Self Defense - Is it wrong?

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Self Defense - Is it wrong?

  • Yes it is wrong.

    Votes: 5 9.4%
  • No it is okay.

    Votes: 29 54.7%
  • It is only okay under certain conditions.

    Votes: 18 34.0%
  • I don't know.

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • Total voters
    53
  • Poll closed .
Nov 30, 2012
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#61
Would you agree or disagree that there is a difference between the 2 lines of thought below...

1. Making a stand for truth/witness and giving your life under religious persecution or...
2. A serial killer breaking into your home to rape your wife and slit her throat which gets stopped because you defended your wife?
No, because many a Roman soldier entered into a home and took man, woman, and child first off. Second the OP said SELF defense. So, your addition of others is a separate hypothetical.
 

shrimp

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Aug 28, 2011
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There's no double standard. It's just that there is a BIG difference between a Christian facing death in Saudi Arabia because of CHRIST and an american (who happens to be a christian) that gets attacked by some drunkards.
You are vulgarizing the martyrdom if you put the two situations on the same level.

P.S.: protecting yourself is not the same thing with attacking.
If that is the case then Christians in america are doing something wrong. Christians should share the Gospel with everyone, including the drunkard, in every conversation. If they aren't doing that to begin with, what hope do they have? On a side note: a drunkard attacking someone without reason is VERY rare, if it happens at all.
 
May 15, 2013
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#63
Then couldn't the argument be made that because we are His children won't God protect us or avenge us?
Romans 12:19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord.

I hope God has mercy on us for we were brought up in sin that we can't depart from it.

[h=3]Proverbs 22:6[/h]
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Start children off on the way they should go,
and even when they are old they will not turn from it.

It is very hard for us to repent.

Matthew 19:26
Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
 

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#64
What's all this fighting about? Whoa!! I guess everyone is coming to there 'own defense' . Guess yall answered the threads question!
 
Nov 30, 2012
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#65
Wait a minute there! The martyrs died because of Christ. If I, a christian, get killed in a stupid street attack, that doesn't make me a martyr.
Why? In the end, that person who is killing you is listening to the lies of the enemy.
 
Nov 30, 2012
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#66
Let's not confuse a "necessary" evil with good.
 
Sep 10, 2013
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Why? In the end, that person who is killing you is listening to the lies of the enemy.
I believe I already explained why.
The martyrs got killed because they confessed the truth.
Look, if you don't want to defend yourself when a loony is attacking you and your family, be it. But, please, do not put this on the same level with the martyrdom. It's not fair for the martyrs and it is not what Christ commended in the 8th and 9th blessings.
If the loony asks you to chose between Christ and your life (and your family's) than it's a whole other issue.
 

PennEd

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Apr 22, 2013
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Jesus Christ NEVER owned or used a weapon-and neither should His followers.

Here's a question.
When someone punches us on the left side of our face, Jesus Christ told us to
1. Shoot the other person.
2. Punch him or her back.
3. Fight back.
4. Run away.
5. Let him punch us on the right side of our face.
Explain how the Jews were prevented from stoning Jesus? Why didn't Jesus allow Himself to be stoned? What Jesus is talking about when He says to turn the other cheek is to not return evil for evil. He is referring to the eye for an eye law,which is the payment for a wrong done, NOT self-defense.
 

john832

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#69
Explain how the Jews were prevented from stoning Jesus? Why didn't Jesus allow Himself to be stoned? What Jesus is talking about when He says to turn the other cheek is to not return evil for evil. He is referring to the eye for an eye law,which is the payment for a wrong done, NOT self-defense.
Show us a scriptural passage that shows Jesus ever fought back, ever "defended" Himself.
 

DavidLOVESsnow

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It's not necessarily defending yourself.

Show me a scripture that says if you see someone getting beaten up, you don't go and defend them and stop the fight. Come on now it's common sense. Does Jesus want us to just let them get beaten up, let alone yourself?
 

PennEd

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Show us a scriptural passage that shows Jesus ever fought back, ever "defended" Himself.
You did not answer my question. How were the Jews prevented from stoning and seizing Jesus, and why did Jesus not allow Himself to be stoned?
 

Dan58

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#72
If that is the case then Christians in america are doing something wrong. Christians should share the Gospel with everyone, including the drunkard, in every conversation. If they aren't doing that to begin with, what hope do they have? On a side note: a drunkard attacking someone without reason is VERY rare, if it happens at all.
Most police officers will attest to the fact that behind nearly every call they get for domestic violence, alcohol or drugs are involved. So I don't think its rare for drunks to resort to violence, even though most don't.

