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Your desire to keep Gods commandments to the best of your ability is commendable if and only if:

1) your relationship with God does NOT depend on your doing so; and
2) you do not impose that desire on others.
Absolutely..........again we have been set free in Christ and like one posted down below....the disciples picked corn (wheat) on the Sabbath day and Jesus makes his view on this very clear......same with the Sabbath rest........was it made for man or man for it......??
 
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What you say is true. However, you do not seem to realize that Jesus was not addressing the Church, which did not yet exist, or even His followers. Jesus was addressing a man who was trying to please God through his own efforts. He was trying to tell him (and us) that it can not be done. To relate to God on His terms, we must depend on Jesus and what He has done for us; NOT on our own efforts. Once we realize that nothing we do or fail to do is the basis of our relationship with God or our Salvation, then anything we do to live godly lives is commendable.
AMEN......the just shall live by faith........our relationship is based upon what Christ has done and does......we have had the righteousness of the law imputed through Christ and by faith.....our stance as a child of GOD is secure in Christ......the issue is now fellowship and being in the light as he is in the light.....regardless of our stance....our eternal relationship has been eternally secured by faith into the completed work of Christ on our behalf........
 
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The Sabbath is defined by God as the SEVENTH day of the week (Ge 2:2-3); which, if you look at any calendar, you will discover is still Saturday.

The Church generally observes the FIRST day of week because both the resurrection and Pentecost occurred on the FIRST day of the week. Even a casual reading of the book of Acts will persuade you that the first century Church generally kept both days.

The New Testament makes it very clear that believers are NOT under obligation to keep any day special. However the same passages that make that truth clear, make it equally clear that believers are equally free to follow their conscience in observing special days; and that they should NOT be judged for doing so.
Totally agree with this biblical stance...........this is what the bible teaches regardless of any and all who deny it.....^^^^^
 

JaumeJ

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When did man start teaching the Ten Commandments are no longer? It was not in my youth. It was not the Baptists or the Methodists, the Nazarene, the full godpel the charismatics..........not even the RCC as far as I remember.

The Ten Commandments were not offensive to any denomination, yet man, today, wishes to destroy God's will for His children.

How can this be? What is flesh to thin k it may supercede the eternal, the Spirit?

Poor, deficient creatures who would bend the truth to fit the material, yes, poverty stricken they are.

God bless all of God's obedient children, and may He have mercy on those disobedient to bring them to HIs light in Jesus Christ, amen.
 

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The Sabbath is defined by God as the SEVENTH day of the week (Ge 2:2-3); which, if you look at any calendar, you will discover is still Saturday.

The Church generally observes the FIRST day of week because both the resurrection and Pentecost occurred on the FIRST day of the week. Even a casual reading of the book of Acts will persuade you that the first century Church generally kept both days.

The New Testament makes it very clear that believers are NOT under obligation to keep any day special. However the same passages that make that truth clear, make it equally clear that believers are equally free to follow their conscience in observing special days; and that they should NOT be judged for doing so.
To bad we are forced to adhere to a calendar that a pope instigated rather than the original one in the Bible. It sure has created many controversies, hasn't it? Why are we naming the days rather than numbering them accordingly? Actually, because I'm retired, I observe Tuesday. I feel comfortable with that.
 
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When did man start teaching the Ten Commandments are no longer? It was not in my youth. It was not the Baptists or the Methodists, the Nazarene, the full godpel the charismatics..........not even the RCC as far as I remember.

The Ten Commandments were not offensive to any denomination, yet man, today, wishes to destroy God's will for His children.

How can this be? What is flesh to thin k it may supercede the eternal, the Spirit?

Poor, deficient creatures who would bend the truth to fit the material, yes, poverty stricken they are.

God bless all of God's obedient children, and may He have mercy on those disobedient to bring them to HIs light in Jesus Christ, amen.
No commandment is offensive to new creatures.

Some are used as cerimoinal laws that govern ceremonies. Not moral laws that govern the morality of the whole world .They are used as shadows and types in parables to preach the gospel of Christ in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow the "time of refomation.".


I think God knew in advance some would try to make the cerimoinal laws regarding the eternal rest we have in Him ,any time we do not harden of our hearts when hearing His word indicates we have already entered it by faith.(believing)

Why do you think that the ceremonial law gives two different parables of the same event . Do the moral laws provide that kind of reasoning ? What was the purpose for two different reasoning's.?

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
 
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Man resented the Hebrews and their descendants, still does to a large, large degree. He could not stand having a Sabbath that unconverted Hebrews used, and to have the Sabbath on the same day as they was just too much for his hateful ego. ¨So out with the calendar for the sake of separation from them (and for many from God), and out with the remembrance of the Seventh day, again for the sake of evil men.......and here we are, unable to convince so many of the simple truth of the Word because they already know it all....amazing. I do not know it all, and oh am I painfully aware of it, but what I do know and pass on has been checked with our Father firsst.......All blessins in Yeshua always...j


To bad we are forced to adhere to a calendar that a pope instigated rather than the original one in the Bible. It sure has created many controversies, hasn't it? Why are we naming the days rather than numbering them accordingly? Actually, because I'm retired, I observe Tuesday. I feel comfortable with that.
 

