Should I Tithe or Pay My Bills? Part 2
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Luke 4:18 King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
As His ambassador, He has sent Me to preach....the command is still the same...let My people go.
As His ambassador, He has sent Me to preach....the command is still the same...let My people go.
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well, how we would we know?
I'm almost certain that you are the only one here (almost certain) who is buried in Jimmy Swaggart Bible which takes great liberty to interpret scripture according to Swaggart himself
you refer to that text as though it was the word of God but it is really the word of Swaggart who draws conclusions no one else ever has
for example, Swaggart has concluded that heaven is a planet north of earth. seriously...this is what he writes in his personal Bible that you refer to. as follows:
everyone should note that in the Swaggart edition..he calls it the Expositor's Bible..the words in red are...wait for it...Swaggarts. above it can be seen that Swaggart decides heaven is a planet north of earth because that direction is not included with the rest.
so in other words, Swaggart INTERPRETS something, in the OT (Psalm 75) not mentionned anywhere else and decides that heaven is north. would someone please point out what north would be in the vast universe?
from his Bible: II Corinthians 12
at any rate, Paul says God's heaven is the 3rd heaven, with our own atmosphere being 1, the universe being 2 and God's heaven outside of those. it would also be helpful to remember that the Bible also states that the universe will be burned up so when that happens, will there be a great cosmological Fire Station to put it out?
Swaggart also says God has a body and the Holy Spirit has a body too. from Exodus:
I guess you can snicker about the planet heaven and raise your eyebrows at God having a body when it is clearly written in scripture that He does not have a body, nor does the Holy Spirit.
however, the Expositing Swaggart is non-stop throughout his prodigious exertions to create his better understanding of the word of God. they are better, of course, because Swaggart has a better understanding of the gospel than the men called by Christ personally as evidenced below in another 'clip' from his exertions
his thoughts on Paul:
so, umm, yeah. Paul did not know what he was talking about. enter Swaggart who also believes he is the only one who has the better understanding
IMO, there is a demonic spirit behind this nonsense which is contagious if one accepts it
your business then becomes the Swaggart mission of demanding everyone see it your way; or perhaps Swaggart's way would be more appropriate
there is no way the Holy Spirit is teaching this nonsense, and since the Bible, NT, clearly reveals there are doctrines of demons, I do believe we are seeing some of them in Swaggart's painful revelations which are outside of any accepted doctrine of God as revealed through those God chose and had write the 'once and for all delivered truth' most of us espouse
and this is the difficulty of trying to reason with someone who has sold himself out to this strange and not wonderful teaching known as 'Message of the Cross'
I'm almost certain that you are the only one here (almost certain) who is buried in Jimmy Swaggart Bible which takes great liberty to interpret scripture according to Swaggart himself
you refer to that text as though it was the word of God but it is really the word of Swaggart who draws conclusions no one else ever has
for example, Swaggart has concluded that heaven is a planet north of earth. seriously...this is what he writes in his personal Bible that you refer to. as follows:
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so in other words, Swaggart INTERPRETS something, in the OT (Psalm 75) not mentionned anywhere else and decides that heaven is north. would someone please point out what north would be in the vast universe?
from his Bible: II Corinthians 12
Swaggart also says God has a body and the Holy Spirit has a body too. from Exodus:
however, the Expositing Swaggart is non-stop throughout his prodigious exertions to create his better understanding of the word of God. they are better, of course, because Swaggart has a better understanding of the gospel than the men called by Christ personally as evidenced below in another 'clip' from his exertions
his thoughts on Paul:
so, umm, yeah. Paul did not know what he was talking about. enter Swaggart who also believes he is the only one who has the better understanding
IMO, there is a demonic spirit behind this nonsense which is contagious if one accepts it
your business then becomes the Swaggart mission of demanding everyone see it your way; or perhaps Swaggart's way would be more appropriate
there is no way the Holy Spirit is teaching this nonsense, and since the Bible, NT, clearly reveals there are doctrines of demons, I do believe we are seeing some of them in Swaggart's painful revelations which are outside of any accepted doctrine of God as revealed through those God chose and had write the 'once and for all delivered truth' most of us espouse
and this is the difficulty of trying to reason with someone who has sold himself out to this strange and not wonderful teaching known as 'Message of the Cross'
WE HAD A SERMON ON TITHING LAST SUNDAY,AND THIS IS WHAT I LEARNT
1. WE CANNOT GIVE THAT WHICH WE HAVE NOT REVIEVED
2.GOD DOESNT NEED OUR MATERIAL WEALTH,INFACT HE IS THE CREATOR,EVERTHING IN THE HEAVENS AND ON THE EART BELONGS TO HIM.
