Salvation

[Jackson123]

Assuming that this applies to genuine believers, you will note in Scripture that those who sin after being saved are chastised severely (1 Cor 5:1-5), and there is also a "sin unto death" (1 Cor 11:26-34). Premature death. But that person remains saved, since salvation is by grace through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption. Just as Abraham believed God and it was accounted (or imputed) to him for righteousness, God justifies the sinner when he believes. And eternal life is a gift of God, not something which is deserved or earned.

1 corinthian
[h=3]Sexual Immorality Defiles the Church[/h]5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. 2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
3 For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing.4 When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.[a]

I believe Paul tell the corinthian to remove the person WHO does sexual immorality from the church,
Hoping he repent and save

I do not believe Paul say No matter what you do, after you accept Jesus you save

Paul Said ought you not rather to mourn?

this question mean paul want punish this person in order to make him mourn. Repent and save.

if this person not repent and keep doing sexual immoralty, I do not believe he save.




rev 21
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

 

[Dai3234]

Put it this way, the early Christians sacrificed and died for Jesus Christ. After the apostles. They didn't just say hay, in saved, I'll play it safe and just not admit it, so I can live longer and work from the inside. They admitted it and even hoped to be martyrs and die for Christ.

Somehow that seems more than once saved always saved. But maybe it just looks that way.

 

[Jackson123]

Anyone who says we can lose our salvation doesn't understand what actually occurs when a person is saved. All of us inherit a dead spirit from adam. When we are saved that spirit is made alive (the Word says quickened) and hidden in Christ Jesus. That fact that we seem to keep messing up after salvation is because only our spirit is changed at first, the soul (that is our thoughts and feelings) are changed over time as we feed on the Word. The more we feed on the Word the more our minds are transformed. Once we can finally accept who we really are in Christ (righteous, redeemed, loved and worthy) then we are able to love others as God loves us.

God knows all we have done and all we will do yet He choose to save us anyway. To say we must do this to keep our salvation or we can't do that or we lose salvation is in fact the height of arrogance and disobedience. When we say those things what we are really saying is "Jesus didn't do enough, I better help Him". Really?? God needs no help in either saving us or keeping us. God wants us to have faith in who He is, who He has made us to be and what His plans are for us.

Being human it is a very hard thing indeed to set aside our pride and ego and trust God to do that which we are unable to do. It is even more difficult because it goes against our own understanding and often against the evidence we can see. That is why we are told to lean NOT on our own understanding and have faith in that which we can NOT see.

God is NOT hiding behind a tree waiting for you to mess up so He can revoke your salvation, if that were the case He would've never saved you to begin with.


HAVE FAITH!! Be secure in God's promises!! He loves you and has a plan for you.

Interesting you Said we

inherit death spirit from Adam.

you Said when we save that spirit alive.

Adam spirit was alive, than he rebel not obey the Lord, It make his spirit die.

the spirit of save person is alive, what happen when he keep disobey? Say killing every day, or robbing every day

 

[valiant]

Interesting you Said we

inherit death spirit from Adam.

you Said when we save that spirit alive.

Adam spirit was alive, than he rebel not obey the Lord, It make his spirit die.

the spirit of save person is alive, what happen when he keep disobey? Say killing every day, or robbing every day

lol you have a vivid imagination The difference is that we have the Holy Spirit recreating our spirits. He will keep us from killing and robbing every day.

 

[Jackson123]

lol you have a vivid imagination The difference is that we have the Holy Spirit recreating our spirits. He will keep us from killing and robbing every day.

Sure Holy Spirit remanufacture our spirit into alive spirit like Adam was.

Adam was had alive spirit, but die when not obey.

 

[Jackson123]

lol you have a vivid imagination The difference is that we have the Holy Spirit recreating our spirits. He will keep us from killing and robbing every day.

Adam spirit was alive and capable to commit sin

our spirit is remanufacture and capable to do sin

if we keep killing and robing, not repent till die, than we lose our salvation.

rev 21


8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

 

[valiant]

Adam spirit was alive and capable to commit sin

our spirit is remanufacture and capable to do sin

if we keep killing and robing, not repent till die, than we lose our salvation.

rev 21


8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

the difference between Adam and us was that Adam was innocent, and then he sinned, He was left to fight on his own until after he had sinned,. But God has saved us from sin. We are sinners and God has stepped in to save us. And He has promised that His saving work will go on to the end. Thus we are kept by His power. He will never leave us to sink into the mire of sin.

1. 'All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I will in no wise cast out. For I am come down from Heaven not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent
   Me. And this is the will of Him Who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the Last Day,' (John 6.37-39)
   
   
   But you do not believe (My Father's works) because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice and I know them, and they follow Me, and I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and none shall pluck them from My hand. My Father who gave them to Me is greater than all, and no one IS ABLE to pluck them out of the Father's hand. I and my Father are one (John 10.27-30).
   
   
   All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, being accounted as righteous by His grace FREELY through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith by His blood (Rom 3,23-25).
   
   
   'Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, so that you come behind in no gift, waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,who will also confirm you unto the end, that you might be unreproveable in the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ.' (1 Corinth 1.6-8). (and this the corinthian church!)
   
   
   'By grace you are saved, through faith, and that (gracious act) not of yourselves, it is the gift of God and not of doings, lest any man should boast, for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them' (Eph 2.8-10).
   
   
   'Being confident of this very thing, that he which has begun a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ' (Phil 2.6).
   
   
   'Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our doings, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, but now has been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour, Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel (2 Tim 1.9).
   
