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still not over yourself?
silver platter Christians?
no one is a Christian without Jesus
I think you have an argument with your Creator more than anything else
as long as someone is making as much noise about how unfair God has been to them..which you are...they ain't as dead to themselves as they like to think
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we have witnessed these kind of things over many years, - but one of the things that
hurts us the most and breaks our hearts is the churches that don't take care of their
long-loyal-members -
who have dedicated their lives to up-holding, supporting their church & pastor = tithing, supporting in every
possible way that they could, no matter how poor - it is when we see that their needs are not met
or cared about and their church just doesn't step-in and take care of their brethren,
especially when they have lost a spouse and are so desperate to be shown an (appreciative at of love),
for their years of love, support, and dedication...not to mention how their house needs repairs,
and their need for help with the world's bills.
hurts us the most and breaks our hearts is the churches that don't take care of their
long-loyal-members -
who have dedicated their lives to up-holding, supporting their church & pastor = tithing, supporting in every
possible way that they could, no matter how poor - it is when we see that their needs are not met
or cared about and their church just doesn't step-in and take care of their brethren,
especially when they have lost a spouse and are so desperate to be shown an (appreciative at of love),
for their years of love, support, and dedication...not to mention how their house needs repairs,
and their need for help with the world's bills.
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By my understanding is more wicked than the pharisee , it is more in line with the harlot of Proverbs 7, many strong men have been slain by her. she lieth in wait at every corner.
Proverbs 7
Warnings about the Adulteress
1My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.2Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.3Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.4Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman:5That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words.6For at the window of my house I looked through my casement,7And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,8Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house,9In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night:10And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.11(She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:12Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)13So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him,14I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows.15Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.16I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt.17I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.18Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves.19For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey:20He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed.21With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.22He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks;23Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life.24Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth.25Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.26For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.27Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.
Shalom
Proverbs 7
Warnings about the Adulteress
1My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.2Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.3Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.4Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman:5That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words.6For at the window of my house I looked through my casement,7And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,8Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house,9In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night:10And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.11(She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:12Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)13So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him,14I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows.15Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.16I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt.17I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.18Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves.19For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey:20He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed.21With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.22He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks;23Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life.24Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth.25Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.26For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.27Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.
Shalom
John 12:42-43. 'Nevertheless, among the chief rulers also many believed on him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue. For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.'
There is a parallel to this thought that is readily apparent to those who have eyes and ears.
Many who do believe and accept Him, in the 'church', do see where the organization has strayed from biblical truth and sound scriptural footing but because of the exalted hiearchy of mammon lovers, Matt.23:4-12 and 20:25-26, 1Peter 5:3 and 2Peter 2:3,
they keep mum, a lid on it, mouths shut, lest they be asked to leave the 'church', for they wanted to fit in, and be accepted, not rejected and despised, not to feel the grief and sorry of having to stand alone in the wilderness with the likes of Jeremiah, Moses, and 'all' the prophets of old, Isaiah 53:3.
For they loved the praise of the 'pastor' and of the congregation more than the praise of God.
There is another sorrow that will come upon those that 'hide sin'.
Proverbs 10:10. He that winks with the eye (at wrong doing) will cause sorry (for others and himself).
Proverbs 28:13. He who covers (hides in secret) the sin of ommision, failing to do the right thing, to speak up, in-spite of the consequences of being cast out of the 'church', will not prosper.....
'Even Paul had to choose: 'and all the ecclesias in Asia have forsaken me' (for standing for the truth, no compromise, not playing 'church' games). 2Tim. 1:5.
If you are finally beginning to tell that something 'stinks in Denmark', but you love the praise of the 'pastor' more than the love of the truth and of God, then you are ripe for some 'sorrow'.
'But if serving God is undesirable to you then, choose you this day whom you will serve,' Joshua 24:15.
'If Baal ( lord, boss, exalted), is God, then serve him, If the Lord (Jesus) is God, then serve Him.' 1Kings 18:21 . Lords or Baals (exalted pastors) over His heritage are esteemed as kings and 'high ones', special and above in christendom, 1Peter 5:3.
1Peter 5:3 commands men NOT to be Baals (lords) over His people. Any lord other than the Lord, is an idol, a devil, baal!
Any man exalted above measure, 2Cor. 12:7, will mete out sorrow to others and meet with 'sorrow' himself.
If you've been handed a 'silver platter', with flattery, and you wink at the heresies to maintain your position, drop it and run. Run as fast as you can. The calamity being built up for the day of wrath, Romans 2:5, is not worth the short lived sweetness in the mouth, Job 20:12.
Romans 2:5. 'But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, (because you love the praise of men and the 'pastor') you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath.....'
Body of Christ.....now is the time to repent and dismantle this monster so adoringly called 'church'. It is NOT the ecclesia of the NT. Get rid of all the silver platters, humble outselves and pray, 2Chron. 7:14, before its way to late?