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Is the Sabbath meant to be taken literally or should it be viewed in a symbolic context?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

JaumeJ

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Yes, the Sabbath is a commandment, but with the teaching and the clarification of the law and the commandments we now know that, as mentioned, the ceremonial is not necessary at all.

God does tell us to "remember" the Sabbath, and to keep it holy. Keeping it holy is keeping it separate, just as we are His holy people today, in this age (world), but not of it.

The Sabbath, and let us be clear on this, the Sabbath of the Lord, not the others, is a gift from God personallly given to each of us. It is a day to rest and keep special to the Lord. If a person is required to work to keep all well at home, this is a good thing, he still keeps it separate in his mind, like Paul worhiped God with his mind though he would do the v ery thing he tated, not that having a job, wok, is something to be hated..

What is very important to me, is the order of the week, because I understand the order of the week not only to be a matter of the deeds done in creation by God for us all, but also it is foretelling of this age, the thousand years after it (Sabbath of the Lord for He will reign), and so much more.

It is important to know this for knowing it is keeping it separate and holy. I sure would not like the seventh millineum to be moved to the first since that is impossible for man, and not the will of or Father.

As for not keeping the Sabbath of the Lord, I believe in my heart that all who believe they are doing what is correct in the sight of God on Sundays are without any guilt, but it is very important to remember the order it is in the week; it is the story of all time.

Is the Sabbath meant to be taken literally or should it be viewed in a symbolic context?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Dan_473

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Your so-called tips on the sabbath are not concealing your accusation that anyone who believes teh Sabbath of the Lord is teh Seventh Day is under the law..
I'll reword my post
More tips if you're attempting to achieve blessing by **resting on Saturday**

instead of toast, buy a bag of rolls the day before. Then just dip them in olive oil on Saturday. That way there's no knife used to spread butter, so no need to wash dishes.
 

Dan_473

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Hilarious.. but remember how the Disciples picked and ate corn on Sabbath day?
Right! nothing wrong with eating on Saturday.

But the disciples were doing something very simple, they weren't involved in full-scale harvesting.

so also, avoiding having to do dishes is a very restful idea!

another idea, have a jar of peanuts handy. Peanuts + bread = complete protein
 

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Right! nothing wrong with eating on Saturday.

But the disciples were doing something very simple, they weren't involved in full-scale harvesting.

so also, avoiding having to do dishes is a very restful idea!

another idea, have a jar of peanuts handy. Peanuts + bread = complete protein
You really picture me sat frightened to move and make something to eat lest I die... the Messiah teaches us the Truth about Sabbath of which He is Lord.

And I have never been involved in a full scale Harvest any day of the week either.. but if I had to I would try to arrange it for another day.

But if a man asked for my help I would help him gladly.. knowing it is lawful to do good.

Peace and love Dan.
 

JaumeJ

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The tips you give do not serve those who learn of the Holy Spirit. Try being sober-minded when conversing on the Word of god. It is said we should be so in the Word.

I'll reword my post
More tips if you're attempting to achieve blessing by **resting on Saturday**

instead of toast, buy a bag of rolls the day before. Then just dip them in olive oil on Saturday. That way there's no knife used to spread butter, so no need to wash dishes.
 

Dan_473

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You really picture me sat frightened to move and make something to eat lest I die...
not true at all.


I do see that the disciples were plucking grain and rubbing it in their hands. That would be a simple task, and one which needs no cleanup afterwards.

so those seem to be good ideas if one wishes to achieve a blessing by resting on Saturday.
 

Dan_473

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The tips you give do not serve those who learn of the Holy Spirit. Try being sober-minded when conversing on the Word of god. It is said we should be so in the Word.
yes, very sober-minded.

If you feel you have a message from the Holy Spirit for the entire body, and that the Spirit has given you words to talk about it so that we can know when to say Amen,

please post the message!

31 For you all can prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be exhorted
 

JaumeJ

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The Holy Spirit has already informed all who believe on this. Once more I ask you to be sober minded.

All who believe Jesus Christ is Lord are gifted with the spirit of prophesy.

yes, very sober-minded.

If you feel you have a message from the Holy Spirit for the entire body, and that the Spirit has given you words to talk about it so that we can know when to say Amen,

please post the message!

31 For you all can prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be exhorted
 

JaumeJ

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Please, all, never doubt the influence of the Holy Spirit in you. If you know Jesus Christ is Lord, it can only be by the Holy Spirit. Here is a related teaching from Revelation.

Rev 19:10 And I fell down before his feet to worship him. And he saith unto me, See thou do it not: I am a fellow-servant with thee and with thy brethren that hold the testimony of Jesus: worship God; for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
 

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To bad we are forced to adhere to a calendar that a pope instigated rather than the original one in the Bible. It sure has created many controversies, hasn't it? Why are we naming the days rather than numbering them accordingly? Actually, because I'm retired, I observe Tuesday. I feel comfortable with that.
Friday is my favorite day of the week. I'm semi-retired.
 

Dan_473

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The Holy Spirit has already informed all who believe on this. Once more I ask you to be sober minded.

All who believe Jesus Christ is Lord are gifted with the spirit of prophesy.
you and I both believe Jesus Christ is Lord, and are gifted with the spirit of prophesy.

31 For you all can prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be exhorted.

I do not mind if you post what the Spirit has revealed to you, in fact please do!