Sabbath Law and Rest

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Which view do you take?

  • God requires Christians to observe a Saturday Sabbath.

    Votes: 22 36.7%
  • God desires for Christians to observe a Saturday Sabbath.

    Votes: 10 16.7%
  • God desires for Christians to observe a weekly Sabbath, either Saturday or Sunday.

    Votes: 10 16.7%
  • God requires Christians to observe a Sunday Sabbath.

    Votes: 2 3.3%
  • God doesn't want us to worry about observing any Sabbath.

    Votes: 16 26.7%

  • Total voters
    60
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phil112

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Did you think that God was just beating His gums when God told us about the Sabbath? Why are you so determined not to listen when God talks of the Sabbath in scripture. I think you have a silly idea in your head that God is threatening you if you don't keep it, so you are lashing out.

Did you think that God actually put us in slavery when He freed us from sin? God told us about the sin that would enslave us so we could avoid it. It is sin that enslaves, not freedom from sin. That the law is to enslave us is just an awful thing to say.

Christ's sacrifice is to give us eternal life and life abundant. Why ever would you connect that with our keeping law, except that God can have nothing to do with sin so to keep ourselves close to God we must use Christ to cleanse and repent of our sin.

I think you have yourself stuck on some false ideas and it is keeping you from being able to think as God leads you.
Redtent, tell me. Come on, be honest with the board and tell us the truth: Why are you so enamoured with the law? Why do you so vehemently reject the new testament, and thus, Christ, when scripture is plain?
Galatians 5:
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. [SUP] [/SUP]Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[SUP] [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP] [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
You do understand that being under bondage is slavery?
Bondage: 1397 NT - Greek.... slavery (ceremonially or figuratively):--bondage.
 

SolidGround

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Redtent, tell me. Come on, be honest with the board and tell us the truth: Why are you so enamoured with the law? Why do you so vehemently reject the new testament, and thus, Christ, when scripture is plain?
Galatians 5:
You do understand that being under bondage is slavery?
Bondage: 1397 NT - Greek.... slavery (ceremonially or figuratively):--bondage.
i am enamored with the Law too. but me and redtent don't express it quite the same.
I don't think she is really rejecting the NT.
She just hates hearing people talk down about the Word of God.

Her personally,
she is not enslaved.

She is free in her knowledge and understanding of the Truth and principles behind the Law.
But she is a rare breed.
Most who speak similarly are truly enslaved.
It takes maturity and understanding to be in redtent's position
 
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phil112

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............................ Why are you so determined not to listen when God talks of the Sabbath in scripture.........................
i am enamored with the Law too. but me and redtent don't express it quite the same.
I don't think she is really rejecting the NT.
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In the 5th chapter of Galatians, as I posted it, Paul very clearly explains it, yet redtent rejects it. Since you have volunteered to be her apologist, perhaps you can explain away Pauls words then?
 

Angela53510

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LT, I am very sorry to hear you are gradually being enslaved to the Hebrew Roots movement.

Christ came to set us free, and when you say you are obeying the Jewish ritual of sunset to sunset resting, including not preparing meals, you have crossed over to the realm of the Orthodox Jew.

"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." John 8:36

As Paul said at the first Christian council (the Jerusalem Council) to the Judiazers:

"Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? [SUP]11 [/SUP]But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.” Acts 15:10-11

This council determined that even Peter had lost his way, going back to his "Hebrew Roots". In the end, they decided the Gentiles were required to do 4 things:

"For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, [SUP]20 [/SUP]but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood." Acts 15:28-29

I will pray that God will deliver you from your delusions, LT!
 
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Redtent, tell me. Come on, be honest with the board and tell us the truth: Why are you so enamoured with the law? Why do you so vehemently reject the new testament, and thus, Christ, when scripture is plain?
Galatians 5:
You do understand that being under bondage is slavery?
Bondage: 1397 NT - Greek.... slavery (ceremonially or figuratively):--bondage.
You can not understand that I believe God gave us the law to guide us to a good life, it is of God and Holy, Many scriptures tell us so, even Christ. Yet you put down and try to destroy what is Holy.

