willybob, do you think that some people try to prove that there is such thing as a holy sinner? It's a bit of an oxymoron that. When we walk with spirit, and are therefore 'filled' with spirit (not partially filled), surrender our body to spirit, surrender our self to spirit, are we not 'in those times' walking without sin? I have experienced it once in my life for a very short period to know what it is like, and within that 1-2 weeks, many things were revealed to me. I would call it 'agape', because that is what it felt like, pure unconditional love - without a self. But I can't describe a feeling that many if not most have never experienced. If they had experienced it they certainly wouldn't try to defile such things. And I think this has to be one of the biggest sins men can and do commit.
I think certain people try to say that you can sin and be holy at the same time. And then because they associate 'not sinning' with this idea of 'sinless perfection' they defile it. They truly defile it, and I have to ask myself, who are these defilers? What are their sins that they hide?
What one has to do is incorporate 'time' into the equation. While Jesus was absolutely sinless 'throughout' his life, throughout his timeline, it doesn't mean we cannot have moment and times within our imperfect timeline which are sinless, where we walk with spirit and become holy.
The devil will work through some people, to constantly remind others, we are sinners, we are bad, we are flesh. And you see, the devil works in a way that, yes, this is in a sense 'factual', but it is distorting the perspective of people to deny love to themselves and to others. The type of people the devil would choose, would be somewhat weak in themselves, but managed to 'hide it' through a self-sense of arrogance and pride, someone who in their pain has come to a place of denying love to themselves, mainly in forgiveness - and yet will always try to give the impression there is no great sin they have not forgiven in themselves.
Yes we are all sinners while we are not holy, but I say, focus on being holy, focus on being perfect, focus on walking with spirit, through Jesus' teachings. Holy does not mean partially holy. If even for 5 minutes, in prayer, or in silence, you can find holiness, by God - do that!
And there is plenty of scripture to back that up. That is my perception, also based on experience. I accept differing views too. We are all different.