Sounding the trumpet, Joel 2:1 ...let the people tremble..(in repentance) .for the day of the Lord is coming..it is close at hand...
There is a parallel to this thought that is readily apparent to those who have eyes and ears.
Many who do believe and accept Him, in the 'church', do see where the organization has strayed from biblical truth and sound scriptural footing but because of the exalted hiearchy of mammon lovers, Matt.23:4-12 and 20:25-26, 1Peter 5:3 and 2Peter 2:3,
they keep mum, a lid on it, mouths shut, lest they be asked to leave the 'church', for they wanted to fit in, and be accepted, not rejected and despised, not to feel the grief and sorry of having to stand alone in the wilderness with the likes of Jeremiah, Moses, and 'all' the prophets of old, Isaiah 53:3.
For they loved the praise of the 'pastor' and of the congregation more than the praise of God.
There is another sorrow that will come upon those that 'hide sin'.
Proverbs 10:10. He that winks with the eye (at wrong doing) will cause sorry (for others and himself).
Proverbs 28:13. He who covers (hides in secret) the sin of ommision, failing to do the right thing, to speak up, in-spite of the consequences of being cast out of the 'church', will not prosper.....
'Even Paul had to choose: 'and all the ecclesias in Asia have forsaken me' (for standing for the truth, no compromise, not playing 'church' games). 2Tim. 1:5.
If you are finally beginning to tell that something 'stinks in Denmark', but you love the praise of the 'pastor' more than the love of the truth and of God, then you are ripe for some 'sorrow'.
'But if serving God is undesirable to you then, choose you this day whom you will serve,' Joshua 24:15.
'If Baal ( lord, boss, exalted), is God, then serve him, If the Lord (Jesus) is God, then serve Him.' 1Kings 18:21 . Lords or Baals (exalted pastors) over His heritage are esteemed as kings and 'high ones', special and above in christendom, 1Peter 5:3.
1Peter 5:3 commands men NOT to be Baals (lords) over His people. Any lord other than the Lord, is an idol, a devil, baal!
Any man exalted above measure, 2Cor. 12:7, will mete out sorrow to others and meet with 'sorrow' himself.
If you've been handed a 'silver platter', with flattery, and you wink at the heresies to maintain your position, drop it and run. Run as fast as you can. The calamity being built up for the day of wrath, Romans 2:5, is not worth the short lived sweetness in the mouth, Job 20:12.
Romans 2:5. 'But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, (because you love the praise of men and the 'pastor') you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath.....'
Body of Christ.....now is the time to repent and dismantle this monster so adoringly called 'church'. It is NOT the ecclesia of the NT. Get rid of all the silver platters, humble outselves and pray, 2Chron. 7:14, before its way to late?
Sounding the trumpet, Joel 2:1 ...let the people tremble..(in repentance) .for the day of the Lord is coming..it is close at hand...
Hi Yet!
I like a lot of your ideas, and I'm trying to figure out how they work.
Truth in a nutshell
"Many professing Christians are under the strong delusion that a "church" is a particular organization, an institution, a building, a "local expression," or even some sort of conclave that they attend."
"...on the other hand, the “church” (ecclesia) that we see in Scripture, of course has none of these strange properties; NONE whatsoever!"
how will Christians partake of the Lord's supper without a local expression or conclave? How will we know if we need to wait for someone?
I like a lot of your ideas, and I'm trying to figure out how they work.
Truth in a nutshell
"Many professing Christians are under the strong delusion that a "church" is a particular organization, an institution, a building, a "local expression," or even some sort of conclave that they attend."
"...on the other hand, the “church” (ecclesia) that we see in Scripture, of course has none of these strange properties; NONE whatsoever!"
how will Christians partake of the Lord's supper without a local expression or conclave? How will we know if we need to wait for someone?
Do you believe all pastors "keep mum, a lid on it, mouths shut"?
Do you believe there are some pastors who, rather than pander to error, point out what is going on and warn that there may come a time when believers may be driven underground?
You are not alone in the wilderness. If you stand alone, it is your choice to do so.
Do you believe there are some pastors who, rather than pander to error, point out what is going on and warn that there may come a time when believers may be driven underground?
You are not alone in the wilderness. If you stand alone, it is your choice to do so.
how can we say we have love for one another if we hate to assemble with each other?
is CC really a substitute for in-the-flesh fellowship?
if there are literally your brothers and your sisters in your town, and you know exactly where you can find them at least once a week, what does it say about your love for them if you jut your chin and cross your arms and stay home month after month, year after year, instead?
