REVELATION
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Revelation is different from the other books in the bible, I remember reading that when they put the bible together that some voted not to include Revelation. If you read Revelation like you would any other book of the bible you will be confused. Let me amend that a little, parts of the book of Revelation are easy to understand and can be taken as one would any other written message. From chapter one to chapter eight is easy to understand and should be taken for just what it is saying without imposing symbols on anything. However, beginning with chapter eight the ride can get rough and confusing.
To study Revelation, never believe something is a symbol or make something into a symbol so as to promote an agenda. Also, look at things from the perspective of the first Christians who read it, because that was who it was FIRST given to. To the church alive at the time of the writing of Revelation, Babylon would have been the city of Rome.
Thanks for posting everyone! To summarize for moi:
I haven't read it recently...but I have read it straight through nonstop a few times..once outloud to myself! Partly to be silly but partly not to be
always a good thing to read the Word.
The first line in oldest English translation is "THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST" ... I feel that is of great importance. The NIV (non-inspired version, I've heard jokingly but it's quite funny and understandable) says "revelation FROM Jesus Christ..." I think "of" Jesus is perfect. We see the story of the world and the end of it laid before us in this letter. And we see our God and Savior throughout the letter as well.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
He is outside time ^^ .. so does this letter appear to be.
The churches were real churches at the time, but of course each teaching/rebuke to them has spiritual significance for all believers. He constantly repeats "He that hath an ear let him hear..." as He did when His feet were on the earth.
I'm intrigued, the He has a new name to be written on us:: "and I will write upon him my new name."
What He says upon finishing the "church letters" gives us good reason for all that was just said::
"19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."
Then it gets a little .. different
I haven't read it recently...but I have read it straight through nonstop a few times..once outloud to myself! Partly to be silly but partly not to be
always a good thing to read the Word. The first line in oldest English translation is "THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST" ... I feel that is of great importance. The NIV (non-inspired version, I've heard jokingly but it's quite funny and understandable) says "revelation FROM Jesus Christ..." I think "of" Jesus is perfect. We see the story of the world and the end of it laid before us in this letter. And we see our God and Savior throughout the letter as well.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
He is outside time ^^ .. so does this letter appear to be.
The churches were real churches at the time, but of course each teaching/rebuke to them has spiritual significance for all believers. He constantly repeats "He that hath an ear let him hear..." as He did when His feet were on the earth.
I'm intrigued, the He has a new name to be written on us:: "and I will write upon him my new name."
What He says upon finishing the "church letters" gives us good reason for all that was just said::
"19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."
Then it gets a little .. different
Thanks for posting everyone! To summarize for moi:
I haven't read it recently...but I have read it straight through nonstop a few times..once outloud to myself! Partly to be silly but partly not to be always a good thing to read the Word.
The first line in oldest English translation is "THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST" ... I feel that is of great importance. The NIV (non-inspired version, I've heard jokingly but it's quite funny and understandable) says "revelation FROM Jesus Christ..." I think "of" Jesus is perfect. We see the story of the world and the end of it laid before us in this letter. And we see our God and Savior throughout the letter as well.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
He is outside time ^^ .. so does this letter appear to be.
The churches were real churches at the time, but of course each teaching/rebuke to them has spiritual significance for all believers. He constantly repeats "He that hath an ear let him hear..." as He did when His feet were on the earth.
I'm intrigued, the He has a new name to be written on us:: "and I will write upon him my new name."
What He says upon finishing the "church letters" gives us good reason for all that was just said::
"19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."
Then it gets a little .. different
I haven't read it recently...but I have read it straight through nonstop a few times..once outloud to myself! Partly to be silly but partly not to be
always a good thing to read the Word. The first line in oldest English translation is "THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST" ... I feel that is of great importance. The NIV (non-inspired version, I've heard jokingly but it's quite funny and understandable) says "revelation FROM Jesus Christ..." I think "of" Jesus is perfect. We see the story of the world and the end of it laid before us in this letter. And we see our God and Savior throughout the letter as well.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
He is outside time ^^ .. so does this letter appear to be.
The churches were real churches at the time, but of course each teaching/rebuke to them has spiritual significance for all believers. He constantly repeats "He that hath an ear let him hear..." as He did when His feet were on the earth.
I'm intrigued, the He has a new name to be written on us:: "and I will write upon him my new name."
What He says upon finishing the "church letters" gives us good reason for all that was just said::
"19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."
