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JaumeJ

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Think about it. The seventh day, thousand years is as but a day when it is passed to our Father.

If one believes the Word, and also understands the year according to the Biblical calendar begun by the Hebrews, and employed throughout the Old Testament, then here in the year 5777, we are very close to what could be called the beginning of the seventh day.

The Hebrws who devised the calendar used only the numbers furnished in Genesis, that is of the genealogies. Now tey were aware that some of the numbers of years were missing, and in order not to break God's law they would not add to nor take away from HIs Word, so they used only the numbers availed to them.

With only those numbers the genealogies missing could amount to many years depending on the ages of the people missing, thus we could be within ten years of the seventh day.

Think what you want, but when God says there is a thousand years of peace to come with our Lord, Jesus, ruling on the earth, I pay attention.

If you wish to say "pay the consequesces," perhaps you are spot on correct. I sure do not want to pay the consequeces for changing the order of creattion, when it could well be the order of its existence. Of course we must wait for this mystery to be truly revealed.
 

JaumeJ

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Your comment on "law as Jesus teaahes" is already clearly addressed within the post.
 

JaumeJ

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Faith is a gift from the Father Who leads us to Jesus Christ.....and no man comes to the Father except by Jesus Christ. Sounds conflicting.......it takes believing with the gift from God of faith to continue in faith.

As for the law, you named ceremonial laws.....they are obviously behind us alon with any kind of sacrifice other than thanksgiving. You know well Jesus is our High Priest and we are made priests to the Most High God.......so there go the laws of Levitical priesthood. YOu know the ones that are fulfilled.........

YOu know the ones that are eternal. Why do you ask as though you do not?
 

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More tips if you're attempting to achieve blessing by keeping the Sabbath

instead of toast, buy a bag of rolls the day before. Then just dip them in olive oil on Saturday. That way there's no knife used to spread butter, so no need to wash dishes.
 

MarcR

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I completely agree that Sabbath observance is not mandatory for Christians. However in Lev 23:2 the word usually translated as 'feasts' was moaday which means appointments or appointed times. If a Christian desires to keep those divine appointments in Lev chapter 23 (not under law but out of desire) there is no reason he or she should not do so; and no ritual incumbent ob such observance.
 

JaumeJ

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Faith, mercy and Justice, if yo do not include these points, you do not understand the law as revealed by Christ in His gospel, the only gospel.
 

JaumeJ

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Your so-called tips on the sabbath are not concealing your accusation that anyone who believes teh Sabbath of the Lord is teh Seventh Day is under the law..

Give it up. You demonstrate also that you do not understand the law as revealed by Jesus Christ......faith, mercy and justice.

Jesus kept the Sabbath, but knowing good works may be done any day of the week, including cooking for others. You see it is the blinders of the veil of Moses still on people that they are incapable of understanding.


More tips if you're attempting to achieve blessing by keeping the Sabbath

instead of toast, buy a bag of rolls the day before. Then just dip them in olive oil on Saturday. That way there's no knife used to spread butter, so no need to wash dishes.
 

MarcR

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Please don't take this as me being critical or what not..... but if a person wants to keep the sabbath, they must keep all the laws of the sabbath. Anything less would be hypocritical to say "I'm keeping God's sabbath", while you're only keeping the seventh day sabbath.

First of all, as you know, there was not only the "seventh day" Sabbath, but the first and last days of the seven Old Testament feasts were special Sabbaths, to be observed just as a seventh day Sabbath. (See Exodus 12:1-6; and 14-16 and Leviticus 23:1-8).
So, there were at least 64 "Sabbaths" in each calendar year. Many weeks had multiple "Sabbaths", one a seventh day Sabbath, the other a "Holy Convocation", the first or last day of a feast. Often, there were Sabbath days back to back - two days in a row. And. probably just as often, a Feast day Sabbath occurred the same day as the seventh day Sabbath.

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/sabbaths.htm

If one feels under compulsion to keep the Sabbath under law then I would agree with you. However if a believer desires to keep the appointed times of Leviticus 23; not under law but out of desire, there is no law attached to such observance. Not only that, If a person desires to observe some of the appointed times; not under law but out of desire, there is no obligation to keep the others. The only obligation such a believer has under that circumstance is to refrain from imposing those desires on you.
 

JaumeJ

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Folks, why are so many so hot to destroy the SAbbath given us by God? It is a gift. It is just one of the ten, but I suspect Satan is behind much of this what with it being the commandment one of the ten, that is a specific gift from the Father to HIs childre with very special meaning.

As for the Ten, here they are listed and somewhat abbreviated. Read them and continue saying they are not good and dtrue for Children of the Most High God to attempt to do every day.
[h=3]The 10 Commandments List, Short Form[/h]
  1. You shall have no other gods before Me. Is this one wrong?
  2. You shall not make idols. What about this one?
  3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. This one?
  4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Most here are not even aware of what holy means.
  5. Honor your father and your mother. This one probably is a very bad one to some of you.
  6. You shall not murder. I was told by one very intellectual person that killing and murder are not the same?
  7. You shall not commit adultery. How many think adultery is a good practice in the sight of your spouse or God?
  8. You shall not steal. Do you believe this is a true career adn way to please the Father?
  9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. We all know who is the father of lies..so siars are his children.
  10. You shall not covet. Covet anything and you may get it forever, of course it will char in the fire.
 

