Sabbath Law and Rest

[Rockbysea]

No command from the apostles and disciples?


Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Come now, some are not reading all the precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little, and there a little. .

Ya.. you pulled that scripture right out of context dealing with the decree out of Jerusalem commanding Jewish converts not to harass gentile converts with the law of Moses which included the Sabbath. I noticed that you didn't call the above scripture you reference the "decree" like you did the last time. Twist upon twist ... lie upon lie... here a little deception and there a little deception... with repetition and more repetition.

The Decree:
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“Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law'—to whom we gave no such commandment— it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.”

There is nothing in the above decree commanding gentiles to observe the Sabbath. You deliberately pulled that scripture out of context knowing it had nothing to do with commanding gentiles to preach Moses every Sabbath. What ends will people go to to continue violating Christ's decree?

 

[LT]

Some people think that I have gone full on "Hebrew Roots" because of my recent Sabbath observances. I feel that I must clarify why I have been doing this:

i don't feel that I've put myself under the Law, but just am testing if there is any blessing in Saturday Sabbath.

It's not that I feel I must, but just that I wanted to either disprove or prove that a Saturday Sabbath holds any blessing for Christians.

It's just a test, not a conversion to the Law.

 

[SolidGround]

My friend, you cannot allow the old testament to take a higher importance than the new. By so doing, you are saying that Christ's blood was spilled in vain. The old was a shadow of the new. You are going to have to accept that if you ever expect to become perfect (mature) in Christ and digest strong meat.
I hope so, and if you are right, you are going to have to accept what Christ did for you, how He did it for you and why He did it for you. You certainly are not accomplishing that yet.

I certainly have accepted that the Blood of Christ is more than enough to save me.
I know that nothing can remove me from the salvation which I have already obtained.
My Lord and Savior is Jesus Christ, who freed me from my sin, and the penalty of the Law.

You are right in saying that I have accomplished nothing.
But Christ has certainly accomplished a great thing in me!


As I said before, I worship on Sunday. My work week starts on Monday, so that is the 1st day.
Sunday is the last day of my week. It is my 7th day.
I rest from all my work on Sunday.
I praise God for His wisdom in claiming the 7th day for rest! I really need it!

I will not argue with the one who holds Sunday as holy... nor the one who holds Saturday holy.
Let each one be convicted in their own conscience, and hold to what they deem holy!

 

[SolidGround]

Some people think that I have gone full on "Hebrew Roots" because of my recent Sabbath observances. I feel that I must clarify why I have been doing this:

i don't feel that I've put myself under the Law, but just am testing if there is any blessing in Saturday Sabbath.

It's not that I feel I must, but just that I wanted to either disprove or prove that a Saturday Sabbath holds any blessing for Christians.

It's just a test, not a conversion to the Law.

honestly, I expect more from you, and you know that. grow a backbone. get some conviction.
thou shalt not test the Lord thy God.
you know what i mean little brother. we've had this talk before.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Some people think that I have gone full on "Hebrew Roots" because of my recent Sabbath observances. I feel that I must clarify why I have been doing this:

i don't feel that I've put myself under the Law, but just am testing if there is any blessing in Saturday Sabbath.

It's not that I feel I must, but just that I wanted to either disprove or prove that a Saturday Sabbath holds any blessing for Christians.

It's just a test, not a conversion to the Law.

As a blood bought son, you actually do have the freedom and liberty.

 

[RedTent]

Honestly, it is hard to say anything either way yet. I've been keeping a journal, and plan to go for at least one more week (a full month was my commitment). I can't say it hasn't been a blessing, because I have truly enjoyed the time of separation from normal activities, but I also can't yet say whether it was due to it being a specific day of the week, or just that I need to spend more time with God in general.

I'll share more next week when I complete my commitment, and review my journal.

Have patience, LT.

I am 88. When I was 14 I was living in an unfinished attic, told I was not wanted in a house, I was in misery. One day, hidden under a bush I found a huge patch of tiny violets, deep purple velvet with bright yellow centers. It was beauty, it was hope, it was God showing me His presence. I breathed in the beauty then, it sustained me, but it was only now that I understand, 74 years later.