Scripture plainly tell us that Paul needed to go to the gentiles with the gospel, not with the rituals. How you can be so certain that Paul, who gives us scripture!! would say to not believe Christ or God is beyond me.

I understand that being under sin is bondage. How could love and justice, or law, be bondage? Love and justice is freedom and brings goodness. Try going to your neighbor and hit him one day, then go to your neighbor with love and help another. Which would you say is bondage?
 

SolidGround

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In the 5th chapter of Galatians, as I posted it, Paul very clearly explains it, yet redtent rejects it. Since you have volunteered to be her apologist, perhaps you can explain away Pauls words then?
i won't explain away Paul's words.
However, I will try to synergize Paul's words with her convictions.

Paul is speaking to those who are mistaking the Law for salvation.
We see that here on this forum! anyone who holds to Arminianism is at fault here.
if anyone feels they must follow the Mosaic Covenant, or any set of regulations, to remain saved, they are truly lost.
However, one must not assume that Paul is banning Christians from observing these things.
I have yet to hear redtent preach that the Law is needed for continued salvation...
she just disagrees, as I do, with those that entirely ban Christians from observing the customs of our ancient brethren: the Children of Israel, with whom we have the same salvation.

redtent isn't confusing the Law with salvation.
she just realized that God revealed Truth when He spoke the Law to Moses.
when she follows the Law, it is to discover the deep Truths that God hid within His Word.

When a new convert follows the Law, they can mistake that type of obedience for 'faith'.
a babe in Christ would get lost trying to follow redtent in her walk.

you must realize that redtent is not immature. she is a seasoned veteran of the faith... a warrior.
she is not using the Law to gain salvation, but to gain understanding of the Law Giver.


i can't fully explain her findings, because I have spent so much time battling the temptation of the world, and not enough pursuing the spiritual blessings God has for us in this life.
 
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phil112

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i won't explain away Paul's words............
But you're going to try, aren't you?
Paul is speaking to those who are mistaking the Law for salvation.
Why doesn't Paul say that then? Do you think Paul just didn't say what he really meant to?
You are going to tell me, two thousand years after Paul wrote it, what He meant to say.
God has allowed, for all these hundreds and hundreds of years since Paul gave us that, it to be in error. Right up 'til you were born so you could explain it to me. You are really such a nice person to finally come around to clear this little misunderstanding up.

Do you have any clue how asinine/arrogant what you said is?
 
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phil112

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You can not understand that I believe God gave us the law to guide us to a good life, it is of God and Holy, Many scriptures tell us so, even Christ. Yet you put down and try to destroy what is Holy.

Scripture plainly tell us that Paul needed to go to the gentiles with the gospel, not with the rituals. How you can be so certain that Paul, who gives us scripture!! would say to not believe Christ or God is beyond me.

I understand that being under sin is bondage. How could love and justice, or law, be bondage? Love and justice is freedom and brings goodness. Try going to your neighbor and hit him one day, then go to your neighbor with love and help another. Which would you say is bondage?
Then explain the passage in Galatians I gave you. If Paul was only giving gospel, why did he feel the need to POINTEDLY except us from the law?
Yet you put down and try to destroy what is Holy
Really? Me?
You reject the man Christ sent specifically to teach you the new covenant, and you accuse me of trying to destroy something holy?
Sister, you need to get in front of a mirror when you talk like that.
 
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parablepete

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1., 2., 3., are False teaching

4., Is true.

The Bible teaches us to Worship on the First day of the Week, which is Sunday.
 
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LT, I am very sorry to hear you are gradually being enslaved to the Hebrew Roots movement.

Christ came to set us free, and when you say you are obeying the Jewish ritual of sunset to sunset resting, including not preparing meals, you have crossed over to the realm of the Orthodox Jew.

"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." John 8:36

As Paul said at the first Christian council (the Jerusalem Council) to the Judiazers:

"Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? [SUP]11 [/SUP]But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.” Acts 15:10-11

This council determined that even Peter had lost his way, going back to his "Hebrew Roots". In the end, they decided the Gentiles were required to do 4 things:

"For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, [SUP]20 [/SUP]but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood." Acts 15:28-29

I will pray that God will deliver you from your delusions, LT!
You have been blinded to truth! And you are teaching what isn't truth. I cringe for you.

