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followjesus:: Revelation 4:7 "And the first beast was like a LION, and the second beast like a CALF, and the third beast had a face as a MAN, and the fourth beast was like a flying EAGLE."
Ezekiel 1:10 "As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the FACE OF a MAN, and the FACE OF a LION, on the right side: and they four had THE FACE OF of an OX on the left side; they four also had the FACE OF an EAGLE."
Ezekiel 10 : 12 "And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were FULL OF EYES round about, even the wheels that they four had. 13As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel. 14And every one had FOUR FACES: the first face was the face of a CHERUB, and the second face was the face of a MAN, and the third the face of a LION, and the fourth the face of an EAGLE."
I have heard these these beasts signify the four gospels. I since understand this was written before the gospels were brought together (while that doesn't matter because God knows all, here you display ancient writings with far "younger" ones that intertwine)
What do you (and anyone else) find you know or "hear" about the beasts? I am trying to discuss this book as it is written, working my way through.
Ezekiel 1:10 "As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the FACE OF a MAN, and the FACE OF a LION, on the right side: and they four had THE FACE OF of an OX on the left side; they four also had the FACE OF an EAGLE."
Ezekiel 10 : 12 "And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were FULL OF EYES round about, even the wheels that they four had. 13As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel. 14And every one had FOUR FACES: the first face was the face of a CHERUB, and the second face was the face of a MAN, and the third the face of a LION, and the fourth the face of an EAGLE."
I have heard these these beasts signify the four gospels. I since understand this was written before the gospels were brought together (while that doesn't matter because God knows all, here you display ancient writings with far "younger" ones that intertwine)
What do you (and anyone else) find you know or "hear" about the beasts? I am trying to discuss this book as it is written, working my way through.
He is the Cause/Causer. This universe will have an end, He will make a new one. You know this right? Why do you ask? 
I do want to move further into Rev here on this thread but will do so when able.
I do want to move further into Rev here on this thread but will do so when able.
or till the point in time of the end of this world?
BigJa you are interrogating everyone not adding to the convo. Your last question to me didn't even make sense. Maybe if you re worded it but so far I'm not understanding what you're trying to do here.
God has no beginning and no end. Creation does. Our lives do (and don't) for the body will die but the soul will go on. Either in paradise or in darkness. So because He is the Maker and He is outside creation - that is how He can be the beginning and end of anything. Eternity exists because He is eternal.
God has no beginning and no end. Creation does. Our lives do (and don't) for the body will die but the soul will go on. Either in paradise or in darkness. So because He is the Maker and He is outside creation - that is how He can be the beginning and end of anything. Eternity exists because He is eternal.
The book of Revelation is a revealing/opening of a curtain so to speak. Like Jesus' parables it was meant to be understood by the Church and not by the world. Once you understand the simple key Jesus/John gave us to understanding Revelation it becomes very clear, and easy to understand. Revelation is encoded with Old Testament Verbiage, out of 42 verses, 289 mention the old testament in some manner. Example:
Revelation 12 is about the Woman, the Dragon and the Child. We are told the Woman is dressed in the Sun, moon and 12 stars. Who is she ? Is it Mary, the Church or Israel ? Well the world might not know but we should. In Genesis 37:9 Joseph dreamed a dream that the Sun, moon and 11 stars would pay obeisance unto him (Jacob,Rachel and his 11 Brothers). So we understand, by using the old testament, that this Woman is Israel. We understand she is protected by God for 1260 days, we understand that Jesus told people in Judea to flee when the Abomination of Desolation happens, so it all fits. The book of Revelation is encoded with the old testament.
A summary would look like this.
The Churches of Asia Minor are spoken to, some praised, some admonished with a hint at different types of churches that may come and the remedy for their problems. Then we get a shift to future visions. John sees the future. He sees the multitudes praising God the Father in chapter four, and praising the Lamb of God in chapter five. The Rapture of the Church has happened and the Church is now in Heaven.
John is then shown a vision of things on earth, The Seals are broken by the worthy Lamb. The Anti-Christ/Beast/Little Horn goes forth to Conquer. This means he conquers Jerusalem and is then the BEAST. (All Beasts are ones that Conquer the Holy Land while Jewish peoples are in the land/Babylon/Persia/Greece/Rome etc.) This is when the Women flees into the Wilderness for 1260 days, the same time frame that the Anti-Christ/Beast is given to rule over the Saints (42 months). The Red horse/Black Horse and Pale Horse follows. These are results of the Anti-Christ being allowed to go forth to conquer, he kills, destroys, conquers, causes commotion and calamities galore, no foods are grown and billion die by the sword and are starved to death. The Dragon in Rev. 12 couldn't get at Israel (Woman) so he went after Christians (those who gave their lives to Christ after the rapture) and "BEHEADS" them (kills them). These are the people under the alter in the Fifth Seal, they want vengeance on people ON EARTH (Present tense). The sixth seal comes and the Lambs anger is apparent, a great earthquake etc. etc. All of these seals are the Lambs wrath however, he allowed the Anti-Christ to come forth. During this time the Anti-Christ destroys all Religions and demands all people worship him. Islam, Buddhism and all religions will be wiped out. This is the Harlot being destroyed (Revelation 17:16).
