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Hebrews 10:25
(25) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Numbers 8:9
(9) And thou shalt bring the Levites before the tabernacle of the congregation: and thou shalt gather the whole assembly of the children of Israel together:
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Unforgiving, its doesn’t sound like my God Jesus or the Holy Spirit, Just the opposite I would think.
When you think about it you already keep 9 of the commandments 90%
You say you are not under the law and yet you keep 9 out of 10 commandments already.
It’s just the Sabbath day you are having trouble with, a bit like me, struggling to find the right church.
If you are keeping 9 of the commandments already. Could you not stretch your faith just a little by 10% and keep the Sabbath.
We are not saved by the law, but we keep the 10 because we want too, because it is written in our hearts, as it is in yours. You already are keeping 9
When you think about it you already keep 9 of the commandments 90%
You say you are not under the law and yet you keep 9 out of 10 commandments already.
It’s just the Sabbath day you are having trouble with, a bit like me, struggling to find the right church.
If you are keeping 9 of the commandments already. Could you not stretch your faith just a little by 10% and keep the Sabbath.
We are not saved by the law, but we keep the 10 because we want too, because it is written in our hearts, as it is in yours. You already are keeping 9
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While we may disagree on the Sabbath I agree with you on that. The Bible says this.
Romans 6:23
(23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The Law demands us to be perfect, it only took one little sin for Adam & Eve to be kicked out of the garden, in the same way the Law demands us to be perfect, something we cannot provide but, we are not only saved by the death of Christ, but by His life. He lived a perfect life for us.
Romans 5:10
(10) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
If Jesus would have died as a child then we could still not receive salvation cause not only do we need our sin taken away but we need a perfect life in its place.
2 Corinthians 5:21
(21) For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Romans 6:23
(23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The Law demands us to be perfect, it only took one little sin for Adam & Eve to be kicked out of the garden, in the same way the Law demands us to be perfect, something we cannot provide but, we are not only saved by the death of Christ, but by His life. He lived a perfect life for us.
Romans 5:10
(10) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
If Jesus would have died as a child then we could still not receive salvation cause not only do we need our sin taken away but we need a perfect life in its place.
2 Corinthians 5:21
(21) For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
I don't keep any of the commandments. I'm not 90% good. I'm 100% sinful. I need the Lord's forgiveness continually.
Romans 3:19-20
19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
I've been trying to say this and must not be doing a good job. The Law shows you your sin. The only time it doesn't show you your sin is if you water it down and make it something you can keep, and therefore you would be righteous under your own works. No flesh is righteous under their own works. All flesh is guilty before God.
Now, before you get depressed, we have a Saviour.
Romans 3:21-26
21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Now, when I break any of the commandments, it is not habitual. It is momentary and I can ask for the Lords forgiveness. When I get angry, it is just for a moment and I ask for forgiveness. When I have lust, it is just for a moment and I ask for forgiveness. When I covet, it is just for a moment and I ask for forgiveness.
But truthfully, if I am continually breaking His commandments, I can't say I keep the Law, can I? All I can say is I tried. Trying is not good enough. The Law is unforgiving and demands Justice. Thankfully I have a Saviour. His name is Jesus Christ.
God Bless You
Romans 3:19-20
19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
I've been trying to say this and must not be doing a good job. The Law shows you your sin. The only time it doesn't show you your sin is if you water it down and make it something you can keep, and therefore you would be righteous under your own works. No flesh is righteous under their own works. All flesh is guilty before God.
Now, before you get depressed, we have a Saviour.
Romans 3:21-26
21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Now, when I break any of the commandments, it is not habitual. It is momentary and I can ask for the Lords forgiveness. When I get angry, it is just for a moment and I ask for forgiveness. When I have lust, it is just for a moment and I ask for forgiveness. When I covet, it is just for a moment and I ask for forgiveness.
