Silver platter christians?

[Dan_473]

Why do you refuse to tell anyone how you think a true NT fellowship meeting should look like to you?
I am new and asked you now 3x to tell us, but you never do..

People snake bit by the religious viper and have never taken the antidote[forgiveness] just inject venom themselves.

I would be very interested in what you think a NT fellowship meeting of believers should look like, but I am guarding my eyes and my skin from you, because like a cobra, all you do is spit death.

sometimes, not often, Yet talks about how he thinks churches ought to be... from what I've gleaned, it's house-churches with no leader.

Oddly, though, he doesn't seem to be part of a house-church or any kind of regular gathering of believers.

(Yet, am I correct on the above stuff?)



25 And let us not give up meeting together.

Some are in the habit of doing this.

Instead, let us encourage one another with words of hope. Let us do this even more as you see Christ’s return approaching.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=heb+10&version=nirv

 

[bikerchaz]

Instead if the word "church" think "community" or "family!" We met at the beach for worship, baptisms and a message from a pastor called to reach street people. We camped all weekend. Everyone cooked, cleaned, helped with the children, and used their gifts.

God blessed us with the Holy Spirit touching hearts and lives. We shared different ways to reach the lost in our hometown.
That is what "church" is all about! It is love, caring, teaching, sharing. It is the presence of God in our midst, and strangers becoming friends.

When I got saved 36 years ago, I came out of a background of being a professional musician. I gave my music to God, and trusted he would get me into a worship ministry where I would become famous. Instead, God gently humbled and taught me to be a servant, to play and sing when he called me. I pretty much always played flute, sang or led worship, but the "famous" part fell away long, long ago. I found a greater gift being sensitive and using my talents and skills to glorify God. I praise him for that!

God developed my character and shaped and molded me more through not getting famous than he ever could have if I had become a household name in Christian circles!

Yet, you speak out of thwarted ambition and bitterness for not receiving what you thought you deserved. The OP is one is the most bitter, broken testimonies I have ever read. It breaks my heart to see how arrogant you are towards God, and blaming it on men, when it is God you are so angry with.

Don't you you think if God wanted you in authority in music, teaching or preaching, that he wouldn't have done it? With God nothing is impossible! The angels are weeping that you do not trust him enough for a ministry other than false condemnation.

God never misses an opportunity to expound His love and acceptance, that's why were here. There is no lie here just down to earth grace in the face of satans duplicity. Listen with the Spirit that resides within you from the first when you heard and accepted JESUS as LORD OF YOUR LIFE.

There is no other call that will produce eternal life. There is no other name by which we can be saved, God is God and that is where we should draw the line. If Jesus is not foremost, in us, in love, IN LOVE! Then all is lost to us no matter what!

 

[pottersclay]

Extra butter and extra salt please might as well make it tasty!

Ok saint here ya go...now back to the movie..this is the best part ..watch someone will chime in and have no clue on the o.p. then a argument Will Pursue happens all the time..but it's fun to watch.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Well it seems you have made yourself judge and jury, however you forgot to lay down the sentence.

Do you know him well enough from a discussion board to lay down all these accusations.

Sad!

I know Yet has it in him to preach the gospel with an indepth understanding and a heart for God's people. That is where true joy will be found.

We all have our tales of woe and we can focus on ourselves for long periods of time. But when we finally get around to turning our focus on the Lord Jesus Christ, that is when deliverance comes.

 

[pottersclay]

My life has been a life of NO! I wanted to have a gospel band with harmony. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to publish my songs. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to 'pastor' as that is defined by the church. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to be an evangelist. God said NO, not going to happen.


Yet said he wanted shoulder length hair....guess what God said?

I'm sorry bro I had to..truly
My life has been a life of NO! I wanted to have a gospel band with harmony. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to publish my songs. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to 'pastor' as that is defined by the church. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to be an evangelist. God said NO, not going to happen.

 

[tourist]

I know Yet has it in him to preach the gospel with an indepth understanding and a heart for God's people. That is where true joy will be found.

We all have our tales of woe and we can focus on ourselves for long periods of time. But when we finally get around to turning our focus on the Lord Jesus Christ, that is when deliverance comes.

You are right in saying that we all have our tales of woe waiting on deliverance from our Lord Jesus Christ. That will be a glorious day.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I have worked in a law office for 37 years. A handful of times I considered going to law school. Each time I sought God's counsel on the matter, He closed the door.

I have always believed that in God closing the door and telling me NO, it was because He was watching over me. He always wants what is best for us. And sometimes what is best for us means we have to re-focus our attention.

We really do have a Heavenly Father who loves us so very much!

 

[vic1980]

It needs to be told. Now remember. Paul testified 'this you know, all they which are in Asia be turhed away from me.'