To obey what God gave us to draw nearer to God is "crossing over to the realm of the orthodox Jew" whatever you think that means to a Christian walk. Should we take Luther up on his suggestion that we murder rabbis?

The council who decided gentiles were to do those 4 things decided on them so gentiles would be accepted in synagogue, and that was so they could hear scripture. The only scripture was the OT, synagogue was where it was taught. The head of the council was James the Just, brother of Jesus, a Jew. Hearing scripture so they would know God was the purpose of those rules for the gentiles.

Even as opposed as Paul was to teaching rituals instead of the gospel, he didn't have your opinion of those rituals. Paul said it wasn't right for Jews to teach gentiles that it was rituals that was the key to being a member of the church. Your rant against anything of the Jews is not biblical, it is stretching a truth until it is not anything like truth any more. It is taking what was once from God, Himself, and dragging it through the mud.

Rituals that lead to a spiritual obedience are not sinful in themselves, scripture does not say so. It is biblical that it is wrong to use a ritual for salvation instead of Christ. That would be terrible and lead to death. It would also be very wrong to say, as the Jews did, that they were necessary. But when you present them as something God did wrong to suggest them, it is just as wrong as Jews saying they are necessary.

You have been told not to judge by the day chosen, yet your entire post is doing just that, and it was scripture that told you not to do it.

What you say is read by hundreds, to misrepresent scripture as you are doing is very serious.
 
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SolidGround, there is no such thing as a rare breed of christian. You are not loving RedTent or anyone else here with the truth.

Christ's sacrifice is to give us eternal life and life abundant. Why ever would you connect that with our keeping law, except that God can have nothing to do with sin so to keep ourselves close to God we must use Christ to cleanse and repent of our sin.
This statement is outrageous. Christ's sacrifice is to give us righteousness, first and foremost. Without it we do not have access to the Father or the gift of God, eternal life. So what does it mean to be made righteous by trusting the faith of Christ?

Why don't the religious sabbath keepers on this thread share the gospel of our salvation? What is it that you believe for the salvation of your soul? Are you dead, is your life hid with Christ in God? How is it that we are dead to sin? Who are you in the Lord's body?

What do you mean, "to keep ourselves close to God we must use Christ to cleanse"
 

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LT, I am very sorry to hear you are gradually being enslaved to the Hebrew Roots movement.

Christ came to set us free, and when you say you are obeying the Jewish ritual of sunset to sunset resting, including not preparing meals, you have crossed over to the realm of the Orthodox Jew.

"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." John 8:36

As Paul said at the first Christian council (the Jerusalem Council) to the Judiazers:

"Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? [SUP]11 [/SUP]But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.” Acts 15:10-11

This council determined that even Peter had lost his way, going back to his "Hebrew Roots". In the end, they decided the Gentiles were required to do 4 things:

"For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, [SUP]20 [/SUP]but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood." Acts 15:28-29

I will pray that God will deliver you from your delusions, LT!
It wasn't four things they decided. You left off the last one.

Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

And what was the reason that they should hear Moses every sabbath in the synogogues? Because as Jesus said, "Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

So what's up with the four things and hearing verbatim the law read by the scribes and the Pharisees while they are sitting Moses' seat? It all comes from knowing the Torah, prophets, psalms and writings of the Old Testament.

1) Abstain from Polutions from idols so that you are not found to be UNHOLY:

  • Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
  • Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
  • Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
  • Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


  • Exo 20:23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.


  • Exo 34:12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:
  • Exo 34:13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:
  • Exo 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
  • Exo 34:15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
  • Exo 34:16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.
  • Exo 34:17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
  • Psa 106:34 They did not destroy the nations, concerning whom the LORD commanded them:
  • Psa 106:35 But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.
  • Psa 106:36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them.
  • Psa 106:37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
  • Psa 106:38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
  • Psa 106:39 Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.
  • Psa 106:40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.

(Leviticus 19:4) Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.