Then it gets a little .. different
"22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."
to me this is not limiting the 7 letters to the specific churches, but directs them to whoever has an ear to hear, which makes sens when we read that anyone who keeps this letter is blessed. Have you ever read the book of ezekiel, along with revelation?
Revelation 4:7 "And the first beast was like a LION, and the second beast like a CALF, and the third beast had a face as a MAN, and the fourth beast was like a flying EAGLE."
Ezekiel 1:10 "As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the FACE OF a MAN, and the FACE OF a LION, on the right side: and they four had THE FACE OF of an OX on the left side; they four also had the FACE OF an EAGLE."
Ezekiel 10 : 12 "And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were FULL OF EYES round about, even the wheels that they four had. 13As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel. 14And every one had FOUR FACES: the first face was the face of a CHERUB, and the second face was the face of a MAN, and the third the face of a LION, and the fourth the face of an EAGLE."
or zechariah?
zechariah 4:10- 14 "Then answered I, and said unto him, WHAT ARE THESE TWO OLIVE TREES upon the right side of the CANDLESTICK and upon the left side thereof? 12And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? 13And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 14Then said he, THESE ARE THE TWO ANNOINTED ONES, that stand by THE LORD of the whole earth."
Revelation 11: 3-6 "And I will give power unto my TWO WITNESSES, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (1260), clothed in sackcloth. 4These are the TWO OLIVE TREES, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth......"
Zechariah 4:2-4 "And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a CANDLESTICK all of gold, with A BOWL upon the top of it, and HIS SEVEN LAMPS thereon, and seven pipes to THE SEVEN LAMPS, which are upon the top thereof: 3And TWO OLIVE TREES by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof. 4So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, WHAT ARE THESE, my lord?"
revelation 4:5 "And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were SEVEN LAMPS of fire burning before the throne, which are the SEVEN SPIRITS of God."
daniel?Revelation 5:6-10 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a LAMB LOOKING AS IT HAD BEEN SLAIN, having SEVEN HORNS and SEVEN EYES, which are the seven SPIRITS OF GOD SENT FORTH INTO ALL THE EARTH. 7And he came and HE CAME AND TOOK THE BOOK out of the RIGHT HAND OF HIM that sat upon the throne. 8And WHEN he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to TAKETHE BOOK, and to open the seals thereof: for THOU WAST SLAIN, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of EVERY KINDRED, and TONGUE and PEOPLE, and NATION; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall REIGN on the earth."
Daniel 7:13-14 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the SON OF MAN came with the CLOUDS OF HEAVEN, and CAME TO THE ANCIENT OF DAYS, and they brought him near BEFORE HIM. 14And THERE WAS GIVEN HIM DOMINION, and GLORY, and a KINGDOM, that ALL PEOPLE, NATIONS, and LANGUAGES, should SERVE HIM: his dominion is an EVERLASTING DOMINION, which shall not pass away, and HIS KINGDOM that which shall not be destroyed."
this is just a sample of what is there in the prophets that some would consider a coincidence, but there is so much that really just interprets the other, to me revelation brings together prophecy, and prophecy brings together revelation. another example...
ezekiel 9:3-6 "And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; 4And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and SET A MARK UPON THE FOREHEADS of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.5And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary."
Revelation 7:2-4 "And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."
theres alot more like this in the prophets. and then consider
revelaton 10:7"But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants THE PROPHETS"
i believe the word interprets the word......and revelation is about what has been, what is, and also what will be.
Almost everything in Revelation is explained or dealt with in the rest of the Bible----Revelation also interprets itself at times--- the 7 stars are the 7 angels or messengers ( pastors) (Revelation 1:20)----this Book reveals the seriousness of God---- He does judge--- I hear some preachers say God doesn't judge now because of Grace---- but the truth is God does judge now because of Grace--- by judge I mean He allows the wages of sin to be reaped---- He deals with us in our circumstances ( chastisement) ---or else your a bastard...
The whole of Revelation has in mind the church and the church age beginning in John's day,
The 'things which shall be hereafter' means 'after John was writing'. The seals, trumpets and vials etc convey contemporary history beginning at John's time and continuing through history. As it CLAIMS to be a book of symbols it is foolish to take it too literally. It is mainly describing what the church faces through this present era leading up to the coming of Christ.
The 'things which shall be hereafter' means 'after John was writing'. The seals, trumpets and vials etc convey contemporary history beginning at John's time and continuing through history. As it CLAIMS to be a book of symbols it is foolish to take it too literally. It is mainly describing what the church faces through this present era leading up to the coming of Christ.