But truthfully, if I am continually breaking His commandments, I can't say I keep the Law, can I? All I can say is I tried. Trying is not good enough. The Law is unforgiving and demands Justice. Thankfully I have a Saviour. His name is Jesus Christ.
God Bless You
Yeshua didn't save us from the law, nor does it say that anywhere in scripture. He saved us from the curse of the law, which is death for our sins if we don't repent. It goes even further, that we were the bride of YHVH, but because of continual spiritual adultery YHVH divorced us. Yeshua stepped up and took our punishment so we can be restored back unto Him. This is why we are now called the bride of Messiah.
The Torah/law is the revealer of our sins, and the punishment for breaking the Torah is death, Yeshua came and took that death upon Him. But He did not, nor does the Bible indicate it that He said we are free from obeying YHVH's Commandments. YHVH has not changed, not one bit. Yeshua said, "What I say, is not of myself, but what my Father gives me." He also said "I love my Father, and keep His commandments, there if you love me keep my commandments" Here Yeshua is telling us the commandments are all the same.
It is not hard to keep YHVH's commandments, to say we can't keep them under our own power is silly. We can't live for YHVH in anyway under our own power. He gives us the wisdom and strength to do all these. Are you saying God can save you,but not give you the ability to keep His Commandments?
Following the law does not make you sinless, we make mistakes. Following the law makes you an obedient child of YHVH. Ignoring the law makes you a sinful and disobedient child, whom YHVH will cast away.
Rev. 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Right here in the end of YHVH's master piece of a book. He emphasizes one more time His want of us to keep His Commandments.
You're telling me by turning our back to the law and following Yeshua we are keeping the law? Do you realize how rediculous that sounds? Yeshua is Torah, He is the law. John 1:1-3,14.
If you have kids, does the rules of the house show your kids how to love, or do you show them how to love. And even though you show them how to love, does that minimize yours rules on how to live right? No it doesn't
He is the Lord of the Sabbath is a quote from Lev. 23:3. And YHVH DOES give us direction on exactly how to keep Sabbath, it is all over the Bible, both OTand NT.
Brother, you have no arguement except you just deciding to do things your way. Because you're not doing things Yeshua's way. Because scripture says contrary to what you are claiming, which automatically makes you wrong. Shalom
The Torah/law is the revealer of our sins, and the punishment for breaking the Torah is death, Yeshua came and took that death upon Him. But He did not, nor does the Bible indicate it that He said we are free from obeying YHVH's Commandments. YHVH has not changed, not one bit. Yeshua said, "What I say, is not of myself, but what my Father gives me." He also said "I love my Father, and keep His commandments, there if you love me keep my commandments" Here Yeshua is telling us the commandments are all the same.
It is not hard to keep YHVH's commandments, to say we can't keep them under our own power is silly. We can't live for YHVH in anyway under our own power. He gives us the wisdom and strength to do all these. Are you saying God can save you,but not give you the ability to keep His Commandments?
Following the law does not make you sinless, we make mistakes. Following the law makes you an obedient child of YHVH. Ignoring the law makes you a sinful and disobedient child, whom YHVH will cast away.
Rev. 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Right here in the end of YHVH's master piece of a book. He emphasizes one more time His want of us to keep His Commandments.
You're telling me by turning our back to the law and following Yeshua we are keeping the law? Do you realize how rediculous that sounds? Yeshua is Torah, He is the law. John 1:1-3,14.
If you have kids, does the rules of the house show your kids how to love, or do you show them how to love. And even though you show them how to love, does that minimize yours rules on how to live right? No it doesn't
He is the Lord of the Sabbath is a quote from Lev. 23:3. And YHVH DOES give us direction on exactly how to keep Sabbath, it is all over the Bible, both OTand NT.
Brother, you have no arguement except you just deciding to do things your way. Because you're not doing things Yeshua's way. Because scripture says contrary to what you are claiming, which automatically makes you wrong. Shalom
You're right, we are to Glorify Yeshua's name always, no arguement their.
