Should we save endangered species or not?

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JaumeJ

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According to the Word there is a prophesy. The earth lies polluted under its inhabitants for the fruit of their doing. God is doing nothing, those helping God to bring about the end of this age are doing nothing, but unbelieiving mankind is doing it all. Is that not odd, just as God foretold. Praise God,
amen.



Mic 7:13
Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.


Isa 24:5
The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.


Isa 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.


　
There is another in a third prophesy, but these are reasons why mankind dwells on land he, himself, has polluted.....and still going great guns.
 
JaumeJ

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Does anyone need a quote from the Word when the Holy Spirit is present?. Are you saying I need a quote to prove we are to be thankful, and not just with lip service but in doing?

Any child can understand what was posted without need for a specific quote. Are you thankful for what our Father gives us?

Do you not adore His attentions enough to care for His blessings in any manner possible? Please do not pursue this line of interrogation, it is too reminiscent of too many evil times, beginning with the Pharisees.



Xioneks said:
I'm not sure where you get that from. Can you give your source?
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JaumeJ said:
Does anyone need a quote from the Word when the Holy Spirit is present?. Are you saying I need a quote to prove we are to be thankful, and not just with lip service but in doing?

Any child can understand what was posted without need for a specific quote. Are you thankful for what our Father gives us?

Do you not adore His attentions enough to care for His blessings in any manner possible? Please do not pursue this line of interrogation, it is too reminiscent of too many evil times, beginning with the Pharisees.
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I apologize if my last reply was offensive, but the reason that I said that is because I do not want to be like sheep led astray. I thank you for your concern on this subject.
 
JaumeJ

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You have done nothing for which to apologize. You must ask when you truly do not know. You are a wise person for your years. God bless you now and always...................family in Spain...Terima kasih

Xioneks said:
I apologize if my last reply was offensive, but the reason that I said that is because I do not want to be like sheep led astray. I thank you for your concern on this subject.
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Cycel said:
I would understand what you meant by cats being "the other white meat" if I was a Christian?
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hey, it couldn't hurt.............who knows? Try it...........Try Him.......He will surely be there for you...........
 
p_rehbein

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Cycel said:
The article you linked to is a good one, but why the "sigh" and why the comment, "again with the passenger pigeons?" The article supports my point. Humans are fully capable of doing much damage to the life, and the environment, on this earth.
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...........sigh.............
 
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dcontroversal said:
So now your judging the way I responded hah now it is getting humorous. I am glad the "text" police are in this chat room and have the ability to read motive and or temperament. Now that is worthy of a (SIGH) hahahahahha ;)
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note..............if you are going to use "sigh," please do so appropriately. Example:

.......sigh........

wasn't referring to your motive or temperament, ..........sigh..........

(see, that's the proper use of "sigh")

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Can anybody please answer my question of which I'm pondering on.
 
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Cycel said:
They don't break the cat's feet however, this woman was not properly informed. On the other hand it is fairly major surgery and requires a very painful recovery period. There are alternatives. Unless of course you want to punish your cat to get even with those people carrying out abortions????
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no, they don't "break" the cat's paws...
what they do is analogous to cutting off a person's fingers at the knuckles.

the "painful recovery period" amounts to the rest of the cat's natural life. the maimed animal will have trouble walking for the rest of its life and will 99 times out of 100 turn into a "biter" since it no longer has the use of it's paws the way God intended them to have.

declawing is immoral & heinous.
 
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A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.

(Proverbs 12:10)
 
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Animals are nice, they are wonderful;
They are like our children.
the bible says in the new earth (earth made new) we will have all kinds of animals

Man, however, is going to destroy the earth with his sinful warfare, and then God will come to destroy the men that have destroyed the earth. and destroy those who destroyed all Gods creatures.

it is a noble idea to save the creatures and it means you have a good heart,
but man and his politics is more evil than your wishes know

here is what is going to happen

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest destroy those who destroy the earth...

Radiation poisoning coming from evil demon possessed men ...

Hab 3:17 Although the fig tree shall not blossom, neither shall fruit be in the vines; the labour of the olive shall fail, and the fields shall yield no meat; the flock shall be cut off from the fold, and there shall be no herd in the stalls:

Sin is terrible.
God does not want to destroy man, but man will do it himself...
 
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mystdancer50 said:
I say we are to protect them because God made men and women stewards of His creation. God decides the ultimate end of His creation. We are not to decide that for Him. We are called to care for His creation. Some danger exists in the worship of this mentality, the idolatry of saving animals. It can become more important than saving human life to some people. And that is a dangerous thing.
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I second this. Also, as Christians we are commissioned to share the gospel and that should always be our primary goal. So, while I love animals and volunteer at a shelter, I don't believe that it would ever be acceptable for me to displace opportunities to serve others so that I can spend the majority of my time with animals or animal/environmental causes.

