Sinless perfection apology from Cobus

Cobus · Feb 6, 2013

Last night I spoke in the chatroom and many people heard the expression SINLESS perfection. Robo and I mentioned it and today I would like to apologise to all about the use of the word SINLESS....

My apology to God and all on CC.

I used the word sinless meaning without sin (or NO SIN). The word does not appear in the Bible and for this I want to apologise to God first. And to you all as well. Lord I preach what some refer to as SINLESS PERFECTION, and I agreed and aslo mentioned the Word sinless. I Abhor and recall the word sinless. Thank you for making me know I should not add to Your Word. Amen!
I am sorry my friends. But not to water down the Word and the meaning of “perfect as God is perfect” I would like to say this….
When Jesus said that we are to be perfect EVEN as out Father in heaven is perfect…. I ask this… Is this perfection WITHOUT SIN IN US. Does it mean that we CANNOT sin when we are as perfect EVEN as our Father in heaven is perfect. Well let us allow God to give the answer…. God says.. 1 John 3:9…. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Is God without sin, and is His perfection so pure that there is NO SIN IN HIM? Yes! 1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

So we can easily see that the perfection of God is WITHOUT SIN. And that is the perfection we should be EVEN too!
Thank you for your forgiveness friends on CC.
Perfection of God is NO SIN. None at all!

Abiding · Feb 6, 2013

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1 Cor 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Romans 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.

2 Cor 3:5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God.

Phil 2:13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.

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Cobus · Feb 6, 2013

Thank you Abiding, and will God do this? Will he give us this competence that even is to the level of PERFECTION?

Well I guess God will have to answer HIMSELF....

Ezekiel 36: 26 and 27....A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. .... And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgements, and do them.

Will God do this....
Ezekiel 36:36.... I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.

YES HE WILL DO IT!

Praise the Holy Name of Jesus, my salvation is in the NEW HEART! Lord let me also recieve a NEW HEART! AMEN!

Abiding · Feb 6, 2013

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When a person believes, yes, He does that. To a believer it isnt what He will do but what Hes done already.
Then we get about growing in grace and knowledge. We do what we were told to do, He can be trusted to
do what He promised.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Crossfire · Feb 6, 2013

Scripture does indeed state that we are to be perfect just as our Father in heaven is perfect. Unfortunately, many interpret such perfection to be sinless which is a complete misconception. Sinless perfection is nothing more than a sinful world's carnal, corrupt and distorted view of perfection. When in truth, scripture defines "perfection" as loving God more than anything and loving people as yourself.

Ironically, scripture states that such love is the fulfillment of the LAW although, man does not have the capacity in and of himself to love in such manner. However, all is not lost for such love is in fact a fruit (manifestation) of the indwelling Holy Spirit (Christ within). In time, such love is perfected in the hearts of those who willingly abandon their own will in favor of abiding / walking in the will of God through His Spirit.

Crossfire · Feb 6, 2013

Crossfire said:

I have found that "believers" who seem to be easily offended or seem to struggle with bitterness or unforgiveness seem to have the most trouble realizing that such love is indeed offered to us in this life through the Holy Spirit however, it is not an emotion or behavior that can be obtained through learning or accessed by choice.

"We love God because He first loved us"

Without God, man simply does not have the capacity to love in such manner. It is a fruit (characteristic) of the Holy Spirit, which is nothing less than God's nature living on the inside. The only way we can access such love is to (#1) surrender ourselves to the inner workings of the Holy Spirit and follow His lead, and (2) abide / walk in His pressence thus as we realize and experience God's love for us, we are empowered to love others just as He loves us.

"He who has been forgiven much, loves much"

Crossfire · Feb 6, 2013

Crossfire said:

I have found that "believers" who seem to be easily offended or seem to struggle with bitterness or unforgiveness seem to have the most trouble realizing that such love is indeed offered to us in this life through the Holy Spirit however, it is not an emotion or behavior that can be obtained through learning or accessed by choice.

"We love God because He first loved us"

Without God, man simply does not have the capacity to love in such manner. It is a fruit (characteristic) of the Holy Spirit, which is nothing less than God's nature living on the inside. The only way we can access such love is to (#1) surrender ourselves to the inner workings of the Holy Spirit and follow His lead, and (2) abide / walk in His pressence thus as we realize and experience God's love for us, we are empowered to love others just as He loves us.

"He who has been forgiven much, loves much"

While such love is accessible, it is not attainable. Man can not even begin to comprehend such love much less possess it or master it for himself. God is love. Such love is God himself made manifest in us.

Abiding · Feb 6, 2013

Id like to add to what was said Above. The Spirit and the Word work together and are indivisible.
Thats why we are to grow in grace and knowledge.