John proclaimed in 3John '(pastor) Diotrephes who loved to have the exalted position, received us not'. '...neither does he accept the brothers, ...and cast them out of the ecclesia(church).'

Paul and John were not chewing on sour grapes. No boo hooing there. They were 'sounding the alarm' and exposing the madness to warn others.

Now the benefit they had over those like me is that they fully understood the significance and MO of the body of Christ in the assembly. It wasn't all gummed up and turned on its head just yet, though Diotrephes gave a good accounting of himself to start the ball a rolling for the false cleric system. Didn't get off the ground just yet but it would with Ignatius of Antioch in the first century, and in the fourth century Constantine would take it to a whole new level. Can anybody see the devil in the details yet?

Just lately not too long ago studied on 3 John 1 , glad you brought it up, very interesting this Diotrephes . How he refused a letter John has written to the church, Diotrephes was fearing that his authority might be superseded by that of the apostle that walk with Christ.

These thing were occuring in the church not outside . Sometimes i wonder, how many actually follow a man that refused to receive a apostle that walk with Christ.

It make one ponder , how many in that church had discernment upon Diotrephes , and who escape such a man. How many in this generation escape such men that follow the same principles that reject the love for the body of Christ. The prime example of the pride of man creating divisions in the church , factions among themselves for there own benefits , and not the Body of the Lord.

Shalom

 

[Yet]

Why do you refuse to tell anyone how you think a true NT fellowship meeting should look like to you?
I am new and asked you now 3x to tell us, but you never do..

People snake bit by the religious viper and have never taken the antidote[forgiveness] just inject venom themselves.

I would be very interested in what you think a NT fellowship meeting of believers should look like, but I am guarding my eyes and my skin from you, because like a cobra, all you do is spit death.

You must be missing something. I've posted the chapters on the assembly at least a million times.

a million and one now: 1Cor.12, Romans 12, and Ephesians 4 have plenty to say about it. Funny how all these scriptures are hid from the ecclesia. Like you just said. You never see me pointing to them.

 

[Yet]

sometimes, not often, Yet talks about how he thinks churches ought to be... from what I've gleaned, it's house-churches with no leader.

Oddly, though, he doesn't seem to be part of a house-church or any kind of regular gathering of believers.

(Yet, am I correct on the above stuff?)



25 And let us not give up meeting together.

Some are in the habit of doing this.

Instead, let us encourage one another with words of hope. Let us do this even more as you see Christ’s return approaching.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=heb+10&version=nirv

Incorrect. We are gathered in our home. The Spirit always present.

Yes there is leadership in the ecclesia. I never ever said there wasn't. A multiplicity of elders. i constantly present that truth. But few are hearing me.

 

[Yet]

Just lately not too long ago studied on 3 John 1 , glad you brought it up, very interesting this Diotrephes . How he refused a letter John has written to the church, Diotrephes was fearing that his authority might be superseded by that of the apostle that walk with Christ.

These thing were occuring in the church not outside . Sometimes i wonder, how many actually follow a man that refused to receive a apostle that walk with Christ.

It make one ponder , how many in that church had discernment upon Diotrephes , and who escape such a man. How many in this generation escape such men that follow the same principles that reject the love for the body of Christ. The prime example of the pride of man creating divisions in the church , factions among themselves for there own benefits , and not the Body of the Lord.

Shalom

I do not blame the folks for the false cleric and tithing doctrines. It's what has been set in stone now for abot 1700 years. However, God will hold accountable those that are presented the word of God that contradicts about everything the church holds dear, and they turn their holier than thou noses up at it. Think: the pharisee spirit. I'm just saying...with love of course.

 

[Yet]

My life has been a life of NO! I wanted to have a gospel band with harmony. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to publish my songs. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to 'pastor' as that is defined by the church. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to be an evangelist. God said NO, not going to happen.


Yet said he wanted shoulder length hair....guess what God said?

I'm sorry bro I had to..truly
My life has been a life of NO! I wanted to have a gospel band with harmony. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to publish my songs. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to 'pastor' as that is defined by the church. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to be an evangelist. God said NO, not going to happen.

I did have long hair at one time. But now....see my picture. Lol.

 

[Sac49]

There seems to be a reason God keeps saying "NO" to you. All i have ever seen from you is a tearing down of the church in one way or another. God might actually say "yes" if you turned your attention to building others up instead of tearing them down.

 

[eph610]

You must be missing something. I've posted the chapters on the assembly at least a million times.

a million and one now: 1Cor.12, Romans 12, and Ephesians 4 have plenty to say about it. Funny how all these scriptures are hid from the ecclesia. Like you just said. You never see me pointing to them.

Thanks yet, I was not missing anything, I am new here and I am not about to go digging for your answers.
The message you present is valid, but your delivery is like a coiled viper.

Throwing out verses on the 5 fold and the 9 gifts does not clarify your position. Some of the best services I have been a part of where not in "formal" churches and not 1 5 fold gift was present and not any of the 9 gifts manifested
we just loved on God and he loved on us.