What is this suppose to mean?
You say all of Matthew 5, well how about Matt. 5:17-19
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Last I checked, heaven and earth have not passed away, therefore neither has one jot or one tittle of the Torah passed away.
The pharisees and the sadducees taught talmud and mishna, (Mishna is a rabbinical claim of oral law from Moses, which is false, talmud is a commentary of the mishna from hundreds of rabbis over the centuries, starting around 300 b.c.)
They taught this to be held above the word of GOD, this is why Yeshua said
Mark 7:6-8 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is wriien: "This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." "For laying aside the Commandments of God, you hold the tradition of men...
In no way was Yeshua speaking against Torah, He is Torah, and therefore He would be speaking against Himself.
What is this suppose to mean?
You say all of Matthew 5, well how about Matt. 5:17-19
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Last I checked, heaven and earth have not passed away, therefore neither has one jot or one tittle of the Torah passed away.
The pharisees and the sadducees taught talmud and mishna, (Mishna is a rabbinical claim of oral law from Moses, which is false, talmud is a commentary of the mishna from hundreds of rabbis over the centuries, starting around 300 b.c.)
They taught this to be held above the word of GOD, this is why Yeshua said
Mark 7:6-8 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is wriien: "This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." "For laying aside the Commandments of God, you hold the tradition of men...
In no way was Yeshua speaking against Torah, He is Torah, and therefore He would be speaking against Himself.
Ok. He saved us from the Curse of the Law. Therefore the power of the Law no longer has affect on saved Christians. We are saved from the curse of the Law.
You seem to contradict yourself in these two statements. You either Keep the Law, or you break the Law. This is kind of my point. If we make mistakes then we cannot keep the Law. We can TRY to keep the Law. But we cannot keep the Law perfectly for any length of time. And that is why I say Jesus has to save us from this problem we have.
Well what happens when you try to keep the Law perfectly? Don't you have to call on the name of the Lord for Salvation because you can't do it? Isn't this why we are saved, and why we are blessed, because we call on the name of the Lord Jesus to Save us??
I know the Lord Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. I also know that I need the Lord to even be able to try to follow Him. I am weak. But He is strong.
I am not doing things my way. If it were my way I would not need the Lord Jesus. I could do it all myself. I wouldn't need help. I would have all the power. Do you think I enjoy being weak? I have been strong my whole life, I thought. Now the Lord has shown me it was all a mirage. I can do nothing without the Lord Jesus.
I know that the Lord Jesus did not remove the Law. He did not destroy the Law. He fulfilled the Law. It is only by trying to keep the Law perfectly that we realize we are not able. We realize we need a saviour from the wrath of God that we deserve for not keeping His Law.
The peace of the Lord Jesus is an awesome thing. That is what Shalom means, right? The peace of the Lord be upon you... Shalom.
God Bless You
If Gods Law could be altered or taken away, then there would have been no need for Jesus to come. the very fact that Jesus came and died is testimony to the unchangeable nature of the law.
can we keep the Law?
answer: no.
can Jesus keep the law?
Answer: yes.
so then we know if Jesus is in us if we keep the whole law.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
In fact if Christ is in us we can not sin.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
John is clear that sin is the breaking of the law of God and this is the preface of his latter statements.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
of those who follow after Christ he says.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
simple those who are practice righteousness are righteous just like Christ is righteous. why?
Answer: because Christ lives in them and they can not do their own works but the works of he who is in them.
Jesus used these words when speaking to the religious leaders:
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
notice that Jesus said that the truth shall make them free. free from what?
Sin, for whoever sins is a slave to sin. but he who has the Son shall be free.
So if the one who sins is a slave to sin, (under bondage).
Then if Jesus has made you free then you must not be under bondage any more and thus not sinning.
Sin = slave to sin = bondage
Freedom = slave to Christ = not sinning/keeping the law.