MarcR

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The Sabbath is defined by God as the SEVENTH day of the week (Ge 2:2-3); which, if you look at any calendar, you will discover is still Saturday.

The Church generally observes the FIRST day of week because both the resurrection and Pentecost occurred on the FIRST day of the week. Even a casual reading of the book of Acts will persuade you that the first century Church generally kept both days.

The New Testament makes it very clear that believers are NOT under obligation to keep any day special. However the same passages that make that truth clear, make it equally clear that believers are equally free to follow their conscience in observing special days; and that they should NOT be judged for doing so.
 

MarcR

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I am sorry if my post upset anyone, it was not meant too.

I can not find any where in the Bible where God said we could chose which of the commandments we kept. Nor that we could change the day.

Yes Resurrection33, I chose not to join a church that does not keep the commandments,



I pray every day that God will put the truth in my heart and to show me the way.


Exodus 31:12–13 stresses again the truth that the sabbath signifies our utter reliance on God's grace.
And the Lord said to Moses, "Say to the people of Israel, You shall keep my sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you."
The sabbath is a sign. It points to a truth that we are never to forget. The truth is that God (and not we ourselves) has sanctified us. He has chosen us and set us apart and worked to make us distinct among the peoples of the earth.
June,

Your desire to keep Gods commandments to the best of your ability is commendable if and only if:

1) your relationship with God does NOT depend on your doing so; and
2) you do not impose that desire on others.
 

JaumeJ

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Most who read teh Bible and believe over a period of years or even right away for some realize that the Lordps supper was a seder or the Passover meal.

What most do not know is the Sabbath could just as readily been tone of the Sabbaths of Passover and not the Seventh Day Sabbath most assume it is.

If you or anyone is truly capable of revealing what day of the week the Lords's suppoer was, then you will know what day He arose from the tomb.

No matter whether you know or do not know, there is no teaching in the Word stating the Sabbath of the Lord has been changed, and this is truth.


The Sabbath is defined by God as the SEVENTH day of the week (Ge 2:2-3); which, if you look at any calendar, you will discover is still Saturday.

The Church generally observes the FIRST day of week because both the resurrection and Pentecost occurred on the FIRST day of the week. Even a casual reading of the book of Acts will persuade you that the first century Church generally kept both days.

The New Testament makes it very clear that believers are NOT under obligation to keep any day special. However the same passages that make that truth clear, make it equally clear that believers are equally free to follow their conscience in observing special days; and that they should NOT be judged for doing so.
 

JaumeJ

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Forgot to mention, it should also be stressed that our Lord and Svior in His gospel told us we should obey the commandments. He repeated this strongly in Revelation.

I know God has not changed the order of creation, I know He gav e us a day out of the week to be special with Him, I know Jesus cleared up all the ceremonial nonsense you do-nothing gracers associate with me and others who believe God before believeing you, so I will continue to keep the Seventh Day separate, whether I am obliged to work, travel, shop or whatever. You see, I do it uinderstanding faith in Jesus, mercy from Him always, and His justice.... It is a terrible pity others do not have this understanding taught by the Master, Himself.

God bless all who are seeking. PS, now stop telling those who remember the Sabbath of the Lord to keep it separate, that is, holy as being under the law as though you are saying under condemnation. It is any who believe tthat who are condemning, and that is not of Jesus Christ.
 

MarcR

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OOPS, I hit Post Quick Reply before I was finished, here is the rest of the above post.

Hebrews 7:12-22 (ESV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]who has become a priest, not on the basis of a legal requirement concerning bodily descent, but by the power of an indestructible life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For it is witnessed of him, “You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness
[SUP]19 [/SUP](for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And it was not without an oath. For those who formerly became priests were made such without an oath,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]but this one was made a priest with an oath by the one who said to him: “The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, ‘You are a priest forever.’”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.

DID HE THEN GIVE US A NEW WORSHIP COMMANDMENT?

HE SURE DID:

Hebrews 10:23-25 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Let us hold on to the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And let us be concerned about one another in order to promote love and good works,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]not staying away from our ⌊worship⌋ meetings, as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near.
You are certainly correct in all you have said. This makes an excellent defense of Christian liberty. I am not under Law but under grace. HOWEVER, if a person elects to obey, to the best of his or her ability, any or all of the OT commandments; there is nothing unchristian in doing so as long as such person realizes that their salvation is in no way connected with their doing or not doing what they choose to do; and as long as they do not impose their convictions on others.
 

MarcR

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[FONT=open_sansregular] "If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" ([/FONT]Matthew 19:17[FONT=open_sansregular]). Jesus' answer clearly showed He was speaking of the Ten Commandments.