The Seals, Trumpets and Vials are in perfect order, all other parts of Revelation, besides 1-3, overlap many times, they are not in chronological order. The Seals, Trumpets and Vials are in chronological order.
The Seventh Seal sounds, this brings forth the Seven Trumpets. I call this the Holy Spirits wrath. Never seen anyone else do that. If you read chapter 8, the first Angel came before the alter of God, having a golden censor full of the prayers of the Saints, (no doubt the Two-witnesses prayers are included) it then says the incense of the prayers ascended before God, then angel then took the censor, filled it fire from the alter, and cast it towards earth and there was thunder, lightnings and earthquakes. Then the seven angel prepared to sound. The first was hail and dire mingled with blood that burnt the grasses and trees, then a mountain was cast into the seas via Trump two. The third was a star falling from heaven called wormwood. (An Angel poisons the waters). The forth trumpet sounds and the sun, moon and skies are darkened, no doubt because of smoke. We only have the Three woes left.
Revelation 9 1-12 is the first Woe and the Fifth Trumpet. The Demon "Locusts" are set free from the pit, Apollyon is over them. They bring forth pain and suffering but no death. The Sixth Trumpet brings forth the Second Woe. It is a 200 million horseman army, imho, this army is of God, their breastplates are just like the High Priest of Israels breastplates, they are said to bring "plagues of God". They kill a third part of mankind. Revelation 9:20 [FONT="]And the rest of the men which were not killed [/FONT][FONT="]by these plagues [/FONT][FONT="]yet [/FONT][FONT="]repented not[/FONT][FONT="] of the works of their hands, that they [/FONT][FONT="]should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood:[/FONT][FONT="] which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:[/FONT]
These men were slain for their worship of evil, by plagues, which are of God. There is no 200 Million man army at Armageddon, that is the Sixth Vial, this is the Sixth Trumpet or Second Woe. At about this time the two-witnesses will be killed by Apollyon. They have done their jobs. They came and turned Israel back to the Messiah a couple of months before the Abomination of Desolation happened, thus most of Israel was ready for the attack, and knew to flee Judea because of Jesus' warning in Matthew and other places. When they die and ascend to heaven, there will be a short span of time left for the Last or Third Woe, which is all Seven Vials of Gods wrath. They show up a month or two before the Abomination of Desolation, thus their 1260 days of Services are almost in sync with the Anti-Christs reign over Jerusalem, BUT it is not entirely in sync, of course. They will miss the Last Woe.
The Seven Vials of Gods Wrath is the Last or Third Woe.
So we skip from Revelation 9 to Rev. 15 and 16. We see in Rev. 16 that these Vials are brought forth in quick staccato fashion, Boom, Boom, Boom... This will not be a long period of time, the Fifth Trumpet lasted at least 5 Months, this will only be a month or two. The First Vial brought forth grievous sores on those that took the mark of the Beast. The Second killed every living soul in the Seas. The Third turned all the rivers (drinking water) into blood. The Fourth Vial scorched men with heat from the sun. The Fifth Vial brought forth complete darkness on the Beasts Kingdom and men had pain.
The Sixth Vial of course is the Dragon (Satan) the Beast (Anti-Christ) and the False Prophet sending forth lying spirits to entice the Kings of the East (Iran,Iraq, Syria and most Arab nations) to come against Israel, the Anti-Christ destroyed Islam, but their hate for Israel remains. The Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings are of course European, so these two bases come against Israel, no doubt hoping to wipe out Jerusalem and try to get at the Jewish peoples God is protecting. But Jesus shows up, just like Zechariah chapter 14 says.
The Seventh Angel pours out his Vial, and there came a mighty voice from the Temple in Heaven saying, IT IS DONE !! Then there was a Great Earthquake (Jesus landing on the Mt. of Olives).
Revelation 16:19 [FONT="]And the [/FONT][FONT="]great city was divided into three parts,[/FONT][FONT="] and the[/FONT][FONT="] cities of the nations fell[/FONT][FONT="]: and [/FONT][FONT="]great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT]
This is Babylon being destroyed, God sees these nations that come against Israel as Babylon. He then gives them His Wrath. Jerusalem is divided, and these nations that came against Israel are Destroyed. This is in essence Revelation 19 happening. There is no Revelation 17 and 18 in Real Time. Rev. 17 happens during Rev. chapter 6 and Rev. 18 happens during the Seals/Trumpets and Vials, it is Babylon receiving their just plagues. Revelation 16 says IT IS DONE !!