As for environmental causes, I always like to ask the question, "what is the [human] cost for this environmentally driven cause?". In political/voting measures, i like to read both arguments. There is always a cost for both choices, and sometimes the cost is too great for me to support (the environmental cause) when it is pushing back initiatives or opportunities that I deem to be a greater priority - generally, the human need.

Unfortunately, those kind of issues have no black/white answer. For me they are prayerfully considered.
 
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posthuman said:
no, they don't "break" the cat's paws...
what they do is analogous to cutting off a person's fingers at the knuckles.

the "painful recovery period" amounts to the rest of the cat's natural life. the maimed animal will have trouble walking for the rest of its life and will 99 times out of 100 turn into a "biter" since it no longer has the use of it's paws the way God intended them to have.

declawing is immoral & heinous.
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i second this. also, another reason i hate declawing is because it is unnecessary! there are excellent alternatives to dealing with this. if you are short on ideas, the list is almost endless, and i'm sure you can find a list longer than i can provide with a google search. the easiest is to put covers on the nails, which is far cheaper than the surgery itself.

it's an especially a cruel idea for those who choose to let their cats outdoors.
 
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JaumeJ said:
According to the Word there is a prophesy, in the past tense which means it is a sure thing. The earth lies polluted under its inhabitants for the fruit of their doing. God is doing nothing, those helping God to bring about the end of this age are doing nothing, but unbelieiving mankind is doing it all. Is that not odd, just as God foretold. Praise God, amen.[/QUOTE Rom 8: 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity not willingly, but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope. Because the creature itself shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of god. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together unto now. And not only they ,but we ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit , the redemption of our bodies.
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when God gave humanity dominion over the earth and its animals...it was not to say that it was our property...instead he was just putting us in charge of his stuff...so we have a responsibility to take care of it...

so we should do everything within reason to avoid unnecessary damage to God's creation...

also to those who have expressed the idea that other people should be our first priority instead of the animals...which i agree with...i just want to point out that we are learning more and more that many of these species are important for human wellbeing...

on the other hand there is a spiritually dangerous movement today that honors the creation more than anything else...i think it is no coincidence that this movement is a direct result of people rejecting the biblical account of creation...
 
JaumeJ

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Forgive me on that post, it was not in the past tense, ergo I reposted it without the comment for all to see. There are prophesies in the past tense that I have been taught are so because Yahweh, God, is not going to repent of what He has given the particular prophet. Please forgive my assumption that that one before furnishing the quote. Sometimes zeal works for error.

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JaumeJ said:
According to the Word there is a prophesy, in the past tense which means it is a sure thing. The earth lies polluted under its inhabitants for the fruit of their doing. God is doing nothing, those helping God to bring about the end of this age are doing nothing, but unbelieiving mankind is doing it all. Is that not odd, just as God foretold. Praise God, amen.[/QUOTE Rom 8: 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity not willingly, but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope. Because the creature itself shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of god. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together unto now. And not only they ,but we ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit , the redemption of our bodies.
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Xioneks said:
Can anybody please answer my question of which I'm pondering on.
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[TD]Scripture clearly states that God created, blessed, protected and made a covenant with the different species. As stewards of His creation we are called to do no less. It is our scriptural and moral duty to protect species and their habitat.

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I appreciate everybody's reply on this thread. I do agree with many of you that we, as sons and daughters of the Almighty God, should not torture or hurt animals. I also do agree that we should take care of God's creation, but putting humans before animals.

But according to 2 Peter 3:10 in NIV, the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare, and then according to Revelations the Earth will be made new.

So, I assume that the animals will all be destroyed(laid bare) since it is something "done in it(earth)". So why should we not let animals species just be extinct, I assume species in the wild get extinct in nature when man has not yet develop biological classification to this extent now.

The money funded for Endangered Species Act can be used instead to help the poor, devastated people & people in need for medical treatment and I don't need to mention the mass amount of verses in the Bible about giving to the poor and the needy, I have not found a verse which directly tells us about saving animal species.

And what happens if there are too much species in a habitat that a new more adaptable species naturally lowers an endangered species population to the brink of extinction and much money is needed to repopulate the endangered species and while that is happening there is natural disaster in a developing country. Which cause will a government give to?Split the fund and give more to "helping devastated people"?But isn't giving the whole fund to "helping devastated people" help them more then splitting the fund?
 
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Gjolll said:
No, the earth is not going to be renewed. It's going to be burnt up in fire. See 2 Peter.

So it's pretty pointless saving endangered species, unless they are big, fluffy, cuddly or magnificent specimens of God's creation, that our children should have the privilege of seeing. Ultimately the time is coming when all tigers are either going to be confined to zoos or reserves, as they are just too dangerous to have around.
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And yet we read...

Act 3:19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,
Act 3:20 and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before,
Act 3:21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

You have your timing wrong. Acts 3:21 occurs at the return of Christ and the Millenium will be a time when all is restored. After the Millenium and the GWTJ, then the earth is burned to purify it and cleanse it from sin adn the results of sin and the Father then brings New Jerusalem to the earth. Rev 20:1 - Rev 22:5
 
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