Salvation, Forgiveness, Grace, Faith, and Works
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The scripture does say that Christ was slain from the foundation of the world. This would indicate that God knows "stuff"...
Sometimes I think us trying to figure out the things of God with our finite minds is like trying to know the exact population of ants in the rain forests of the world.
I often have the same thought and sometimes give up trying to figure out and just trust Him at His Word (as best as I can understand it).
I don't know if that's a bad thing, hehehe
I don't know if that's a bad thing, hehehe
Oh and the "exact" population of ants in the rainforests of the world is exactly 100 trillion and 5.
Anyone who disagrees with this is in heresy and they are deceivers and a false prophet and teacher and are definitely satanic....and most likely have a "dissociative disorder"...
Thanks for your response, I appreciate this, responding to your enemy, and someone
you have called evil.
If I read your response right my conscience should be telling me I am sinning all the
time and should be under Gods judgement, like you feel everyday.
Let me ask you, do you believe scripture? Our conscience is cleansed by the blood.
Paul had a clear conscience and walked in purity, blamelessly.
Now I have had a rediculously sensitive conscience, and any issue I would work through
in case there is a problem. So I know where I am, probably too well.
I also have faith in Christ and the cross and my sins are forgiven in Him.
And consciences do not work like you put forward. You either sear them so they
no longer function or you listen to them. But to have a clear conscience is beyond
you. That is so obvious. It is also why if you sin, your conscience will tell you, and
you can confess the sin and find healing. This is our faith my friend.
To try and make me into Saul is blind talking, because if I am walking with Christ in
the Holy Spirit, what are you doing? Whatever it is it is confused and agressive.
And I have never been focused of self but on Christ, and Christ asked me to sort
myself out, place love at my core and follow Him. If you listened to Christ you
would have done the same things.
So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man.
Acts 24:16
My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
1 cor 4:4
They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience.
1 Tim 3:9
I think you do not agree with Paul. I believe you preach and have responsibility.
Maybe you should not have this role based on Pauls advice.
you have called evil.
If I read your response right my conscience should be telling me I am sinning all the
time and should be under Gods judgement, like you feel everyday.
Let me ask you, do you believe scripture? Our conscience is cleansed by the blood.
Paul had a clear conscience and walked in purity, blamelessly.
Now I have had a rediculously sensitive conscience, and any issue I would work through
in case there is a problem. So I know where I am, probably too well.
I also have faith in Christ and the cross and my sins are forgiven in Him.
And consciences do not work like you put forward. You either sear them so they
no longer function or you listen to them. But to have a clear conscience is beyond
you. That is so obvious. It is also why if you sin, your conscience will tell you, and
you can confess the sin and find healing. This is our faith my friend.
To try and make me into Saul is blind talking, because if I am walking with Christ in
the Holy Spirit, what are you doing? Whatever it is it is confused and agressive.
And I have never been focused of self but on Christ, and Christ asked me to sort
myself out, place love at my core and follow Him. If you listened to Christ you
would have done the same things.
So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man.
Acts 24:16
My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
1 cor 4:4
They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience.
1 Tim 3:9
I think you do not agree with Paul. I believe you preach and have responsibility.
Maybe you should not have this role based on Pauls advice.
One thing over time has become clear to me. The obvious destiny for man is destruction.
The question that is difficult to predict is who will find the Lord and stay there.
cc demonstrates this is no simple path or experience. People christians for 30+ years are
still struggling and wondering what they are doing and what actually is the truth.
So all the its so simple, is clearly not true.
The question that is difficult to predict is who will find the Lord and stay there.
cc demonstrates this is no simple path or experience. People christians for 30+ years are
still struggling and wondering what they are doing and what actually is the truth.
So all the its so simple, is clearly not true.
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I do to.
Again, How can God prophey is God does not know?
How can God predetermine a child of God is saved if God did not know
How can God know adam would sin, and make up a plan of salvation before god layed the foundaiton of the earth, if he did not know
The bible does tell you. Just not in so many words.
Again, How can God prophey is God does not know?
How can God predetermine a child of God is saved if God did not know
How can God know adam would sin, and make up a plan of salvation before god layed the foundaiton of the earth, if he did not know
The bible does tell you. Just not in so many words.
I wonder if when Jesus talks about the Kingdom of Heaven being like an owner who gave His goods to men and then went away on a long trip could be of any help here...
The goods (the talents) could be said to be a gift given, except that they still belonged to the owner. So a gift given but not used will be taken from the one who buried it instead of putting it to use, as also, to he who has (and uses it wisely), more will be given, but to he who doesn't have (and use wisely), what little he has will be taken from him.
We're given the gift of faith, (and that not of ourselves, it is His). This talent is taken from the one who didn't use it to grow more but instead was fearful of losing it and so buried it to keep it safe.
I see a similarity between this parable and saying that the talent is a gift and need not be used, and now the owner cannot demand it back with interest because it now belongs to the one gifted with it and no longer is a possession of the owner, or else it is not a gift, but wages. When the owner returns, He may not demand it back with interest because we have seized the talents and the vineyard.