 

[LT]

honestly, I expect more from you, and you know that. grow a backbone. get some conviction.
thou shalt not test the Lord thy God.
you know what i mean little brother. we've had this talk before.

Yes, we have.
I will be more clear, just for you:

I have felt convicted to observe the Sabbath each Saturday for a month.



Happy now?

 

[Angela53510]

You have been blinded to truth! And you are teaching what isn't truth. I cringe for you.

To obey what God gave us to draw nearer to God is "crossing over to the realm of the orthodox Jew" whatever you think that means to a Christian walk. Should we take Luther up on his suggestion that we murder rabbis?

The council who decided gentiles were to do those 4 things decided on them so gentiles would be accepted in synagogue, and that was so they could hear scripture. The only scripture was the OT, synagogue was where it was taught. The head of the council was James the Just, brother of Jesus, a Jew. Hearing scripture so they would know God was the purpose of those rules for the gentiles.

Even as opposed as Paul was to teaching rituals instead of the gospel, he didn't have your opinion of those rituals. Paul said it wasn't right for Jews to teach gentiles that it was rituals that was the key to being a member of the church. Your rant against anything of the Jews is not biblical, it is stretching a truth until it is not anything like truth any more. It is taking what was once from God, Himself, and dragging it through the mud.

Rituals that lead to a spiritual obedience are not sinful in themselves, scripture does not say so. It is biblical that it is wrong to use a ritual for salvation instead of Christ. That would be terrible and lead to death. It would also be very wrong to say, as the Jews did, that they were necessary. But when you present them as something God did wrong to suggest them, it is just as wrong as Jews saying they are necessary.

You have been told not to judge by the day chosen, yet your entire post is doing just that, and it was scripture that told you not to do it.

What you say is read by hundreds, to misrepresent scripture as you are doing is very serious.

Interesting! In my post I had 8 lines of Scripture, and 7 of my own writing.

I'm too lazy to count how many lines you wrote, Redtent, but I do not see one line of Scripture. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen you post a verse of Scripture, just spout off about keeping the law, and how all of us "antinomians" love to sin freely. Try actually finding some New Testament verses about celebrating the Sabbath, posting them, instead of your own words all the time. This is the Bible Discussion Forum.

As for WomanLovesTx, the reason the Gentiles went to the Synagogue on the Sabbath, was because that is where they met as they were accustomed to doing, until they were kicked out of the synagogues for believing the Messiah had come, They started house churches which met day to day in Acts and the Bible says that the biggest celebration was on the first day of the week. And they were soon reading the letters of Paul, Peter, James John. Peter even notes that Paul's letter are difficult to understand.

"And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, [SUP]16 [/SUP]as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures." 2 Peter 3:15-16.

That verse says they know and read Paul's letters, which is our New Testament.

As for celebrating on the first day of the week, perhaps you are not familiar with the New Testament enough to understand the reasons WHY we celebrate together on the first day of the week!

"On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight." Acts 20:7

"Now concerning the collection for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. [SUP]2 [/SUP]On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come." 1 Cor. 16:1-2

Both the commemoration of the Lord's supper and collections were done on the first day of the week.

"Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb." John 20:1

In addition, Jesus first appeared to the disciples on the first day of the week.

"On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” John 20:19. (Please notice how John clarifies it is the first day, so no one misunderstands!)

So why? To celebrate Christ's resurrection, which happened on the first day of the week.

"Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb." John 20:1

"Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord”—and that he had said these things to her." John 20:18

That is why we meet on Sunday, not Saturday. (And because the early church did in the Bible -not a pagan plot at all!!)

I guess the law and Sabbath keeping do go hand in hand!

So glad Christ set me free from the law! I just pray that each day, I bear fruit for the Lord!

"Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God." Romans 7:4

 

[phil112]

It isn't about higher and lower ground, it is about listening to God's word. You are saying by looking at something, you must cut off the shadow of it. There are details in the shadow, too. If you decide to blind yourself to the entire picture but only accept one portion of it, you are not going to be able to correctly see the portion you accept. You are trying to block out the shadow in your picture of God.