I checked your resources and you seem to be a home based church w/no leader advocate. That is all good and fine.

You seem to be more interested in seeking the destruction of what you see as apostate and silent on the Gospel.
While your mission is noble and accurate, your delivery is terrible and the perception you give is that you have been terribly and wrongly hurt in formal church settings.

At the core of the kingdom we must always operate in love, manifest compassion and can communicate what is wrong without venom. Your message is valid, but your method is turning people off.

Most if not all your resources never answer my question, it just rails against organized apostate churches.
So tell me, how do organize a group of sheep without a shepherd?

 

[pottersclay]

I did have long hair at one time. But now....see my picture. Lol.

Yet thank you so much...I felt so bad after I posted this but my humor got the best of me. Sorry if I offended you but I'm a sick puppy sometimes ....I love ya bro.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Here is what God says concerning false teachers:

2 Peter 2:

1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.


God is fully aware that there are false teachers and that many will follow them (vss 1-2).

However, God also will bring swift destruction (vs 1) and their damnation does not slumber (vs 3). These false teachers will face their day of judgment and they will be punished (vs 9). And in vs 11, angels do not dare bring accusations against them before God (vs 11).


But look what God says concerning the faithful – God saved Noah (vs 5), God delivered Lot, that righteous man who was vexed from day to day by unlawful deeds of sinners (vss 7-8).

And look at vs 9 --- Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations.

God will bring the faithful out of the corrupt church. And in some instances, faithful believers may sit in a corrupt church for a time and God will use them to give warning.


I am not advocating that we sit in a corrupt church, but if we are speaking God's Word to others, they just might hear to the point of faith, as we transition ourselves out of a corrupt church if that is where we find ourselves.

 

[UnderGrace]

Yet's point it seems to me is that denominations/institutions are by their very nature intrinsically corrupt and have been for a very long time.

So it is not a matter of one church having better doctrine or teachers but the structure and its adherents are in a system that is not what is laid out in scripture.

At least that is my take on what I have read and his links. So in essence there is no fixing it....it is time to just get out from all of it.

I have not been in it, for many years, so I do not see the controversy of what Yet talks about.

Here is what God says concerning false teachers:

2 Peter 2:

1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.


God is fully aware that there are false teachers and that many will follow them (vss 1-2).

However, God also will bring swift destruction (vs 1) and their damnation does not slumber (vs 3). These false teachers will face their day of judgment and they will be punished (vs 9). And in vs 11, angels do not dare bring accusations against them before God (vs 11).


But look what God says concerning the faithful – God saved Noah (vs 5), God delivered Lot, that righteous man who was vexed from day to day by unlawful deeds of sinners (vss 7-8).

And look at vs 9 --- Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations.

God will bring the faithful out of the corrupt church. And in some instances, faithful believers may sit in a corrupt church for a time and God will use them to give warning.


I am not advocating that we sit in a corrupt church, but if we are speaking God's Word to others, they just might hear to the point of faith, as we transition ourselves out of a corrupt church if that is where we find ourselves.

 

[GaryA]

Yet thank you so much...I felt so bad after I posted this but my humor got the best of me. Sorry if I offended you but I'm a sick puppy sometimes ....I love ya bro.

Do you need to go out into the back yard and eat some grass?

Oh, wait --- different kind of sick puppy...

Nevermind!

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Yet's point it seems to me is that denominations/institutions are by their very nature intrinsically corrupt and have been for a very long time.

So it is not a matter of one church having better doctrine or teachers but the structure and its adherents are in a system that is not what is laid out in scripture.

At least that is my take on what I have read and his links. So in essence there is no fixing it....it is time to just get out from all of it.

I have not been in it, for many years, so I do not see the controversy of what Yet talks about.

I do enjoy the intimacy of the home fellowship. And I believe God works within the small home fellowship as well as the larger church body. In other words, God can and does work with the believer whether the believer attends a small home church or a larger congregation.

I know the church I attend is not as Yet describes. In fact, we are warned on a regular basis about what is going on as far as corruption. Not all churches are part of what Yet describes.

 

[GaryA]

My life has been a life of NO! I wanted to have a gospel band with harmony. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to publish my songs. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to 'pastor' as that is defined by the church. God said NO, not going to happen.

I wanted to be an evangelist. God said NO, not going to happen.

So i staid in the factory jobs. Each birthday would go by. I'd pray 'Lord, i'm 25 now. I'm not getting any younger. When will you open my doors?'

Then 26, then 27, then 28, then 29. I'd see others get saved and then in a couple of years they are pastoring or one thing or another while God would keep me grinding away in the heat of a factory. Feeling year after year that i was being totally over looked by God, ignored. But i kept serving Him and trusting Him anyhow....in pain. Was there any other option? No.

