As far as i know there isnt a scripture in the bible that says sex before marrige is a sin correct me if im wrong.. i know therr are scripture that suggest it isnt good an there is lot of scriptuers that say sexual immorality is a sin.. but what i see as sexual immorality is having sex just for pleasure when you dont really love someoneone.. also what excactly is marrige is it having a pice of paper saying you our married or is it acctually being inlove with an sharing your life an sould with someone..... im not posting this to try an justify sex before marrige. Im just sharing what thoughts i hwve about it an seeing what other people think..
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The book of James says, "Anyone who knows the good he ought to do and does not do it sins." (my wording could be wrong)
Also, being a Christian is not about passing a test, it is about walking in worship of God...with God.
Trying to find loopholes in Scripture for one's pleasure is not the best frame of mind with which to approach it.
Good question. I am interested in seeing other replies to your question, as you make good points.
Also, being a Christian is not about passing a test, it is about walking in worship of God...with God.
Trying to find loopholes in Scripture for one's pleasure is not the best frame of mind with which to approach it.
Good question. I am interested in seeing other replies to your question, as you make good points.
From the international standard Bible Encyclopedia:
Hebrew, זָנָה, zānāh = "to commit adultery," especially of the female, and less frequently of mere fornication, seldom of involuntary ravishment; also used figuratively in the sense of idolatry, the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Yahweh (2 Chron. 21:11; Isaiah 23:17; Ezekiel 16:26). Once we find the derivative noun תַּזְנוּת, taznūth (Ezekiel 16:29). In the New Testament, with both the literal and the figurative application, we find πορνεία, porneía, and πορνεύω, porneúō (Matthew 5:32; Matthew 15:19; John 8:41; Acts 15:20; 1 Cor. 5:1; 1 Cor. 6:13, 18; 1 Cor. 7:2; 1 Cor. 10:8; 2 Cor. 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephes. 5:3; Col. 3:5; 1 Thes. 4:3; Rev. 2:14, 20-21; Rev. 9:21; Rev. 14:8; Rev. 17:2, 4). The intensive ἐκπορνεύω, ekporneúō = "to be utterly unchaste" is found in Jude 1:7. Every form of unchastity is included in the term "fornication."
Hebrew, זָנָה, zānāh = "to commit adultery," especially of the female, and less frequently of mere fornication, seldom of involuntary ravishment; also used figuratively in the sense of idolatry, the Jewish people being regarded as the spouse of Yahweh (2 Chron. 21:11; Isaiah 23:17; Ezekiel 16:26). Once we find the derivative noun תַּזְנוּת, taznūth (Ezekiel 16:29). In the New Testament, with both the literal and the figurative application, we find πορνεία, porneía, and πορνεύω, porneúō (Matthew 5:32; Matthew 15:19; John 8:41; Acts 15:20; 1 Cor. 5:1; 1 Cor. 6:13, 18; 1 Cor. 7:2; 1 Cor. 10:8; 2 Cor. 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephes. 5:3; Col. 3:5; 1 Thes. 4:3; Rev. 2:14, 20-21; Rev. 9:21; Rev. 14:8; Rev. 17:2, 4). The intensive ἐκπορνεύω, ekporneúō = "to be utterly unchaste" is found in Jude 1:7. Every form of unchastity is included in the term "fornication."
From New Unger's Bible Dictionary:
FORNICATION (Gk. porneia). Used of illicit sexual intercourse in general (Acts 15:20, 29; Acts 21:25; cf. 1 Cor. 5:1; 1 Cor. 6:13, 18; 1 Cor. 7:2; etc.). It is distinguished from “adultery” (Gk. moicheia, in Matthew 15:19; Mark 7:21). The NIV usually translates porneia as “sexual immorality” and moicheia as “adultery.” Jahn (Biblical Archaeology, sec. 158) thus distinguishes between adultery and fornication among nations where polygamy exists: “If a married man has criminal intercourse with a married woman, or with one promised in marriage, or with a widow expecting to be married with a brother-in-law, it is accounted adultery. If he is guilty of such intercourse with a woman who is unmarried it is considered fornication.” At the present time adultery is the term used of such an act when the person is married, fornication when unmarried; and fornication may be defined as lewdness of an unmarried person of either sex. Its prohibition rests on the ground that it discourages marriage, leaves the education and care of children insecure, depraves and defiles the mind more than any other vice, and thus makes one unfit for the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9; etc.). Our Lord forbids the thoughts that lead to it (cf. Matthew 5:28).
