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Why do you know this? Why did you search out this information? Why would you want to?
Again, not judging or condemning, just wondering why. Were you not satisfied with the version you were using?
I am sure it is just me, but I have always been satisfied with the version I began to study and had no desire to research other translations.
Again, not judging or condemning, just wondering why. Were you not satisfied with the version you were using?
I am sure it is just me, but I have always been satisfied with the version I began to study and had no desire to research other translations.
For those interested, here is where the RSV fits into the translational tree.
The RSV 1952 actually came down from the 1901 ASV which was a revision of the 1611 KJV. The 1611 KJV translation has its roots in the 1568 Bishop's Bible with minor contributions from the Latin version of the Geneva Bible. The Bishop's Bible was a later product of the 1539 Great Bible which came from the Matthew's Bible of 1538. The predecessor of the Matthew's Bible was the Tyndale Bible which was translated from the Erasmus text of 1526.
The RSV 1952 actually came down from the 1901 ASV which was a revision of the 1611 KJV. The 1611 KJV translation has its roots in the 1568 Bishop's Bible with minor contributions from the Latin version of the Geneva Bible. The Bishop's Bible was a later product of the 1539 Great Bible which came from the Matthew's Bible of 1538. The predecessor of the Matthew's Bible was the Tyndale Bible which was translated from the Erasmus text of 1526.
One of the travesties of history has been when a group of people do not have the Bible in a language that they can easily understand. Some of us here care deeply that every person is able to read and understand the Bible in a language in which they can clearly read and understand the salvation story.
I am happy that for you this has never been a problem. You evidently have always had the Bible in a translation you can easily understand. I have direct contact with a minority people group of which this is not the case. Some English versions they will not be able to understand very well . . .
I am happy that for you this has never been a problem. You evidently have always had the Bible in a translation you can easily understand. I have direct contact with a minority people group of which this is not the case. Some English versions they will not be able to understand very well . . .
It is interesting that I'm not an RSV fan yet I am of the ESV, I use both the ESV and the NJKV. I appreciate the way they are laid out, like the way they laid out I Corinthians 14:33 ESV “For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged,32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.
As in all the churches of the saints,34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.”
NKJV “For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged.32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.”
Opposed to the KJV 31 “For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”
The KJV lends itself to topical teaching/preaching and reading the Scriptures out of context, because it seem as if each verse stands alone, so you can go find another one that is like the one you like or help support your doctrine. Since they seem to stand alone it is easier to read them out of context, when they are laid out in paragraphs and chapters it is so much easier to read in context. For new believers it helps them understand that the Bible is written just like other literature and should be read in the same way other works of literature are read. The majority of translation are in this format as they all should be, the Greek manuscripts were written in the same way, since there were no chapter and verse brakes. The Authorized (King James) Version has been written in this format which is great for those that like read the old english.
I wonder how many people would know that, "pisseth against the wall" means "male" I Samuel 25:22 KJV “So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.”
ESV “God do so to the enemies of David and more also, if by morning I leave so much as one male of all who belong to him.”
That is very inspired by the Lord, I wonder if it says, she that siteth by the wall. Please forgive me if anyone feels disrespects by that. I do not see any superior aspects of the KJV that would make it more inspired then any other translation from the Greek into any other language. As a matter of fact there are more translations that are closer to the Greek manuscripts then the KJV. First they were closer to the time that the original manuscripts was written, the languages were closer to the koiné Greek and they knew more about the koiné Greek then those in 1600.
The KJV is responsible for more false doctrines, legalism and cults then any other translation that was not translated by a cult.
In the parable you are hyperbolically referring to, it clearly states that the wheat and chaff should not be separated until the harvest, and that the angels are the harvesters.
You and I are not the harvesters. In the parable the sentiment is distinctly expressed that we are too stupid to tell wheat from chaff, therefore let them grow up together until the time when He will send out His angels.
You and I are not the harvesters. In the parable the sentiment is distinctly expressed that we are too stupid to tell wheat from chaff, therefore let them grow up together until the time when He will send out His angels.
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Another opinion. Where is your proof that most cults choose the KJV? Just because you have difficulty understanding does not mean others do.
Most of the people I have met that have limited or no understanding do not use the KJV.
I am not here to condemn or defend any translation, but to state opinions as fact should not be done.
Most of the people I have met that have limited or no understanding do not use the KJV.
I am not here to condemn or defend any translation, but to state opinions as fact should not be done.
I don't know that it's even the language being obscure sometimes, but that in the English speaking world KJV being so prevalent for hundreds of years that naturally it's equally prevalent among heretics, I'm much the same way that most criminals are right handed, because well, most people are.
And you get the whole 'tradition' aspect too - a lot of people grew up knowing nothing other than KJV never having given thought to the science of translation at all, and have a natural repulsion when it comes to change. It is understandable that the first thing many people think is that it is a demonic attack when in all actuality it's just scholarship hoping to further refine and correct what is in fact a very good translation but does in fact have its share of errors
I own two paper copies of the Bible, a KJV and a 1984 niv that my church gave me in 1984. What i've committed to memory is a mix of both, and I like to read the YLT to compare a more word for word translation when I am puzzled by the text
And you get the whole 'tradition' aspect too - a lot of people grew up knowing nothing other than KJV never having given thought to the science of translation at all, and have a natural repulsion when it comes to change. It is understandable that the first thing many people think is that it is a demonic attack when in all actuality it's just scholarship hoping to further refine and correct what is in fact a very good translation but does in fact have its share of errors
I own two paper copies of the Bible, a KJV and a 1984 niv that my church gave me in 1984. What i've committed to memory is a mix of both, and I like to read the YLT to compare a more word for word translation when I am puzzled by the text
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