One brother told me if he'd gone through what we'd gone through, he would have given up on God long ago.

I Told him that that's never been an option. So we trudged on.

Then i turned 30 and prayed the same prayer 'Lord, how much longer before we get to have a minstry like everyone else. I'm not getting any younger Lord'.

Then 31, then 32, then 40, then 45, then 50, then 55, then 60. I'm now 66. But now get it. Actually i figured things out at the age of 40. I knew we'd always be despised and rejected by churchians, especially the wolves in charge.

God kept us from 'making it' with the organised 'church'.....for good reason. See my threads.

For the past 15 years or so signs of the 'great apostasy' were getting clearer and more pronounced.

I could catalogue a very long list here but you need to do a google search on the 'falling away' of christendom.

A little bit of evidence.

The Hill Song Church singers that i thought the music and harmonies were awesome, and hurt that i could not have a gospel band.
Well they had everything handed to them on a silver platter and today they are bowing their knees to the pope, to islam, and to sodomy.

I could list the christian music artists that are going 'new age', bowing to Rome, and sodomy but i'll just mention a couple. The big one who had everything handed to him on a silver platter...Ray Boltz, out of the closet homo.

Michael W. Smith, bowing to the harlot of Rome with some new age sprinkled in. Everything handed to him on a silver platter, filling auditoriums at his 'awsome' concerts.

Preacher after preacher now bowing to the harlot with the one world church, many free masons and luciferians like Copeland and Graham. The list gors on about thrse satanic plants that were there to undermine the faith of many.

All these 41 years of trying to figure out why God would not allow me to excel in any form of ministry but kept me and my wife totally isolated and away from churchianity and all the foolishness and sin.

So now we see. My ministry is to SOUND THE ALARM, a watchman on the wall. Even our movie being despised by pastors and christians.

But today i rejoice with much thanksgiving to our Jesus for keeping us separated from all the corruption and apostasy.

You guys need to start googling some of this stuff. See: apostasy watch and apostasy now. Grow some clues about what's going on just before the return of Christ. Do you want to get this thing figured out before or after the rapture?

Like i said i could list the satanic garbage that so called christian pastors are leading the flock into but then most of you would just chew me out.

Actually this thread is NOT for those who malign me and His word on this but for the 'truth seekers', the humble that feel something is out of kilter, helter skelter with organised religion.

Yes i can talk about the kindness of God toward us on one hand but detail the the satanic inroads in the church on the other hand. His kindness is to open our eyes and warn us of these things.

So i humbly rejoice that i was not 'born again' with a silver spoon in my mouth or a silver platter on my lap. Thank-You Jesus.

I have not read all of Yet's posts or seen all of what is referenced in his signature, but - with regard to this OP -- Yet --- :

"I know exactly what you mean..."

( Imagine hearing that like Morpheus tells Neo in the Blue-Pill-Red-Pill scene in the movie 'The Matrix'. )

My life has a similar story -- God saying 'No' to different directions I thought I should go in -- me not being sure just exactly what He wants me to do, etc. -- that kind of thing.

I am very grateful that He said 'No' to some of the things that I thought I wanted - until I discovered the real truth about those things and what I would have gotten myself into... God's Knowledge and Wisdom are supreme! I testify!

The best place to be is when we reach the point that we say to God ( with all sincerity ):

"Lord -- forget what I want -- what do You want? After all, you know what is best for me. So, please just tell me what You want from me, and I will do it..."

Of course, sometimes it is difficult to understand what He is trying to tell us...

I digress.

I don't see this OP as "bitter venom" -- I see it as a testimony.

In similar fashion, my personal "ministry" is a "give warning" type of ministry as well...

The modern-day reality of our world is a lot "worse" than the absolute majority of the entire population of the Earth understands ( or, is even aware ) -- and, for the most part, are unwilling to believe.

The sheer 'heights' of deception by Satan on the whole world are incredible -- so much so, that most people vehemently refuse to believe it when they are told. Most people have no imaginable clue "just how much wool has been pulled over their eyes" without them even knowing it -- even before they were born - because, we were all born into it.

Satan has his fingers a whole lot deeper into everything than most people can even imagine -- even 'churches', 'religion', etc. Yes, that is correct. Satan has his fingers just as deep into 'Christian' music as he does in 'Rock', 'Country', etc. -- especially, and particularly - all the "mainstream" genres...

This [ last part ( previous paragraph ) ] is what Yet is trying to get you to see - and to investigate for yourself.

If you study the scriptures very carefully, I believe you will discover that "the first century church" - and a lot of what we "practice" today as Christians - and the way we "practice" it - are very different...

A lot has changed.

"Some of it is okay. Some of it is not."

( more later - perhaps? maybe... )

~

Yet: Please respond to post #14 -- from your personal perspective. Thanks.