   
   I am not ashamed, for I know Him Whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed to Him against that Day (2 Tim 1.12).
   
   
   But when the kindness of God our Saviour, and His love towards man appeared, not by works done in righteousness which we did ourselves, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, which He poured out upon us richly through Christ Jesus our Saviour, that being justified by His grace we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3.4-7).
   
   
   Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly unto the heirs of promise the immutability of His Counsel, interposed with an oath, that by two immutable things in which it is impossible for God to lie we may have a strong encouragement who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us, which we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and entering into that within the veil, whither as a forerunner Jesus entered for us, having become a High Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedek (Heb 7.7-20).
   
   
   Wherefore He is able to save to the uttermost them that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever lives to make intercession for them (Heb 7.25).
   
   
   He has perfected for ever those who are being sanctified (Heb 10.14)​

Those promises can never be broken

 

[Jackson123]

the difference between Adam and us was that Adam was innocent, and then he sinned, He was left to fight on his own until after he had sinned,. But God has saved us from sin. We are sinners and God has stepped in to save us. And He has promised that His saving work will go on to the end. Thus we are kept by His power. He will never leave us to sink into the mire of sin.

1. 'All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I will in no wise cast out. For I am come down from Heaven not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent
   Me. And this is the will of Him Who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the Last Day,' (John 6.37-39)
   
   
   But you do not believe (My Father's works) because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice and I know them, and they follow Me, and I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and none shall pluck them from My hand. My Father who gave them to Me is greater than all, and no one IS ABLE to pluck them out of the Father's hand. I and my Father are one (John 10.27-30).
   
   
   All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, being accounted as righteous by His grace FREELY through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith by His blood (Rom 3,23-25).
   
   
   'Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, so that you come behind in no gift, waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,who will also confirm you unto the end, that you might be unreproveable in the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ.' (1 Corinth 1.6-8). (and this the corinthian church!)
   
   
   'By grace you are saved, through faith, and that (gracious act) not of yourselves, it is the gift of God and not of doings, lest any man should boast, for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them' (Eph 2.8-10).
   
   
   'Being confident of this very thing, that he which has begun a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ' (Phil 2.6).
   
   
   'Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our doings, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, but now has been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour, Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel (2 Tim 1.9).
   
   
   I am not ashamed, for I know Him Whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed to Him against that Day (2 Tim 1.12).
   
   
   But when the kindness of God our Saviour, and His love towards man appeared, not by works done in righteousness which we did ourselves, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, which He poured out upon us richly through Christ Jesus our Saviour, that being justified by His grace we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3.4-7).
   
   
   Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly unto the heirs of promise the immutability of His Counsel, interposed with an oath, that by two immutable things in which it is impossible for God to lie we may have a strong encouragement who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us, which we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and entering into that within the veil, whither as a forerunner Jesus entered for us, having become a High Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedek (Heb 7.7-20).
   
   
   Wherefore He is able to save to the uttermost them that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever lives to make intercession for them (Heb 7.25).
   
   
   He has perfected for ever those who are being sanctified (Heb 10.14)​

Those promises can never be broken

so you believe No matter what you do AS long AS you saved you Will always save?

it doesn't matter If you killing every day

 

[DJ2]

you poor soul, hoping to hold on to the end. I'm glad He's holding on to me

for GOD says:

1. 'All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I will in no wise cast out. For I am come down from Heaven not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent
   Me. And this is the will of Him Who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the Last Day,' (John 6.37-39)
   
   
   But you do not believe (My Father's works) because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice and I know them, and they follow Me, and I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and none shall pluck them from My hand. My Father who gave them to Me is greater than all, and no one IS ABLE to pluck them out of the Father's hand. I and my Father are one (John 10.27-30).
   
   
   All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, being accounted as righteous by His grace FREELY through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith by His blood (Rom 3,23-25).
   
   
   'Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, so that you come behind in no gift, waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,who will also confirm you unto the end, that you might be unreproveable in the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ.' (1 Corinth 1.6-8). (and this the corinthian church!)
   
   
   'By grace you are saved, through faith, and that (gracious act) not of yourselves, it is the gift of God and not of doings, lest any man should boast, for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them' (Eph 2.8-10).
   
   
   'Being confident of this very thing, that he which has begun a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ' (Phil 2.6).
   
   
   'Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our doings, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, but now has been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour, Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel (2 Tim 1.9).
   
   
   I am not ashamed, for I know Him Whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed to Him against that Day (2 Tim 1.12).
   
   
   But when the kindness of God our Saviour, and His love towards man appeared, not by works done in righteousness which we did ourselves, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, which He poured out upon us richly through Christ Jesus our Saviour, that being justified by His grace we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3.4-7).
   
   
   Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly unto the heirs of promise the immutability of His Counsel, interposed with an oath, that by two immutable things in which it is impossible for God to lie we may have a strong encouragement who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us, which we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and entering into that within the veil, whither as a forerunner Jesus entered for us, having become a High Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedek (Heb 7.7-20).
   
   
   Wherefore He is able to save to the uttermost them that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever lives to make intercession for them (Heb 7.25).
   
   
   He has perfected for ever those who are being sanctified (Heb 10.14)​

Onefaith's scriptures are about apostasy, none of your verses address this issue. The passages you are quoting speak strictly of the long-suffering of God. Onefaith is pointing out the willingness and ability of man to leave God.

God most certainly is long-suffering but not all-suffering.

This is the error that you and others of the OSAS sects are blind to.

If apostasy does not exist neither would its warnings