SHALL WEAR OUT THE SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH

[john832]

Oh my those golden calves do get quite boisterous.

Christ finished the work of atonement.

No, actually He has not finished it. That will be an ongoing process. He will make the nations at one with Him when He returns and continue to make people at one with Him throughout the Millennium and Last Great Day. In actuality, when one considers the numbers involved, He is just getting started.

The Father is going to judge this world by His Son.

No, that is not accurate...

Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

The Father has bestowed the entire process of judging on Christ. The Father does not judge through Christ, He does not judge AT ALL.

The atonement is done the victory is won. Christ rose from the tomb and ascended on high. This world is awaiting judgment and is storing up wrath against itself. The church has no part in that. The church is not appointed to wrath. The church does not stand before the GWT. The church is not here during the tribulation. The church will rule and reign with Christ during the Millennium and the church will have a part in the New Jerusalem but that again has naught to do with the finished work of Christ.

What do you think of those who wish to tell God what God must do or point out where God left something undone?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Ray Charles could see the current world is not at one with God. The atonement (at one ment) is not completed...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Notice the time frame? AT HIS COMING.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

This one sentence encapsulates 1100 years of human history. To get more detail one must go to Rev 20...

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

We saw in I Cor 15 that the first resurrection occurs at Christ's coming. Then comes the 1000 years of Christ's reign on earth. Then the rest of the dead are resurrected for their chance at salvation. Rev 20:11-12

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

He reigns for 1000 years and the resurrected saints reign with Him...

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

This is the last enemy standing in the way of complete at-one-ment with God. When is it destroyed?

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

At the time when the incorrigibly wicked are cast into the Lake of Fire. After the Millennium and GWTJ (also known as the Last Great Day).

1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

The He who put all things under His feet is the Father. The One excepted is the Father, He is not put under Christ's rule. In fact the opposite is true...

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Christ willingly puts Himself into subjection under the Father (and what a wonderfully perfect place to be).

Then, finally, the real Atonement (the making of all things at one with God) occurs...

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[john832]

Did the laws exist before the garden also ?

Yep, Christ says so...

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

[ELECT]

You can find the answer at JW.org , an amazing website with so much information that is based on the bible rather than opinions or guesses.


Definitely worth checking out !!!!

when was the devil cast out of Heaven ?

 

[john832]

when was the devil cast out of Heaven ?

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This has apparently not occurred yet...

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Immediately after the Devil being cast out, he comes to earth and inspires the most virulent persecution of the church in history. This is then the time of the flight of the church to a Place of Safety.

 

[ELECT]

You can find the answer at JW.org , an amazing website with so much information that is based on the bible rather than opinions or guesses.


Definitely worth checking out !!!!

you shall surely get banned

 

[ELECT]

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This has apparently not occurred yet...

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Immediately after the Devil being cast out, he comes to earth and inspires the most virulent persecution of the church in history. This is then the time of the flight of the church to a Place of Safety.

Where did the gathering in Job 1 take place ?

 

[ELECT]

Yep, Christ says so...

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Therefore there was a law to define sin sin the devil was the first sinner? interesting

why was not grace shown to the devil but only man ?

 

[ELECT]

No, actually He has not finished it. That will be an ongoing process. He will make the nations at one with Him when He returns and continue to make people at one with Him throughout the Millennium and Last Great Day. In actuality, when one considers the numbers involved, He is just getting started.



No, that is not accurate...

Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

The Father has bestowed the entire process of judging on Christ. The Father does not judge through Christ, He does not judge AT ALL.



Ray Charles could see the current world is not at one with God. The atonement (at one ment) is not completed...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Notice the time frame? AT HIS COMING.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

This one sentence encapsulates 1100 years of human history. To get more detail one must go to Rev 20...

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

We saw in I Cor 15 that the first resurrection occurs at Christ's coming. Then comes the 1000 years of Christ's reign on earth. Then the rest of the dead are resurrected for their chance at salvation. Rev 20:11-12

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

He reigns for 1000 years and the resurrected saints reign with Him...

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

This is the last enemy standing in the way of complete at-one-ment with God. When is it destroyed?

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

At the time when the incorrigibly wicked are cast into the Lake of Fire. After the Millennium and GWTJ (also known as the Last Great Day).

1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

The He who put all things under His feet is the Father. The One excepted is the Father, He is not put under Christ's rule. In fact the opposite is true...

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Christ willingly puts Himself into subjection under the Father (and what a wonderfully perfect place to be).

Then, finally, the real Atonement (the making of all things at one with God) occurs...

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

The Father will judge the world by Jesus

Acts 17:30-31King James Version (KJV)

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he ( God the Father ) will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

 

[ELECT]

[h=1]Psalm 50 King James Version (KJV)[/h]50 The mighty God, even the Lord, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof.
2 Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.
4 He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.
5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.

 

[notuptome]

No, actually He has not finished it. That will be an ongoing process. He will make the nations at one with Him when He returns and continue to make people at one with Him throughout the Millennium and Last Great Day. In actuality, when one considers the numbers involved, He is just getting started.