We could spend too much time trying to chant the promises and end result(of what we will mature into)
as if that was going to accomplish something when all it will really do is cause frustration, we would be better off just
reading the gospels and prayerfully look at the life of our Lord and hear His words. And walk as He walked.

IF after being saved He promises us He predestined us to be conformed into the image of His Son.
And told this happens through grace and knowledge. Then it only makes sense to get to it and forget
about wasting time "trying" to be perfect. We should do our job and leave the perfecting to the Lord.

If Jesus said anything repeatedly it was that He never did His own will. Then told us how to live.

psychomom · Feb 6, 2013

Cobus said:

Oh, Cobus, I just...love you.

I think the 'perfect' God speaks of is 'complete, lacking in nothing'.

It's more an adding to than a taking away from, if that makes sense.
It's adding to our love for God and for man,
and less about taking away from our wickedness.

If God adds to my love for Himself and for others,
the wickedness (sin) becomes less.
If God adds to me the character of Christ,
my own character decreases, and with it sin.

That's probably a poor analogy.

The one thing I do know is that once we are in Christ,
He who began a good work in us WILL be faithful to complete it.
-ellie

Cobus · Feb 6, 2013

Now I need to Praise God. If this is not LOVE AT WORK, I am BLIND and DEAF!
I wnat to thank EVERY person that responded here from the bottom of my heart with ALL the Love God gave me to love you.... Thank you all, for the love in your posts. I KNOW we will be PERFECTLY joined together in the BODY OF CHRIST.

I know some-time I am hard to understand, but if you miss the love I do have for you, YOU are the blind and deaf one. I do not love you less if you name me names and lable me good or bad. Love is not a feeling, it is an ACT of your convictions in your faith. I love you becasue God is pouring that love in my heart.

My knowledge is well developed because God is faithful. But I do not see the end-result as a reason or cause for frutration, but rather a WONDERFUL Expectancy of HOPE AND BLESSINGS. IT is like Paul said... The past is behind and I do not look around, but what is in front of me and what lays ahead I am waithing in great expectation of the great calling in GOD!

Abiding, when we met I do not think any one of us could have imagined the love we share RIGHT NOW.... My friend, soon to be BROTHER IN CHRIST, let us keep this peace in the honor of the Spirit and love. Ellie you are just a darling, and so easy to love. Thank you all for your prayers, God is faithful, Cobus is searching, I WILL FIND!

Zone, please do not ever doubt my love for you. I think I would even love my enimies, if I have any.

Lord Jesus, thank you for the WORK you have done for us, and thank you for the WORK you still do for us. AMEN!

mark54 · Feb 6, 2013

Cobus said:

The Love God requires is a fruit of the Spirit Corbus, the Spirit you emphatically state does not live in you

Cobus · Feb 6, 2013

The love God requires..... A fruit of the Spirit.... Even the sinners has love amongst themselves Mark. So what are you saying. I say I DO NOT HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD PERFECTED IN ME, because the Spirit that BRINGS that Love, brings it COMPLETE! No Spirit NO PERFECT LOVE. Do you have that perfect love?

1 john 2:5 and 6.... But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

My love might still be only the one sinners has amongst themselves, or it might even be more, but it has not always been there. I know NOTHING good comes from me, and this love I do have for you and the other peopel here on CC and ALL people, is defenately not the OLD COBUS! Maybe the love of God is not yet perfected in me, but I certainly have more love than I used to have. So love is NOT exclusive to Christians, Jesus says so. But certainly the PERFECTED LOVE OF GOD IS! And those people DO WALK AS JESUS WALKED.... That is where we do not agree! But hey it really does not matter, God is right. I might be wrong or you might be wrong, we can both also be wrong, but certainly, not both is right, AND GOD IS NEVER wrong. So let us just love as good we can! IF He is busy with both of us, we will both end up WALKING AS HE DID!

mark54 · Feb 7, 2013

Cobus said:

I know NOTHING good comes from me, and this love I do have for you and the other peopel here on CC and ALL people, is defenately not the OLD COBUS! Maybe the love of God is not yet perfected in me, but I certainly have more love than I used to have.
But if the Holy Spirit does not live in you Corbus, where has this love come from that has grown in you?
Do you believe the Holy Spirit is hovering outside of your life and throwing blessings(ie love) into you so to speak? Serious question
Or have you created this love by your own effort?

zone · Feb 7, 2013

Cobus said:

i love you too Cobus.
very much.

pickles · Feb 7, 2013

Cobus,
perfection is less about the action or being perfect as the world knows perfect, and compleatly about the heart and love of Jesus perfected in us.

For now we see in part, but soon we shall see face to face!

God bless

pickles

Crossfire · Feb 7, 2013

God, in his infinite goodness, has provided for those who are truly his a dwelling place within Himself where one can find abundant peace, joy and protection from the fiery darts of the enemy. The scriptures speak of such a place, but few have found it and even fewer believe.