It is like building the second story of a house and using a crow bar on the first story. The entire house comes tumbling down, as many of the posts on cc have proven. Without knowing the truths in the first, the understanding of the finish is distorted.

Come on now! That post is just nonsense. You are advocating keeping the sabbath as a command from God, when the bible clearly and pointedly shows that to be a doctrine of man(keeping it today). You want to keep it? Okay. LT is trying it? Fine. Nothing wrong with either example. But don't sit at that keyboard and tell lies. There is no commandment for us to keep it. Paul said so many times. We are clearly told it was a covenant between God and Israel, and as God's original plan unfolds, it is replaced by faith. Love triumphs all sin, all law. If we live in love, as Christ commanded, There will never be any need or application in our lives for law.
By rejecting the 5th chapter of Galatians you are intentionally denying Christ. I pray that what you are doing will sink in. That is not a good thing.
Christ made us free...no longer under bondage. Under bondage from what? The law. If you accept the sabbath as a commandment to you today, you are accepting the law. The only thing the sabbath ever was in the bible, was decreed by law.
And what did Paul say about that?

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

You are wandering off the straight and narrow. Come back while you can still hear voices of those looking for you.

 

[LovePink]

Hey Matt,

Cool on this for you,

I keep the Sabbath, but it has nothing to do with my Salvation.

Do you believe you can lose your salvation?

 

[Rockbysea]

As Paul said at the first Christian council (the Jerusalem Council) to the Judiazers:

"Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? [SUP]11 [/SUP]But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.” Acts 15:10-11

This council determined that even Peter had lost his way, going back to his "Hebrew Roots".

I’d just like to point out in the defense of Peter that it wasn’t Paul you quoted in the above scripture but it was Peter:

"And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: 'Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?'"

 

[RedTent]

Some people think that I have gone full on "Hebrew Roots" because of my recent Sabbath observances. I feel that I must clarify why I have been doing this:

i don't feel that I've put myself under the Law, but just am testing if there is any blessing in Saturday Sabbath.

It's not that I feel I must, but just that I wanted to either disprove or prove that a Saturday Sabbath holds any blessing for Christians.

It's just a test, not a conversion to the Law.

You have shown such maturity, such devotion to the Lord, I expected more from you than this.

When God speaks of people under the law, God speaks of people without Christ to save them from the law, God would never say not to listen to God, and God teaches the law. it is Holy. It is for our benefit. It is to guide us. God would never, never say to not listen to His guidance. You are not under the law because you have Christ, not because you think God tells you to ignore the law. If you were under the law your would not have Christ, but only law to save you. That doesn't work.

When you decide to act in accordance to how God tells you to act, that is not "conversion to the law". It is following Christ.

 

[Rockbysea]

As for WomanLovesTx, the reason the Gentiles went to the Synagogue on the Sabbath, was because that is where they met as they were accustomed to doing, until they were kicked out ...

I'd just like to know where in the scriptures it says the gentiles went to the synagogues on the Sabbath. It only says that in the old times in every city Moses was preached in the synagogues every Sabbath. It does not say that "Gentiles went to the Synagogue on the Sabbath."

 

[Spokenpassage]

I'd just like to know where in the scriptures it says the gentiles went to the synagogues on the Sabbath. It only says that in the old times in every city Moses was preached in the synagogues every Sabbath. It does not say that "Gentiles went to the Synagogue on the Sabbath."

I think she was meaning Jews

 

[RedTent]

Interesting! In my post I had 8 lines of Scripture, and 7 of my own writing.

I'm too lazy to count how many lines you wrote, Redtent, but I do not see one line of Scripture. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen you post a verse of Scripture, just spout off about keeping the law, and how all of us "antinomians" love to sin freely. Try actually finding some New Testament verses about celebrating the Sabbath, posting them, instead of your own words all the time. This is the Bible Discussion Forum.

As for WomanLovesTx, the reason the Gentiles went to the Synagogue on the Sabbath, was because that is where they met as they were accustomed to doing, until they were kicked out of the synagogues for believing the Messiah had come, They started house churches which met day to day in Acts and the Bible says that the biggest celebration was on the first day of the week. And they were soon reading the letters of Paul, Peter, James John. Peter even notes that Paul's letter are difficult to understand.