Paul understood this concept clearly in Romans he says.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
notice you are either a slave to sin or to obedience through Christ. one or the other.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
so look at his example here.
slave to sin = free from righteousness
servant to God = fruit of holiness.
It is very clear that we can and should not be in both camps. Jesus explained it in these words.
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Either we serve God and sin is overcome or we serve Satan and Righteousness is overcome.
remember that there is only one definition in the entire bible of what sin is. while there are many examples there is only one definition.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
therefore If I am free from Sin then I must be free from breaking the Law. How?
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Christ in me the hope of Glory.
It is Him in me doing the good works. I simply submit to Him.
Those who say we are not able to keep the law of God are saying that Christ can not do it in us.
what is righteousness?
Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
The natural man can never keep the Law of God. but we are no longer human if the God of heaven dwells in us.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Praise God we are free from sin. and freed from bondage that we are able to keep the law in which it was impossible to keep before Christ came inot our hearts.
You who say its impossible to keep the whole Law. invite Christ into your hearts and this will change. claim the promise of the Holy Spirit.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
blessings.
can we keep the Law?
answer: no.
can Jesus keep the law?
Answer: yes.
so then we know if Jesus is in us if we keep the whole law.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
In fact if Christ is in us we can not sin.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
John is clear that sin is the breaking of the law of God and this is the preface of his latter statements.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
of those who follow after Christ he says.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
simple those who are practice righteousness are righteous just like Christ is righteous. why?
Answer: because Christ lives in them and they can not do their own works but the works of he who is in them.
Jesus used these words when speaking to the religious leaders:
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
notice that Jesus said that the truth shall make them free. free from what?
Sin, for whoever sins is a slave to sin. but he who has the Son shall be free.
So if the one who sins is a slave to sin, (under bondage).
Then if Jesus has made you free then you must not be under bondage any more and thus not sinning.
Sin = slave to sin = bondage
Freedom = slave to Christ = not sinning/keeping the law.
Paul understood this concept clearly in Romans he says.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
notice you are either a slave to sin or to obedience through Christ. one or the other.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
so look at his example here.
slave to sin = free from righteousness
servant to God = fruit of holiness.
It is very clear that we can and should not be in both camps. Jesus explained it in these words.
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Either we serve God and sin is overcome or we serve Satan and Righteousness is overcome.
remember that there is only one definition in the entire bible of what sin is. while there are many examples there is only one definition.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
therefore If I am free from Sin then I must be free from breaking the Law. How?
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Christ in me the hope of Glory.
It is Him in me doing the good works. I simply submit to Him.
Those who say we are not able to keep the law of God are saying that Christ can not do it in us.
what is righteousness?
Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
The natural man can never keep the Law of God. but we are no longer human if the God of heaven dwells in us.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Praise God we are free from sin. and freed from bondage that we are able to keep the law in which it was impossible to keep before Christ came inot our hearts.
You who say its impossible to keep the whole Law. invite Christ into your hearts and this will change. claim the promise of the Holy Spirit.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
blessings.
Thank you all for your thoughts and comments. Here are my final words on this. There is ample evidence in the OT and the NT of keeping Sabbath. One of my favorites that cannot be argued, is Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils, And they rested on the Sabbath ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT.
Right here we have very clear scripture. It only takes one verse to show something to be from YHVH. Anyone who tries to use some other verse to prove any verse wrong is playing with fire. That means you're trying to use God's word to disprove God's Word, that is dangerous all the way around.
YHVH said, HE is God He does not change, He also said He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. If we see the Bible says one thing and we think another verse says different, than we are the ones misinterpreting scripture. YHVH's word is infallible and does not speak against itself. Yeshua is Torah therfore He cannot speak against Torah.