This is how I see accepting the gift of faith (the goods of the owner,which still belong to the owner and are through the owner and cannot be had or kept in any way apart from Him) through which a man is saved, and then demanding it belongs to you no matter if you use it for the owners increase and glory or not, because it no longer is His goods but is now your goods, even apart from Him (even in unbelief).
It seems to me to be using the owners own goods to tie His hands, or demanding the vineyard for oneself.
It just seems salvation by faith alone has now been twisted into a deal to cheat death by the tying of the owners hands. It seems like...a sleight of hand to me. It seems ungrateful to me. I think He will cancel out this deal to cheat death by the pride and insolence that seizes the vineyard and says the owner can not come back and expect that anything at all has been grown for His increase and glory by the goods He gave us.
There is no need for this grabbing when He freely gives it all through Himself. We don't need to have it apart from Him and we can't have it apart from Him, because it all remains His and is in Him. To say it is now ours whether we abide in Him or not and whether we bury it or not is a great evil to me.
The goods (the talents) could be said to be a gift given, except that they still belonged to the owner. So a gift given but not used will be taken from the one who buried it instead of putting it to use, as also, to he who has (and uses it wisely), more will be given, but to he who doesn't have (and use wisely), what little he has will be taken from him.
We're given the gift of faith, (and that not of ourselves, it is His). This talent is taken from the one who didn't use it to grow more but instead was fearful of losing it and so buried it to keep it safe.
I see a similarity between this parable and saying that the talent is a gift and need not be used, and now the owner cannot demand it back with interest because it now belongs to the one gifted with it and no longer is a possession of the owner, or else it is not a gift, but wages. When the owner returns, He may not demand it back with interest because we have seized the talents and the vineyard.
This is how I see accepting the gift of faith (the goods of the owner,which still belong to the owner and are through the owner and cannot be had or kept in any way apart from Him) through which a man is saved, and then demanding it belongs to you no matter if you use it for the owners increase and glory or not, because it no longer is His goods but is now your goods, even apart from Him (even in unbelief).
It seems to me to be using the owners own goods to tie His hands, or demanding the vineyard for oneself.
It just seems salvation by faith alone has now been twisted into a deal to cheat death by the tying of the owners hands. It seems like...a sleight of hand to me. It seems ungrateful to me. I think He will cancel out this deal to cheat death by the pride and insolence that seizes the vineyard and says the owner can not come back and expect that anything at all has been grown for His increase and glory by the goods He gave us.
There is no need for this grabbing when He freely gives it all through Himself. We don't need to have it apart from Him and we can't have it apart from Him, because it all remains His and is in Him. To say it is now ours whether we abide in Him or not and whether we bury it or not is a great evil to me.
He didn't have a contingency plan in place in case sin entered the world. He already knew it was going to happen or the Lamb would not have been slain from the foundation of the world. He did not allow His Son to be slain from the foundation of the world just in case His death might be necessary.
He knew you before He even formed you in the womb. He knew already all the days of your life and what your end would be. He knows the end of each of us from the beginning. This is how He can say so much of what He says that seems so confusing to us.
He knew you before He even formed you in the womb. He knew already all the days of your life and what your end would be. He knows the end of each of us from the beginning. This is how He can say so much of what He says that seems so confusing to us.
In a world of free will, if God does not have friends and messengers, things polarise.
So God is always concerned how many righteous people are there left, what are the
face to face options available. Now God does not create believers and righteous
people out of thin air, we need to be available and willing to walk.
It is why often Gods will is exercised within the possible rather than the impossible.
So God is always concerned how many righteous people are there left, what are the
face to face options available. Now God does not create believers and righteous
people out of thin air, we need to be available and willing to walk.
It is why often Gods will is exercised within the possible rather than the impossible.
There is a film called the butterfly effect.
It is a discussion in what is possible within the constraint of all the options within a
given situation. We always think things have vastly different outcomes than otherwise
if a certain small things change. But in reality the vastness of everything, is there is
an inevitable walk to a conclusion.
The world will polarise against God and Gods people. It will always feel things are unfair
and nothing should be judged. The balance is can the righteous help keep love burning
in the hearts of men, by following the Lord.
It is a discussion in what is possible within the constraint of all the options within a
given situation. We always think things have vastly different outcomes than otherwise
if a certain small things change. But in reality the vastness of everything, is there is
an inevitable walk to a conclusion.
The world will polarise against God and Gods people. It will always feel things are unfair
and nothing should be judged. The balance is can the righteous help keep love burning
in the hearts of men, by following the Lord.
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1. that sounds fatalisistic, Like God predetermined something, so he forces people to make sure his will gets done.
No. Prophesy is God saying this will happen, because it will (and he knew it)
2. I do not think God made a plan just in case, Scripture does not say this, it says he made a place because he knew.
No. Prophesy is God saying this will happen, because it will (and he knew it)
2. I do not think God made a plan just in case, Scripture does not say this, it says he made a place because he knew.