Psalm 5: 11-12 (Amp) "But let all those who take refuge and put their trust in You rejoice; let them ever sing and shout for joy, because You make a covering over them and defend them; let those also who love Your name be joyful in You and be in high spirits. For You, Lord, will bless the [uncompromisingly] righteous [him who is upright and in right standing with You]; as with a shield You will surround him with goodwill (pleasure and favor)."

Find it, and all this fussing will fade away...

tribesman · Feb 7, 2013

Abiding said:

I was about to press the "like" button, almost there, then I saw these coming up:

That happened already before our salvation, yes even before the foundation of the world (Eph.1:4-6).

The perfection is already done (Heb.10:14).

Just two cents.

Cobus · Feb 7, 2013

Indeed MARK... Thank you for understanding a little of what I try to convey....

As the HOLY SPIRIT leads a person, that person is being cleansed... That means DIRT is being removed, but even God warns that if the DIRT is being removed, the room it leaves should be filled with something GOOD, And as you correctly stated NOTHING good comes from me, so some GOOD is being put in me to fill that space. So! This is where you people and about 4 billion other's with you hears and talks WRONG.... IT IS NOT THE SPIRIT THAT GOD PUTS IN YOU TO FILL THAT PRIVIOUS DIRT places... It is NOT the Holy Spirit, it is something else.... Jesus said we should be born of that, other than the Spirit. It is the WATER....The Truth, the WORD OF GOD! THIS IS THE WATER WE SHOULD BE BORN FROM! AND THE WATER IS WHAT "GROWS" in us, NOT THE SPIRIT!

Mark please, for once in your life, and for once in our communication, TRY to see it as I get it from the Word.....

When Jesus made the best wine EVER, what was the wine just before it became wine.... WATER.... The vessel was filled with WATER! H2O in that case but bear with me. If Jesus did not DO something with that water, it would have REMAINED water. And it would not have been served... So! Here goes...

When we are being cleansed on our REPENTANCE road, God removes sin out of us, it might even be demons, but still we are making place for OTHER things, and God places WORD in that place.... TRUTH! Look what God said about Word/God's Will/God's commans/God's Truth and Love...God said if we LOVE Him we will keep HIS COMMANDS/WORD... etc. So it looks like the more we LOVE GOD the more we KEEP TRUTH! That menas Love grows in us in DIRECT relation to the Truth that grows in us, in DIRECT relation to the SPACE we (The Holy Spirit and us) leaves as we lay down DIRT! Sin is dirt!

Please think about this, do not be in a cold or dense mood when you read this. If you are not in a SHARING mood, come back to this when you ARE! PLEASE! I plead with you, read this with an open and sharing spirit! One that WANTS to understand Cobus' faith! I listened and concidered ALL your advice and suggestions, your gospels does NOT MAKE SENSE! And God is NOT a God of confusion. God speaks about a Spirit! God speaks about a PUT MY SPIRIT IN YOU! And God speaks about the RESULT of that action.

This here is what I ask you all, not only Mark.... Do you think God has something that HE can put in a human body, to make that human EXACTLY LIKE HE MADE JESUS? LEt us not argue about how and when and why He doe this. Take this question just by what I ask!

Does God have something that HE can put in a human's flesh to change that flesh to be EXACTLY like what HE MADE Jesus to be? A PERFECT BEING IN FLESH?

I ask this becasue I want to stress the FACT that no matter when or how God does it, the RESULT IS ...JESUS - LIKE! That is what the Bible teach. The Bible is so straight talking about this that the Bible says.... To the FULNESS OF CHRIST. UNTO A PERFECT MAN. I am not even English and I get this.... If ANY PERSON is to the fulness of Christ, that person is EXACTLY like Christ. If any PERSON is FILLED with the Holy Spirit, that person is AS HOLY AS GOD IS HOLY, because he is filled with THE HOLY SPIRIT!

Just so far, let us only go up to here. Or do you think the Holy Spirit GROWS in us? Show scripture!

mark54 · Feb 7, 2013

Cobus said:

But Corbus, if I accept what you write, I have to dismiss what Paul writes, I am afraid I cannot do that.

I have already plainly shown you that if the Spirit of Christ does not dwell in us we do not belong to Christ, I cannot produce any plainer scripture than that

God Bless

Abiding · Feb 7, 2013

tribesman said:

Tribeman, I dont think the scope of the thread is about our justification, or our standing In Christ.
Although I sure think that should be understood since thats what we build our daily life of Faith on.
And two cents wont buy much understanding. You can keep your likes.

What is Romans 12:1-2 all about? Or 2 Peter 1:2-4

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