(Leviticus 26:1) Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

(Leviticus 26:30) And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

(Deuteronomy 29:17) And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them:)

SOME PRETTY STRONG WORDS SPOKEN BY OUR LORD AND GOD. I know, Jesus is the Word and all that is commanded in the Old Testament about idols is still the LAW OF CHRIST. So take your Christmas tree and all its ornaments and burn them like the trash they are to God. Take down your pretty effeminate pictures of a white Jesus. Take down and burn all your crosses. Thou shalt not have any idols. And no egg laying bunny rabbits and chocolate bunnies and dyed easter eggs. These are an abomination to mix the pagan with the holy, therefore like yeast, it is made completely unholy because of the mixing in of pagan customs and no matter how much you plead that is not what it means to me, for you will find that God is not going to accept it.


2) Abstain from fornication

G4202
πορνεία
porneia
por-ni'-ah
From G4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication.

3) Abstain from eating animals that have been strangled and not bled (eating blood)

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πνικτός
pniktos
pnik-tos'
From G4155; throttled, that is, (neuter concretely) an animal choked to death (not bled): - strangled.

4) Abstain from blood, this includes eating anything that has blood, or semen or phlegm (snot/boogers) and this includes murder and getting blood on you:

  • Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
  • Gen 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
  • Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.


  • Lev 7:26 Moreover ye shall eat no manner of blood, whether it be of fowl or of beast, in any of your dwellings.

And I can keep posting many many more scriptures from OT as well as the NT.

Then the last point, every Sabbath they will hear the rest of the Torah and the prophets read verbatim. Taking the INSTRUCTIONS in a little each Sabbath makes eating an elephant manageable. I've only been observing Sabbath for a little over a year. Every Sabbath we have the reading from both the OT and NT. Every Sabbath. We hear the word of God. (When I was in a Baptist churches, it made me sleepy to hear the preacher quote a verse or two and then never get to a point that related to the scriptures he read.) The Torah readings we go by includes Isaiah 53, which the Jews leave out.

So, I guess I am so frustrated with ignorant sinning because if it is willful sinning there is no more sacrifice after Jesus for willful sinning.

So keep your spiritual sabbath rest, esteeming none of God's Holy Days as He commanded. In the end, the Sabbath breakers will be pounded with hailstones from God Himself. Stoning was the penalty for Sabbath breakers in the Torah. But God has reserved the final stoning for Himself.

(Revelation 8:7) The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

(Revelation 11:19) And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

(Revelation 16:21) And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
 

SolidGround

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But you're going to try, aren't you?

Why doesn't Paul say that then? Do you think Paul just didn't say what he really meant to?
You are going to tell me, two thousand years after Paul wrote it, what He meant to say.
God has allowed, for all these hundreds and hundreds of years since Paul gave us that, it to be in error. Right up 'til you were born so you could explain it to me. You are really such a nice person to finally come around to clear this little misunderstanding up.

Do you have any clue how asinine/arrogant what you said is?
the whole book is speaking to those who are being told to convert to Judaism to remain saved... I didn't 'arrogantly' put that in there.

If you want to burn the OT, go ahead.

Paul did not tell them that the Law is evil.
Don't preach that the Law is evil.

Preach that God's grace is sufficient!

I'm not insulted or offended. I just want you to know that I am your brother, and redtent is your sister.
 
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phil112

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the whole book is speaking to those who are being told to convert to Judaism to remain saved..........................
My friend, you cannot allow the old testament to take a higher importance than the new. By so doing, you are saying that Christ's blood was spilled in vain. The old was a shadow of the new. You are going to have to accept that if you ever expect to become perfect (mature) in Christ and digest strong meat.
I just want you to know that I am your brother, and redtent is your sister.
I hope so, and if you are right, you are going to have to accept what Christ did for you, how He did it for you and why He did it for you. You certainly are not accomplishing that yet.
 
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1., 2., 3., are False teaching

4., Is true.