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What you say is true. However, you do not seem to realize that Jesus was not addressing the Church, which did not yet exist, or even His followers. Jesus was addressing a man who was trying to please God through his own efforts. He was trying to tell him (and us) that it can not be done. To relate to God on His terms, we must depend on Jesus and what He has done for us; NOT on our own efforts. Once we realize that nothing we do or fail to do is the basis of our relationship with God or our Salvation, then anything we do to live godly lives is commendable.
 

MarcR

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Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not applicable to Christians under the New Covenant. Even when Christians set out to worship on the Sabbath, they aren’t truly "keeping the Sabbath." To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament would involve compliance with stringent regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath-day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). These were commanded by God to the sons of Israel. If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person say he keeps a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Christian Church? The Seventh-day Adventist church? Or the State? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under the Mosaic regulations.

St. Paul said in Galatians 4:9-11: "...You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."

In Romans 14:1-23, the Apostle Paul says: "... One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind.." In other words, for the Christian, the Apostle is saying that no day is to be regarded holier than another.

Although the Torah was read every Saturday in the synagogues, the early Gentile Christians were never commanded to be circumcised, or to rest on Saturday as the Jews were (Acts 15:1-21).

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

The early Christians began to worship God on Sunday (the Lord's Day), because the first day of the week became associated with Christ's resurrection (Matthew 28:1-10; Luke 24:1; John 20:1; Revelation 1:10). We see from Acts 20:7 and I Corinthians 16:1-3 that the early Church gathered together on the first day of every week in order to "break bread," and also to take up a "collection for the saints." Nowhere in the New Testament is the Church commanded to gather together to worship on the Jewish seventh day Sabbath. The Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches that the Roman Catholic Church originated Christian worship on Sunday.

History records that the early Christians were worshipping on Sunday as far back as the first and second centuries A.D. For example:

"But every Lord's Day, gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, so that your sacrifice may be pure." (Didache c. 80-140)

"No longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day." (Ignatius, c. 105) Ignatius here reveals that the “Lord’s Day” is separate from the Jewish Sabbath.

"I will make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. For that reason, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead." (Barnabas c. 70-130)

"And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read... But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God... made the world. And Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead on that same day." (Justin Martyr c. 160)

"There was no need of circumcision before Abraham. Nor was there need of the observance of Sabbaths, or of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses. Accordingly, there is no more need of them now." (Justin Martyr c. 160)

"We do not follow the Jews in their peculiarities in regard to food nor in their sacred days." (Tertullian c. 197)

"Just as the abolition of fleshly circumcision and of the old Law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary." (Tertullian c. 197)

"On the day of our Lord's resurrection, which is the Lord's Day, you should meet more diligently, sending praise to God who made the universe by Jesus... On this day, there is the reading of the Prophets, the preaching of the Gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, and the gift of the holy food." (Apostolic Constitutions, compiled c.390)

So the actual Sabbath day according to the Jews is sundown on our Friday to sundown on our Saturday.

Sabbath keeping [with all it's rules and regulations], was part of a covenant with Israel that is not applicable to Christians under the New Covenant and the Sabbath day did not change from Saturday to Sunday.

Christians worship God on Sunday (the Lord's Day), because the first day of the week became associated with Christ's resurrection (Matthew 28:1-10; Luke 24:1; John 20:1; Revelation 1:10).

We are not to get hung up on the Sabbath day, which is a shadow of things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ (Colossians 2:16-17).
Dan,
I usually agree with you on most of your posts; but I believe you are mistaken here.
If Sabbath keeping were done under compulsion of law; then you would be correct. However if a person believes that keeping the Sabbath has nothing to do with their Salvation or even their relationship with God; and keeps the Sabbath because it seems like the right thing to do, then Law has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
 

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More tips if you're attempting to achieve blessing by keeping the Sabbath

instead of toast, buy a bag of rolls the day before. Then just dip them in olive oil on Saturday. That way there's no knife used to spread butter, so no need to wash dishes.
Hilarious.. but remember how the Disciples picked and ate corn on Sabbath day?

If the burden is not a delight then maybe they would welcome such advice.. as for me.. I thank GOD for the New Covenant.
 

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There is no greater feeling than someone doing something because they love you.


when my children start doing good things because they love me I'm delighted.

The:you must becomes I shall and it is Love indeed.
 

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There is no greater feeling than someone doing something because they love you.


when my children start doing good things because they love me I'm delighted.

The:you must becomes I shall and it is Love indeed.
"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (1 John 5:3)
 
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I completely agree that Sabbath observance is not mandatory for Christians. However in Lev 23:2 the word usually translated as 'feasts' was moaday which means appointments or appointed times. If a Christian desires to keep those divine appointments in Lev chapter 23 (not under law but out of desire) there is no reason he or she should not do so; and no ritual incumbent ob such observance.
Amen and I have no problem with this....