FORNICATION (Gk. porneia). Used of illicit sexual intercourse in general (Acts 15:20, 29; Acts 21:25; cf. 1 Cor. 5:1; 1 Cor. 6:13, 18; 1 Cor. 7:2; etc.). It is distinguished from “adultery” (Gk. moicheia, in Matthew 15:19; Mark 7:21). The NIV usually translates porneia as “sexual immorality” and moicheia as “adultery.” Jahn (Biblical Archaeology, sec. 158) thus distinguishes between adultery and fornication among nations where polygamy exists: “If a married man has criminal intercourse with a married woman, or with one promised in marriage, or with a widow expecting to be married with a brother-in-law, it is accounted adultery. If he is guilty of such intercourse with a woman who is unmarried it is considered fornication.” At the present time adultery is the term used of such an act when the person is married, fornication when unmarried; and fornication may be defined as lewdness of an unmarried person of either sex. Its prohibition rests on the ground that it discourages marriage, leaves the education and care of children insecure, depraves and defiles the mind more than any other vice, and thus makes one unfit for the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9; etc.). Our Lord forbids the thoughts that lead to it (cf. Matthew 5:28).
If someone have sex just to relieve that seven years itch, and which means that they just been intimated with someone without being devoted in order to just to please the flesh, that's called fornication. But if both party agree on having sex without being devoted, they are consider to be dead or soul-less;, for they doesn't have a spiritual soul in them. Maybe later down the line one or both might conceive a spiritual soul.
It can be argued that two people who engage in sex with their parents permission are married in God's eyes. Sex is a consummation. Ritual marriage is about getting the parents approval and making a commitment.
The word 'married' itself means to join two things together. And the concept of sex is that 'two become one'.
The word 'married' itself means to join two things together. And the concept of sex is that 'two become one'.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]28 [/SUP]But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. matthewn5:27-28 if simply looking at a woman lustfully is sinful then how much more is having sex without being married to her?
1 Cor 6:18-20
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
that was a counter argument to the corinthians. They would say all things are lawful and Paul would say but you shouldn't do sinful things "expedient". Bear in mind that the epistles to the corinthians still say there are things that are sinful whereas by your statement there is no longer anything sinful
2 Timothy 3:2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,
treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God
without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good,
treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God
It's making sense depends on what way you interpret it. I worded it the way I thought it. The way I see it.
As far as biblical, Jewish (of Jesus times) marriage goes. That's why I'm saying the ritual of the time isn't necessarily the 'correct path'.
But yea, if we're gonna go all out; I suppose parents do have the God-right to marry their children off to one another.
As far as biblical, Jewish (of Jesus times) marriage goes. That's why I'm saying the ritual of the time isn't necessarily the 'correct path'.
But yea, if we're gonna go all out; I suppose parents do have the God-right to marry their children off to one another.
BUt then I'm not someone who goes for the whole 'gotta believe it all word for word'. A lot of the bible is metaphor and gives examples of stories relating to the time.
as far as actual marriage in God's eyes, I don't think he sat Adam and Eve down and gave them vows. I think marriage is a symbol of commitment because it's something that, as Earth's human population expanded, was a good idea because there was commitment issues.
If two people have their parents approval and commit their lives to one another, then they consummate and they are married.
as far as actual marriage in God's eyes, I don't think he sat Adam and Eve down and gave them vows. I think marriage is a symbol of commitment because it's something that, as Earth's human population expanded, was a good idea because there was commitment issues.
If two people have their parents approval and commit their lives to one another, then they consummate and they are married.
Having consensual sex with a man or a woman is lawful. Abraham had sex with his wife's maid. And she GAVE her to him. It is LAWFUL for me to have sex with any woman that would have sex with me, though not expedient meaning if I do have sex with a bunch of females, I will get what comes along with that. Std's, babies, and drama. If I have sex with a "married" woman or one who has a boyfriend, I know what comes along with that is usually not good. So even though I can do it, it's not in my or that female's best interest to do so.
Please do not kill people just for sex. There are bigger issues to conquer than this.
Please do not kill people just for sex. There are bigger issues to conquer than this.