3.TITHING ORIGINATED FROM ABRAHAM WHEN HE GAVE 10% OF WHAT HE HAD REOVERD
4.IN THE OLD TESTAMENT PEOPLE USUALY TITHED IN THE FORM OF PRODUCE OF THEIR 1ST HARVEST,AND IT WAS SHARED TOGETHER ,THEY FED THE POOR THE CONGERGATION ETC
5.TITHING IS NOT ONLY ABOUT MONEY OR EARTHLY MATERIALS,GOD HAS ALSO GIVEN EACH ONE OF US DIFFERENT GIFTS,HOW DO YOU USE THEM IN A WAY THAT BEARS FRUIT FOR GODS GLORY,EG IF YOU ARE STRONG IN SPIRIT HOW ARE YOU HELPING YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST WHO ARE POOR IN SPIRIT,?
6.YES THERES A NEW TESTAMENT THAT SUMS UP THE COMMANDMENTS OF CHRIST AND IT IS THAT OF LOVE,WHAT WOULD YOU GIVE TO YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN AS THANKSGIVINGAS GRACIOUS AS HE HAS BEEN TO YOU?
7.IF GOD WAS TO MULTIPLY WHAT YOU GIVE HIM WOULD YOU BE HAPPY WITH YOUR RESULTS?
8.IF YOU CALCULATE HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO TITHE,THEN CLEARLY YOU HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD THE MEANING OF IT.
1. WE CANNOT GIVE THAT WHICH WE HAVE NOT REVIEVED
2.GOD DOESNT NEED OUR MATERIAL WEALTH,INFACT HE IS THE CREATOR,EVERTHING IN THE HEAVENS AND ON THE EART BELONGS TO HIM.
3.TITHING ORIGINATED FROM ABRAHAM WHEN HE GAVE 10% OF WHAT HE HAD REOVERD
4.IN THE OLD TESTAMENT PEOPLE USUALY TITHED IN THE FORM OF PRODUCE OF THEIR 1ST HARVEST,AND IT WAS SHARED TOGETHER ,THEY FED THE POOR THE CONGERGATION ETC
5.TITHING IS NOT ONLY ABOUT MONEY OR EARTHLY MATERIALS,GOD HAS ALSO GIVEN EACH ONE OF US DIFFERENT GIFTS,HOW DO YOU USE THEM IN A WAY THAT BEARS FRUIT FOR GODS GLORY,EG IF YOU ARE STRONG IN SPIRIT HOW ARE YOU HELPING YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST WHO ARE POOR IN SPIRIT,?
6.YES THERES A NEW TESTAMENT THAT SUMS UP THE COMMANDMENTS OF CHRIST AND IT IS THAT OF LOVE,WHAT WOULD YOU GIVE TO YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN AS THANKSGIVINGAS GRACIOUS AS HE HAS BEEN TO YOU?
7.IF GOD WAS TO MULTIPLY WHAT YOU GIVE HIM WOULD YOU BE HAPPY WITH YOUR RESULTS?
8.IF YOU CALCULATE HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO TITHE,THEN CLEARLY YOU HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD THE MEANING OF IT.
Respectfully, tithing is not about generosity, supporting the church, giving to God, or any other expression of faith or charity.
Tithing was a commandment set out for Israel. Some Christians use the OT laws and examples of tithing as requirements for Christians... that is bad teaching because Christians are not under the OT law.
Abram (Abraham) paid a "tithe" from war spoils only. This had nothing to do with Abram's faith; it was a recognition of the greatness of Melchizedek, and is not a general exemplar for Christians. There is no biblical record of Abram ever paying a tithe from his own income or belongings.
Please read Galatians to understand the Christians relationship to the OT law. If we tithe as of the law, expecting benefits of tithing as of the law, we must follow the whole law.
Tithing was a commandment set out for Israel. Some Christians use the OT laws and examples of tithing as requirements for Christians... that is bad teaching because Christians are not under the OT law.
Abram (Abraham) paid a "tithe" from war spoils only. This had nothing to do with Abram's faith; it was a recognition of the greatness of Melchizedek, and is not a general exemplar for Christians. There is no biblical record of Abram ever paying a tithe from his own income or belongings.
Please read Galatians to understand the Christians relationship to the OT law. If we tithe as of the law, expecting benefits of tithing as of the law, we must follow the whole law.
IIRC he got banned at some point last year, not sure if it was temporary or what exactly happened - i wasn't online whenever it went down.
i imagine he cranked the volume on his "broken record" player to 11 in some thread or another, and enough people got rubbed the wrong way & reported him that a mod stepped in, and i imagine he wasn't as polite as he could have been in response.
fairly regularly since then we've had a thread pop up that just seems tailor-made for him.
i imagine he cranked the volume on his "broken record" player to 11 in some thread or another, and enough people got rubbed the wrong way & reported him that a mod stepped in, and i imagine he wasn't as polite as he could have been in response.
fairly regularly since then we've had a thread pop up that just seems tailor-made for him.
if that's the case i wonder what his church's bills look like..
if you ran a church and the church itself owed money on loans and utility bills and payment to contractors who did work on the building & grounds etc, would you be justified to default on all that while paying the choir director's salary and fees for 'guest evangelists' etc, in the name of 'seek ye first His righteousness' ?
still seems pretty obvious to me. 'of course not!'
.. and you might want to coerce the congregation into giving more to cover your bills. call it 'tithing' cause it sounds Biblical, and make sure they feel guilty if they don't pay up.
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