[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]no, silly, i'm talking about someone else:
[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]
there's a man i know who says he has Christ, but he refuses to come to any church function whatsoever, and when we meet at his home, he says he doesn't even need to read the Bible, because he has the Spirit. he has one diatribe about spiritual things that he constantly repeats, whenever he can see a way to fit it in, but other than that, he has little to say when we study in his presence. he owns a business, and i used to think that he worked sunday mornings, because it is profitable for his business, and he had said that he doesn't want to force his employees to work that day -- and that this is why he never comes to meet with the rest of the church he's loosely associated with. but i learned recently that he doesn't open his shop until later in the day, and that it's usually his wife who is running it, while he stays home, keeping to himself in an upper room.
i wonder about him. i love him -- i am sad thinking about him, and fear for him, and i think of him and feel for him in the same way one would think of a family member who has a debilitating, fatal disease, who is bedridden and frail, and incoherent from his malady, rambling about a few things stuck in his craw; a person whose vitality and life is slipped away and slipping further. a shell, a husk -- a thing that when you turn away from, you want to weep, but when you look at, you force yourself to smile. a friend who has been very troubled who you have no idea how to console.
how do i reach this man -- what do i say to him?
is he really my brother at all?
is CC really a substitute for in-the-flesh fellowship?
if there are literally your brothers and your sisters in your town, and you know exactly where you can find them at least once a week, what does it say about your love for them if you jut your chin and cross your arms and stay home month after month, year after year, instead?
[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]no, silly, i'm talking about someone else:
[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]
there's a man i know who says he has Christ, but he refuses to come to any church function whatsoever, and when we meet at his home, he says he doesn't even need to read the Bible, because he has the Spirit. he has one diatribe about spiritual things that he constantly repeats, whenever he can see a way to fit it in, but other than that, he has little to say when we study in his presence. he owns a business, and i used to think that he worked sunday mornings, because it is profitable for his business, and he had said that he doesn't want to force his employees to work that day -- and that this is why he never comes to meet with the rest of the church he's loosely associated with. but i learned recently that he doesn't open his shop until later in the day, and that it's usually his wife who is running it, while he stays home, keeping to himself in an upper room.
i wonder about him. i love him -- i am sad thinking about him, and fear for him, and i think of him and feel for him in the same way one would think of a family member who has a debilitating, fatal disease, who is bedridden and frail, and incoherent from his malady, rambling about a few things stuck in his craw; a person whose vitality and life is slipped away and slipping further. a shell, a husk -- a thing that when you turn away from, you want to weep, but when you look at, you force yourself to smile. a friend who has been very troubled who you have no idea how to console.
how do i reach this man -- what do i say to him?
is he really my brother at all?
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Have you even considered that maybe he has been harmed by a Church? Many Churches do damage to people. The top of the list one is the Roman Catholic Church. Many people have been greatly harmed by the Catholic Church.
Maybe this person has had his Faith in Jesus shattered by a Church or a person. By keeping people at bay, we then cannot be harmed by those people ever again.
These people are very hard to help because they fear being harmed again.
Maybe this person has had his Faith in Jesus shattered by a Church or a person. By keeping people at bay, we then cannot be harmed by those people ever again.
These people are very hard to help because they fear being harmed again.
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I think you may be on to something there paulmack I know a few people hurt and it's quite the issue.
First impressions last and I think this may be the story of yet.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...BB6719226AAF6FDDC060BB6719226AAF6FD&FORM=VIRE
First impressions last and I think this may be the story of yet.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...BB6719226AAF6FDDC060BB6719226AAF6FD&FORM=VIRE
I too see these singers and pastors compromising their faith you mentioned. A shame. But God can convict them.
Why don't you start a home church. We have had church in our home before. We had people standing in the hall it was growing so much. We eventually moved it to a church building.
It is never to late. Could that be what you should be doing?
A lady who has passed now had prayer meeting in her home one Saturday of the month. I will never forget it, and she was in her 80's. Very powerful meetings.
How about brush arbor or tent revival?
Why not give it a try? Forget the past move forward.
Why don't you start a home church. We have had church in our home before. We had people standing in the hall it was growing so much. We eventually moved it to a church building.
It is never to late. Could that be what you should be doing?
A lady who has passed now had prayer meeting in her home one Saturday of the month. I will never forget it, and she was in her 80's. Very powerful meetings.
How about brush arbor or tent revival?
Why not give it a try? Forget the past move forward.
if no one gave any money to CC, how would it pay its bills?
true!
I'm fine with local Christian groups collecting money to pay their bills.
I'm fine with CC collecting money to pay their bills.
Yet seems to be against local Christian groups collecting money to pay their bills.
Do you feel it's ok for local Christian groups to collect money?
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actually, I keep asking Yet for details about how Christians should meet together... he usually doesn't answer, or if he does, it's very vague...
sure thing! I was born again when I was five years old. I've attended many different 'flavors' of local Christian gatherings. I currently gather with a Methodist group on Monday nights and also for a book study group on Wednesday nights.
Please talk about the kind of fellowshipping you're doing now.