Christ clearly instructed his disciples not to share the gospel with those who resented it (Luke 9:5). When asked, we have a responsibility to testify of Christ, but Jesus didn't ask Pilate (Gentiles) to join him in a moment of prayer.

Shooting someone in self defense is not murder. God expects us to provide for our families, and that would include their safety. "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel"(1 Timothy 5:8).
 

john832

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You did not answer my question. How were the Jews prevented from stoning and seizing Jesus, and why did Jesus not allow Himself to be stoned?
Luk 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
Luk 4:29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
Luk 4:30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

Allowing Himself to be stoned is not even the question here, the question is did Jesus Christ defend Himself? Did He use force on another person? The answer is no...

Luk 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
Luk 4:29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
Luk 4:30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

He was able to pass through the crowd because He looked like any other Jew of His day. He did not defend Himself. Now again I ask...

Show us a scriptural passage that shows Jesus ever fought back, ever "defended" Himself.
 
Jun 3, 2014
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Explain how the Jews were prevented from stoning Jesus? Why didn't Jesus allow Himself to be stoned? What Jesus is talking about when He says to turn the other cheek is to not return evil for evil. He is referring to the eye for an eye law,which is the payment for a wrong done, NOT self-defense.
The payment for a wrong done? A punch in payment for a punch? A kick in payment for a kick?

A gunshot in payment for invading your house?
 

shrimp

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Most police officers will attest to the fact that behind nearly every call they get for domestic violence, alcohol or drugs are involved. So I don't think its rare for drunks to resort to violence, even though most don't.

Christ clearly instructed his disciples not to share the gospel with those who resented it (Luke 9:5). When asked, we have a responsibility to testify of Christ, but Jesus didn't ask Pilate (Gentiles) to join him in a moment of prayer.

Shooting someone in self defense is not murder. God expects us to provide for our families, and that would include their safety. "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel"(1 Timothy 5:8).
I did not mean that drunks don't get violent. I have seen it and my father dealt with it. I am saying that they usually have a reason for resorting to violence.
 

PennEd

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Apr 22, 2013
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Luk 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
Luk 4:29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
Luk 4:30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

Allowing Himself to be stoned is not even the question here, the question is did Jesus Christ defend Himself? Did He use force on another person? The answer is no...

Luk 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
Luk 4:29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
Luk 4:30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

He was able to pass through the crowd because He looked like any other Jew of His day. He did not defend Himself. Now again I ask...

Show us a scriptural passage that shows Jesus ever fought back, ever "defended" Himself.

You only recited what happened, you did not answer how the Jews were prevented from stoning Jesus nor why Jesus didn't allow them to. Did Jesus use supernatural power? Did the disciples do something to protect Him? The best I can gather from you is that Jesus pulled out some kind of disguise?

Also, what the heck does it matter that there isn't a verse explicitly showing Jesus defending Himself? The passage I posted proves He, in some way, did. I can't find a verse where Jesus says it's ok to drive a car. Does that mean I can't?
 

shrimp

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You only recited what happened, you did not answer how the Jews were prevented from stoning Jesus nor why Jesus didn't allow them to. Did Jesus use supernatural power? Did the disciples do something to protect Him? The best I can gather from you is that Jesus pulled out some kind of disguise?

Also, what the heck does it matter that there isn't a verse explicitly showing Jesus defending Himself? The passage I posted proves He, in some way, did. I can't find a verse where Jesus says it's ok to drive a car. Does that mean I can't?
The passage doesn't prove anything except that He chose to walk away rather than argue or fight.
Which is exactly what I am going to do after commenting.
 

PennEd

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Apr 22, 2013
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The passage doesn't prove anything except that He chose to walk away rather than argue or fight.
Which is exactly what I am going to do after commenting.

You walking away doesn't prevent ME from responding, NOR did it stop the Jews from stoning Jesus. SOMETHING else did. What was it?
 

DavidLOVESsnow

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I don't see how you logically made the jump from my question to 'he's mocking', but I suppose I shouldn't expect anything less than overly-defensive mob-mentality here.

My point was, is forebearance only a trait worth having if it makes you a martyr? Or should it be something applied daily and consistently?
Oh, my opinion was not based on only your comments here, but on posts you have made elsewhere aswell. I just see the same pattern.

I'm pretty sure someone else addressed you on this issue yesterday...