"And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, [SUP]16 [/SUP]as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures." 2 Peter 3:15-16.

That verse says they know and read Paul's letters, which is our New Testament.

As for celebrating on the first day of the week, perhaps you are not familiar with the New Testament enough to understand the reasons WHY we celebrate together on the first day of the week!

"On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight." Acts 20:7

"Now concerning the collection for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. [SUP]2 [/SUP]On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come." 1 Cor. 16:1-2

Both the commemoration of the Lord's supper and collections were done on the first day of the week.

"Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb." John 20:1

In addition, Jesus first appeared to the disciples on the first day of the week.

"On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” John 20:19. (Please notice how John clarifies it is the first day, so no one misunderstands!)

So why? To celebrate Christ's resurrection, which happened on the first day of the week.

"Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb." John 20:1

"Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord”—and that he had said these things to her." John 20:18

That is why we meet on Sunday, not Saturday. (And because the early church did in the Bible -not a pagan plot at all!!)

I guess the law and Sabbath keeping do go hand in hand!

So glad Christ set me free from the law! I just pray that each day, I bear fruit for the Lord!

"Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God." Romans 7:4

And I resent your copy and paste of scripture, as if I didn't read the bible. In my posts there is never anything that does not refer to scripture, expecting the reader to have a bible.

When you are set free of the law, you are set free of God, for the law is of God. You can not bear fruit for the Lord without the Lord. Until you accept the words of the Lord, what you do is for the demons, not for the Lord.

 

[danschance]

1., 2., 3., are False teaching

4., Is true.

The Bible teaches us to Worship on the First day of the Week, which is Sunday.

I would disagree with that slightly. The bible says all days are the same. So we can worship on any day if it does not violate our conscience. The early Church chose to go to Church on the Lord's day because that was the day that Christ rose from the dead. Yet we are free to gather on any day.

 

[LovePink]

Phil,

"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."

They have to be established by the gospel of our salvation for this to apply.

 

[LovePink]

Some people think that I have gone full on "Hebrew Roots" because of my recent Sabbath observances. I feel that I must clarify why I have been doing this:

i don't feel that I've put myself under the Law, but just am testing if there is any blessing in Saturday Sabbath.

It's not that I feel I must, but just that I wanted to either disprove or prove that a Saturday Sabbath holds any blessing for Christians.

It's just a test, not a conversion to the Law.

LT,

Would our apostle Paul say, "I am afraid of you", maybe not, but he would surely say it to some on this thread, take heed. For your encouragement and edification, two things, in Christ;

"All things are lawful unto me" & Eph 1:3 kjv. Maybe next Saturday while you are finishing this thing out for yourself, read all of Ephesians, it is our second foundational doctrine epistle.



Grace and peace to you.

 

[phil112]

Phil,

"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."

They have to be established by the gospel of our salvation for this to apply.

I beg to differ, but you are making a bit of an assumption. Paul is talking to the early church and trying to encourage them to ignore jewish doctrine that relies on the law. Those early believers had only known jewish law as their guide and Paul was teaching them (and us) the better way. He was discouraging them from falling under the enchantment of those that would lead them back under the law, where grace was of no effect - just like happens today.
This was happening to proselytes, as well as those who were "established" in the gospel. As a matter of fact, it was most likely occurring to those who were not yet established.

 

[JaumeJ]

Pasting from another post...........
Whether one observes Sunday or the Seventh Day, it is a gift to mankind to rest from the six laborial days, and to enhance our personal relation with God.

I prefer the day in the order it occurred. It seems awkward to me to even think of the Sabbath of the Lord as being akin to the first day of creation. That just does not make sense to me.

If it does to any others in the sight of Yahweh, then according to Paul there is no guilt, no sin. I will stick with the original order.

As for being at rest seven days, well, I still work six of them though retired. No one ever truly retires from "work." Also we have works produced by faith which are seven days a week. There is need of works by faith until the day the Lord comes for us.

We cannot fault mankind for what God has said; no reason to fault Him. After all, He is perfect.