Revelation 19 covers the whole Seven Year Period. The Church is in Heaven, marrying the Lamb, then we ride white horses back to earth with Jesus Christ, the King of Kings, and he destroys the Anti-Christ and his minions/armies who are still on earth. Its the full Seven Year Period.
Only the Seals, Trumpets and Vials are in chronological order, everything else is visions that over-lap each other.
Revelation 12 is about the Woman, the Dragon and the Child. We are told the Woman is dressed in the Sun, moon and 12 stars. Who is she ? Is it Mary, the Church or Israel ? Well the world might not know but we should. In Genesis 37:9 Joseph dreamed a dream that the Sun, moon and 11 stars would pay obeisance unto him (Jacob,Rachel and his 11 Brothers). So we understand, by using the old testament, that this Woman is Israel. We understand she is protected by God for 1260 days, we understand that Jesus told people in Judea to flee when the Abomination of Desolation happens, so it all fits. The book of Revelation is encoded with the old testament.
A summary would look like this.
The Churches of Asia Minor are spoken to, some praised, some admonished with a hint at different types of churches that may come and the remedy for their problems. Then we get a shift to future visions. John sees the future. He sees the multitudes praising God the Father in chapter four, and praising the Lamb of God in chapter five. The Rapture of the Church has happened and the Church is now in Heaven.
John is then shown a vision of things on earth, The Seals are broken by the worthy Lamb. The Anti-Christ/Beast/Little Horn goes forth to Conquer. This means he conquers Jerusalem and is then the BEAST. (All Beasts are ones that Conquer the Holy Land while Jewish peoples are in the land/Babylon/Persia/Greece/Rome etc.) This is when the Women flees into the Wilderness for 1260 days, the same time frame that the Anti-Christ/Beast is given to rule over the Saints (42 months). The Red horse/Black Horse and Pale Horse follows. These are results of the Anti-Christ being allowed to go forth to conquer, he kills, destroys, conquers, causes commotion and calamities galore, no foods are grown and billion die by the sword and are starved to death. The Dragon in Rev. 12 couldn't get at Israel (Woman) so he went after Christians (those who gave their lives to Christ after the rapture) and "BEHEADS" them (kills them). These are the people under the alter in the Fifth Seal, they want vengeance on people ON EARTH (Present tense). The sixth seal comes and the Lambs anger is apparent, a great earthquake etc. etc. All of these seals are the Lambs wrath however, he allowed the Anti-Christ to come forth. During this time the Anti-Christ destroys all Religions and demands all people worship him. Islam, Buddhism and all religions will be wiped out. This is the Harlot being destroyed (Revelation 17:16).
The Seals, Trumpets and Vials are in perfect order, all other parts of Revelation, besides 1-3, overlap many times, they are not in chronological order. The Seals, Trumpets and Vials are in chronological order.
The Seventh Seal sounds, this brings forth the Seven Trumpets. I call this the Holy Spirits wrath. Never seen anyone else do that. If you read chapter 8, the first Angel came before the alter of God, having a golden censor full of the prayers of the Saints, (no doubt the Two-witnesses prayers are included) it then says the incense of the prayers ascended before God, then angel then took the censor, filled it fire from the alter, and cast it towards earth and there was thunder, lightnings and earthquakes. Then the seven angel prepared to sound. The first was hail and dire mingled with blood that burnt the grasses and trees, then a mountain was cast into the seas via Trump two. The third was a star falling from heaven called wormwood. (An Angel poisons the waters). The forth trumpet sounds and the sun, moon and skies are darkened, no doubt because of smoke. We only have the Three woes left.
Revelation 9 1-12 is the first Woe and the Fifth Trumpet. The Demon "Locusts" are set free from the pit, Apollyon is over them. They bring forth pain and suffering but no death. The Sixth Trumpet brings forth the Second Woe. It is a 200 million horseman army, imho, this army is of God, their breastplates are just like the High Priest of Israels breastplates, they are said to bring "plagues of God". They kill a third part of mankind. Revelation 9:20 [FONT="]And the rest of the men which were not killed [/FONT][FONT="]by these plagues [/FONT][FONT="]yet [/FONT][FONT="]repented not[/FONT][FONT="] of the works of their hands, that they [/FONT][FONT="]should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood:[/FONT][FONT="] which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:[/FONT]
These men were slain for their worship of evil, by plagues, which are of God. There is no 200 Million man army at Armageddon, that is the Sixth Vial, this is the Sixth Trumpet or Second Woe. At about this time the two-witnesses will be killed by Apollyon. They have done their jobs. They came and turned Israel back to the Messiah a couple of months before the Abomination of Desolation happened, thus most of Israel was ready for the attack, and knew to flee Judea because of Jesus' warning in Matthew and other places. When they die and ascend to heaven, there will be a short span of time left for the Last or Third Woe, which is all Seven Vials of Gods wrath. They show up a month or two before the Abomination of Desolation, thus their 1260 days of Services are almost in sync with the Anti-Christs reign over Jerusalem, BUT it is not entirely in sync, of course. They will miss the Last Woe.