To Grandpa, I'll ask you again, if you have kids, even though you love them, if they come to you and say, "I'll probably screw up trying to keep your commandments, so I'm not even going to try." Are you going to tell them, oh, ok no big deal. You throw out my rules and just do what you want. If you're a good and just dad, which I'm sure you are if you have kids. I know you're not going to allow that excuse to wash. You're going to tell them they have to obey your rules regardless. It's the samething, since YHVH gave us salvation through His Son, that just made it all the more, that we will have no excuse when we stand before Him. Shalom
Right here we have very clear scripture. It only takes one verse to show something to be from YHVH. Anyone who tries to use some other verse to prove any verse wrong is playing with fire. That means you're trying to use God's word to disprove God's Word, that is dangerous all the way around.
YHVH said, HE is God He does not change, He also said He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. If we see the Bible says one thing and we think another verse says different, than we are the ones misinterpreting scripture. YHVH's word is infallible and does not speak against itself. Yeshua is Torah therfore He cannot speak against Torah.
To Grandpa, I'll ask you again, if you have kids, even though you love them, if they come to you and say, "I'll probably screw up trying to keep your commandments, so I'm not even going to try." Are you going to tell them, oh, ok no big deal. You throw out my rules and just do what you want. If you're a good and just dad, which I'm sure you are if you have kids. I know you're not going to allow that excuse to wash. You're going to tell them they have to obey your rules regardless. It's the samething, since YHVH gave us salvation through His Son, that just made it all the more, that we will have no excuse when we stand before Him. Shalom
P
Interesting.
You seem to think that if you keep the commandments you can obtain some high level of good.
When Jesus said there is non-good but one.
It’s not about reaching some high level of good; it’s about faith obedience pleasing God.
As far as I can see, keeping the commandments is not about salvation it’s about faith obedience pleasing God and walking uprightly.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
You seem to want me to break one of these least commandments and teach men to do it too.
You seem to think that if you keep the commandments you can obtain some high level of good.
When Jesus said there is non-good but one.
It’s not about reaching some high level of good; it’s about faith obedience pleasing God.
As far as I can see, keeping the commandments is not about salvation it’s about faith obedience pleasing God and walking uprightly.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
You seem to want me to break one of these least commandments and teach men to do it too.
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The title of this thread is "Sabbath made for man". It is meant to show that the sabbath is a good day, a day blessed by God. Those who don't keep the sabbath are missing out on a blessing by God.
Mark 2:27-28
(27) And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
(28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
The sabbath was made for man for our benefit, God made the sabbath to be a blessing to us.
Deuteronomy 6:24-25
(24) And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.
(25) And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
Romans 7:12
(12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Mark 2:27-28
(27) And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
(28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
The sabbath was made for man for our benefit, God made the sabbath to be a blessing to us.
Deuteronomy 6:24-25
(24) And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.
(25) And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
Romans 7:12
(12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Well I'm not God. I'm not going to send my son to be crucified because my other kids cannot keep my rules. I am sinful, just like my children. I enforce my rules but I know when I was a kid I didn't follow all the rules either.
Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
There will be no excuses when you stand before God. What will you say? Will you say you followed His Law and deserve to be in Heaven? Not me... I will say I trusted in Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
So you enforced the rules? So why is it you think YHVH's ok with us throwing His out?
NO keeping Torah does not earn us into Heaven, I already said that. But it does show YHVH we love Him, as the BIble says, and it shows Him we want to please Him, especially since He gave us free salvation through His Son.
Matt. 7:11 doesn't go with what we are talking about.
You're going to tell Him you trusted in Jesus? Then He's going to ask you why you didn't keep His Commandments as His Son told you to?
NO keeping Torah does not earn us into Heaven, I already said that. But it does show YHVH we love Him, as the BIble says, and it shows Him we want to please Him, especially since He gave us free salvation through His Son.
Matt. 7:11 doesn't go with what we are talking about.
You're going to tell Him you trusted in Jesus? Then He's going to ask you why you didn't keep His Commandments as His Son told you to?