and the forest of Arabia are split there, what the heck? lol
 
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The desert of the sea and the forest of Arabia are split there, what the heck? lol
No doubt and if you translate the first nine verses of Isaiah 21 it will tell you exactly how the strike takes place upon Babylon and where it comes from.....
 
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kennethcadwell

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No doubt and if you translate the first nine verses of Isaiah 21 it will tell you exactly how the strike takes place upon Babylon and where it comes from.....

Yes it says it comes from the Medes (Iran).

Still my point is the scriptures I gave show the other cities getting attacked along side Babylon;
Teman, Kedar, Edom, Dumah, Seir are all in Saudi Arabia not America or Rome. And it clearly says by the Red Sea and in another scripture says the Arabs will no longer pitch their tents their forever, and their is no pitching of tents of Arabs in America and Rome.


Plus look at this for the man of sin;



This is the Seal of the Ottaman Caliph's ( Tughra )
Notice how it has the stigma (6) three times in it for 666, and the Neo-Ottama empire is in Turkey...........
 
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kennethcadwell

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Isaiah 13:19-20



19 xAnd Babylon, the glory of kingdoms,
The beauty of the Chaldeans’ pride,
Will be as when God overthrew ySodom and Gomorrah.
20 zIt will never be inhabited,
Nor will it be settled from generation to generation;
Nor will the Arabian pitch tents there,
Nor will the shepherds make their sheepfolds there.
 
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DesiredHaven

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No doubt and if you translate the first nine verses of Isaiah 21 it will tell you exactly how the strike takes place upon Babylon and where it comes from.....
Oh yeah, piece of cake dc
((sarcasm)) lol
 
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kennethcadwell

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The desert of the sea and the forest of Arabia are split there, what the heck? lol

The point that is being made there for Babylon in Isaiah 21 is all the areas are in Saudi Arabia, and the only one that isn't is the Medes as in Iran who attacks her and destroys her.....
 
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DesiredHaven

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The point that is being made there for Babylon in Isaiah 21 is all the areas are in Saudi Arabia, and the only one that isn't is the Medes as in Iran who attacks her and destroys her.....
See? I dont know my geography or what is what, I thought persia was Iran, but Medes is supposedly Iran, and I cant figure out where the prophecies are talking about.

For me, its strange to say desert of the sea or forest of the desert place of Arabia too.

Then I get fustrated (throw my hands up in the air) and give up LOL
 

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The Revelation of Jesus:

The First place We see Jesus in Revelation is:

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Zechariah had a vision of this candlestick and notice the meaning:

Zec 4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
Zec 4:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
Zec 4:4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
Zec 4:5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.


The representation is of the Spirit here. notice the connection in Revelation,

Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

The lamp stands represent the 7 churches and notice what happens in the seven churches:

Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Every church starts with Jesus speaking and then the churches are told to listen to the Spirit. So Jesus speaks form heaven and the Spirit relays the message to the people of God. This is seen in Jesus words here:

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

The Holy spirit speaks to us the words of Christ from heaven.

and the Holy Spirit convicts of sin etc:

Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

notice the call to the churches is to repent and to overcome,

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

So it would seem the message is Jesus is in the midst of the people of God through The Holy Spirit and by this method He reproves and corrects us preparing us for eternal life.
 
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John used language applicable to his day to explain what he was seeing. So when you interpret him, you must use the language known in his day, the type of speach, the things he would have known, etc, to interpret it.

Babylon in Johns day was pagan rome. So babylon today would RESEMBLE pagan rome.


it is called babylon, because that is where the art of paganism was born.
write what you see. dose not explain meaning. what language was he to use, other that, what he spoke/ wrote.
so he could write. if being asked to write ,what you see. is different to explain what you see.

i am not interested in speculation.

how could he prove, anything, that was in the whole world,(ie map of the world, a map of the universe, etc etc etc )
the etcs. mean more things, that need proven ie times planets, were named and dated. etc etc etc the list is endless. if new things, can be discovered. etc
at this time,


if he speaking about a future , how would he know,(walking or writting in faith) he would not see this. (120 year max humans can live)
 
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Revelation Uncovered by Art Mokarow is a decent read.
interpreting dreams is a gift. reading words is called being educated.


.3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near.Revelation 1

the joy of having a personal relationship, and a saviour, that opens blind eyes, and deaf ears, to what is written.
 
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Yes it says it comes from the Medes (Iran).

Still my point is the scriptures I gave show the other cities getting attacked along side Babylon;
Teman, Kedar, Edom, Dumah, Seir are all in Saudi Arabia not America or Rome. And it clearly says by the Red Sea and in another scripture says the Arabs will no longer pitch their tents their forever, and their is no pitching of tents of Arabs in America and Rome.


Plus look at this for the man of sin;



This is the Seal of the Ottaman Caliph's ( Tughra )
Notice how it has the stigma (6) three times in it for 666, and the Neo-Ottama empire is in Turkey...........
I suggest you look again as the context of the strike ends in verse 9 with Babylon is FALLEN, IS FALLEN and start paying attention......
 
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kennethcadwell

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See? I dont know my geography or what is what, I thought persia was Iran, but Medes is supposedly Iran, and I cant figure out where the prophecies are talking about.

For me, its strange to say desert of the sea or forest of the desert place of Arabia too.

Then I get fustrated (throw my hands up in the air) and give up LOL
The Medes are part of Iran as well as the Media-Persian empire is made up of Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, part of Turkey, and so on. But the Medes part is mainly Iraq and Iran.....







I suggest you look again as the context of the strike ends in verse 9 with Babylon is FALLEN, IS FALLEN and start paying attention......

It does not matter when the strike ends by Babylon has fallen as the scriptures show that it is Saudi Arabia being destroyed as the following ones after verse 9 are a recap as Isaiah says he remembers being told about this by the Lord and tells of the destruction. And verse 2 tells us it is the Medes or Iran as people have the thought of Iran as only being Pesian, but the truth is that only the southern part of Iran is Persian and the northern half is the Medes.


Isaiah 21:2
A grievous vision is declared unto me; the treacherous dealer dealeth treacherously, and the spoiler spoileth. Go up, O Elam: besiege, O Media; all the sighing thereof have I made to cease.