The Seven Vials of Gods Wrath is the Last or Third Woe.
So we skip from Revelation 9 to Rev. 15 and 16. We see in Rev. 16 that these Vials are brought forth in quick staccato fashion, Boom, Boom, Boom... This will not be a long period of time, the Fifth Trumpet lasted at least 5 Months, this will only be a month or two. The First Vial brought forth grievous sores on those that took the mark of the Beast. The Second killed every living soul in the Seas. The Third turned all the rivers (drinking water) into blood. The Fourth Vial scorched men with heat from the sun. The Fifth Vial brought forth complete darkness on the Beasts Kingdom and men had pain.
The Sixth Vial of course is the Dragon (Satan) the Beast (Anti-Christ) and the False Prophet sending forth lying spirits to entice the Kings of the East (Iran,Iraq, Syria and most Arab nations) to come against Israel, the Anti-Christ destroyed Islam, but their hate for Israel remains. The Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings are of course European, so these two bases come against Israel, no doubt hoping to wipe out Jerusalem and try to get at the Jewish peoples God is protecting. But Jesus shows up, just like Zechariah chapter 14 says.
The Seventh Angel pours out his Vial, and there came a mighty voice from the Temple in Heaven saying, IT IS DONE !! Then there was a Great Earthquake (Jesus landing on the Mt. of Olives).
Revelation 16:19 [FONT="]And the [/FONT][FONT="]great city was divided into three parts,[/FONT][FONT="] and the[/FONT][FONT="] cities of the nations fell[/FONT][FONT="]: and [/FONT][FONT="]great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT]
This is Babylon being destroyed, God sees these nations that come against Israel as Babylon. He then gives them His Wrath. Jerusalem is divided, and these nations that came against Israel are Destroyed. This is in essence Revelation 19 happening. There is no Revelation 17 and 18 in Real Time. Rev. 17 happens during Rev. chapter 6 and Rev. 18 happens during the Seals/Trumpets and Vials, it is Babylon receiving their just plagues. Revelation 16 says IT IS DONE !!
Revelation 19 covers the whole Seven Year Period. The Church is in Heaven, marrying the Lamb, then we ride white horses back to earth with Jesus Christ, the King of Kings, and he destroys the Anti-Christ and his minions/armies who are still on earth. Its the full Seven Year Period.
Only the Seals, Trumpets and Vials are in chronological order, everything else is visions that over-lap each other.
There are some interesting things that come to light when looking at the old testament verses in regards to Christ when the underlying Hebrew is taken into account:
John 1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
This is clearly speaking of Christ as the Lord.
Isa 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Hebrew יהוה - Yehovah), make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
John is clearly identifying Christ as Yehovah from Isaiah's use of the tetragrammaton יהוה
John 1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
This is clearly speaking of Christ as the Lord.
Isa 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Hebrew יהוה - Yehovah), make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
John is clearly identifying Christ as Yehovah from Isaiah's use of the tetragrammaton יהוה
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If you are asking if the Book of Revelation is legit, Paul spoke of John but not by name of the event on how the Book of Revelation came about.
2 Corinthians 12: It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.[SUP]2 [/SUP]I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth[SUP]4 [/SUP]How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.[SUP]5 [/SUP]Of such an one will I glory: ................
2 Corinthians 12: It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.[SUP]2 [/SUP]I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth[SUP]4 [/SUP]How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.[SUP]5 [/SUP]Of such an one will I glory: ................
The phrase "after God" isn't possible to say - if you will. He has no end. NO beginning. No end.
Back to Rev::
Romans-Philemon said something about us focusing on "wrong books" ... ALL scripture is worth studying ((All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness))
I am much more of an Old Testament girl, if you will, because the risen Jesus did this with disciples while walking on the road:
"Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures." Luke 24:27
That said - this post was really because I found a great animated movie where John is on Patmos and tells the story of Christ to his captors / guards. It didn't go into him receiving revelation, but it just brought it back to my mind
Back to Rev::
Romans-Philemon said something about us focusing on "wrong books" ... ALL scripture is worth studying ((All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness))
I am much more of an Old Testament girl, if you will, because the risen Jesus did this with disciples while walking on the road:
"Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures." Luke 24:27
That said - this post was really because I found a great animated movie where John is on Patmos and tells the story of Christ to his captors / guards. It didn't go into him receiving revelation, but it just brought it back to my mind