The Bible teaches us to Worship on the First day of the Week, which is Sunday.
Please give scripture to show bible teaching that. I have not seen it. I have read scripture saying they worshipped on Saturday, and scripture giving a meeting on Sunday, but all scripture about worship I have read says on the last day of the week. Paul said it was OK to meet on Sunday, but God said He gave a special blessing to make the last day of the week holy. That is what my bible says, and I have lots of translations of bible, even if I can't read Hebrew.
 
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I like pork tenderloin on the grill as well as catfish hah...

I think Hebrews chapter 4 gives us very good insight into the whole concept of (rest) (Sabbath) and points us all to the ultimate goal of what the (Sabbath) was originally designed to portray. Without a doubt man was commanded to work 6 days and rest 1 day over a 7 day period and the Jesus clearly tells us about the Sabbath (day of rest) as his disciples walked thru the field picking corn on the Sabbath and He said unto them (Pharisees) "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: therefore the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath." Mark 2:27-28

Jesus done the following things on the Sabbath (day of rest) and or taught about the following things done on the Sabbath...

1. Picked corn Matthew 12:1
2. The priests on the Sabbath profaned it and were BLAMELESS Matthew 12:5
3. Healed a man Matthew 12:10-13
4. Actually healed numerous times on the Sabbath
5. Makes the points about the ox in the ditch on the Sabbath
6. States it is good to do good on the Sabbath--->what if that means cutting the grass for a cancer stricken neighbor?

The real question is not about the physical aspects of the Sabbath as it was simply a day of rest for man that was ordered by God as a commandment which was again designed to point to God and His holiness and the inability of man to completely keep the law.

The real question is what are the spiritual truths that are gleaned from this day of rest that God had ordained and commanded unto the Nation of Israel. Jesus makes it clear from the above truths that HE IS LORD of the SABBATH and FOR HIS DISCIPLES TO PICK CORN ON THE DAY OF REST and or PULL AN OX OUT OF THE DITCH IS IRRELAVENT! To do good, to heal, to pick corn, to pull an ox from the ditch and or lay around all day and rest are all fully acceptable unto the LORD OF THE SABBATH on the SABBATH day!
Excellent Post !!
 
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My friend, you cannot allow the old testament to take a higher importance than the new. By so doing, you are saying that Christ's blood was spilled in vain. The old was a shadow of the new. You are going to have to accept that if you ever expect to become perfect (mature) in Christ and digest strong meat.
I hope so, and if you are right, you are going to have to accept what Christ did for you, how He did it for you and why He did it for you. You certainly are not accomplishing that yet.
It isn't about higher and lower ground, it is about listening to God's word. You are saying by looking at something, you must cut off the shadow of it. There are details in the shadow, too. If you decide to blind yourself to the entire picture but only accept one portion of it, you are not going to be able to correctly see the portion you accept. You are trying to block out the shadow in your picture of God.

It is like building the second story of a house and using a crow bar on the first story. The entire house comes tumbling down, as many of the posts on cc have proven. Without knowing the truths in the first, the understanding of the finish is distorted.
 

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So, I guess I am so frustrated with ignorant sinning because if it is willful sinning there is no more sacrifice after Jesus for willful sinning.
What is the gospel of our salvation? You don't confess it, because you don't know it. You don't share it, because you don't believe it.

I am a saved person, saved by the power of God... the new creature God is currently forming in the dispensation of the grace of God, this is our identity n Christ before God the Father "dead to sin", alive to God. Grace, righteousness, justification, reconciliation, sanctified, purchased possession... want to talk about it?
 

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I would still like to hear what LT has learned over the last few weeks while observing the Sabbath. I think it could be quite enlightening to hear what revelation, if any, someone who hasn't kept the sabbath is getting by starting to do so.
 
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I would still like to hear what LT has learned over the last few weeks while observing the Sabbath. I think it could be quite enlightening to hear what revelation, if any, someone who hasn't kept the sabbath is getting by starting to do so.
Honestly, it is hard to say anything either way yet. I've been keeping a journal, and plan to go for at least one more week (a full month was my commitment). I can't say it hasn't been a blessing, because I have truly enjoyed the time of separation from normal activities, but I also can't yet say whether it was due to it being a specific day of the week, or just that I need to spend more time with God in general.

I'll share more next week when I complete my commitment, and review my journal.