No doubt that is why Christ said from the cross it is finished. The writer of Hebrews no doubt failed to confer with you when under Holy Spirit inspiration he wrote that Christ entered one time into the holy place having obtained eternal redemption for us.
We are just starting our walk with Christ but the work of Christ is complete.

No, that is not accurate...

OK all men are judged already. All men are sinners and the wages of sin is death.

Ray Charles could see the current world is not at one with God. The atonement (at one ment) is not completed...

This world will be destroyed and a new world created but the atonement of Christ is finished and wholly sufficient for every soul ever made. Ray Charles leads and both fall into the ditch. Sorry Ray.

If you do not receive Christ and get saved today you will be lost forever. God will not strive forever but will one day give one over to your self righteousness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ELECT]

No doubt that is why Christ said from the cross it is finished. The writer of Hebrews no doubt failed to confer with you when under Holy Spirit inspiration he wrote that Christ entered one time into the holy place having obtained eternal redemption for us.
We are just starting our walk with Christ but the work of Christ is complete. OK all men are judged already. All men are sinners and the wages of sin is death.
This world will be destroyed and a new world created but the atonement of Christ is finished and wholly sufficient for every soul ever made. Ray Charles leads and both fall into the ditch. Sorry Ray.

If you do not receive Christ and get saved today you will be lost forever. God will not strive forever but will one day give one over to your self righteousness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The work of Christ is not complete Jesus has more things to do to finish the salvation plan

Revelation 16:17
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Flamingspirit]

The work of Christ is not complete Jesus has more things to do to finish the salvation plan

Revelation 16:17
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

John 19

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!


27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.


28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.


29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.


30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

 

[john832]

No doubt that is why Christ said from the cross it is finished. The writer of Hebrews no doubt failed to confer with you when under Holy Spirit inspiration he wrote that Christ entered one time into the holy place having obtained eternal redemption for us.

No doubt He said from the cross that it is finished because of this...

Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

All is not finished. What is finished is the portion of work the Father assigned to Christ during His human life. If all is finished, then what in the world is Christ doing here...

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Satan has yet to be bound and the Millennium has yet to occur not to mention the Last Great Day.

We are just starting our walk with Christ but the work of Christ is complete. OK all men are judged already. All men are sinners and the wages of sin is death.

You missed this part...

Luk 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Luk 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Luk 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luk 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Luk 19:16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
Luk 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
Luk 19:18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
Luk 19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
Luk 19:20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
Luk 19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
Luk 19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
Luk 19:23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
Luk 19:24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
Luk 19:25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
Luk 19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Christ has yet to judge and hand out rewards. That occurs at His return...

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

This world will be destroyed and a new world created but the atonement of Christ is finished and wholly sufficient for every soul ever made. Ray Charles leads and both fall into the ditch. Sorry Ray.

Me thinks you don't understand what being at one with God means. That cannot fully happen until the source of sin is removed...

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

At one ment cannot be truly achieved until the source of bitterness, anger and sin is removed, until Satan is bound.

If you do not receive Christ and get saved today you will be lost forever. God will not strive forever but will one day give one over to your self righteousness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

This last statement is fallacious. By your reckoning, all who ever lived prior to the birth of Christ cannot be saved...

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

These are all relegated to the Lake of Fire? They never had a chance. Well, that is what the second resurrection, the Last Great Day is all about.

 

[ELECT]

John 19

26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!


27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.


28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.


29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.


30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

What was finished ?

 

[Flamingspirit]

What was finished ?

All of it. What we are experiencing now is the second death.

 

[john832]

All of it. What we are experiencing now is the second death.

Huh?

(ten characters)

 

[ELECT]

All of it. What we are experiencing now is the second

the whole bible has been finished heloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Straightshot]

Who is the he ?

He is Satan's beast in the human little horn of Daniel's visions [Jeremiah 30:8; Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 9:26-27 [the other prince that shall come]; 11:36-45: 12:7; Joel 2:22; Micah 5:5-5; Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-417:8-18]

How does he change laws and times ?

He will institute Koranic times and laws

What are these laws and times that will be changed ?

Suggest that you research Koranic laws

When will they change ?

This process is already being instituted in the Middle East by force .... the ISIL terrorists

What is time times and dividing of times ?

This time lapse is in reference to the second 1260 days [42 months] of the 70 weeks of years decreed for the nation of Israel

 

[ELECT]

Who is the he ?

He is Satan's beast in the human little horn of Daniel's visions [Jeremiah 30:8; Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 9:26-27 [the other prince that shall come]; 11:36-45: 12:7; Joel 2:22; Micah 5:5-5; Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-417:8-18]

How does he change laws and times ?

He will institute Koranic times and laws

What are these laws and times that will be changed ?

Suggest that you research Koranic laws

When will they change ?

This process is already being instituted in the Middle East by force .... the ISIL terrorists

What is time times and dividing of times ?

This time lapse is in reference to the second 1260 days [42 months] of the 70 weeks of years decreed for the nation of Israel

why do some say it is the changing of the sabbath to sunday

the first month from march april to january

the day starting from sunset to 12 am ?

 

[Straightshot]

The SDA church organization teaches the Saturday/Sunday switching

This has nothing to do with the scriptures related to Daniel's visions of the human little .... the Islamic caliph that is coming to rule the Middle East