Sinning

[4enlightment]

Hello 4enlightment, I guess you meant that once a person can live freely the unconditional love and care towards all others; friends and enemies, he would know he is born again (or he already had a human living soul in which he accepted the Divine Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit).

Please notify me if I understood you wrong

When a person is born again, they'll know what is really going on in this world or you can say that they will know the truth, and they'll know not to get mad at anyone, because for they do not know what they are doing. You can't get mad at a person that hasn't a soul (And I'm not speaking of the physical body like that of the animals, insects has.) , but only you can hope one day that they'll receive or give birth to it. And then they'll be able to rationalize or reason with others and which the animals and insects cannot do.

 

[Kerim]

When a person is born again, they'll know what is really going on in this world or you can say that they will know the truth, and they'll know not to get mad at anyone, because for they do not know what they are doing. You can't get mad at a person that hasn't a soul (And I'm not speaking of the physical body like that of the animals, insects has.) , but only you can hope one day that they'll receive or give birth to it. And then they'll be able to rationalize or reason with others and which the animals and insects cannot do.

At last, I hear someone talking about God's Love as I do

... not God's Law.

But perhaps you have something else to add.

 

[Simiel]

And by filling the desire of the flesh, the sin would be against whom?
Thank you.

You would be sinning against God because you been bought for with a price..

 

[Kerim]

You would be sinning against God because you been bought for with a price..

I used hearing this from any believer (Christian or not).

It seems, for some people (likely millions), the Creator of our universe (God) decided to play a tricky game (or test, if you like) with a kind of His creatures that we use calling 'human race'. In them, He created some desires (of the flesh) and specified the limits within which a human being can live them (desires). So if someone crosses one or more of these limits, he condemns himself to get some sort of punishment after being thrown out of the game.

I am personally not against this game and since many people really believe it, they do because it is also the Will of God (why? This needs another thread

).

But such a game doesn't exist in the reality of those who were able perceiving the Divine Spirit of Love (the Holy Spirit) and accepting IT in their human living soul. Yes, there are men who are created of a human living flesh only and their importance in life is for worldly matters in order to serve the world's continuous needs while they are attracted by the glory of men (and naturally... for having better chances to live the desires of their flesh... the best God's bait

).

On the other hand, a true loving father never plays such a game with his mature children (perhaps he did when they were kids... as God's Law was addressed to the kids of humanity before being updated, 2000 years ago, to God's Love by 'God's Word' who came among us, Jesus Christ).

 

[Apostol2013]

Do you think there is a law... above the first 'equivalent' two commandments revealed by Jesus Christ?

For instance, it is sad that, in English Gospels, Jesus is presented as commanding to love (God and neighbour).
Fortunately, on my Arabic Gospel, Jesus commandment is translated as an important advice instead that a good loving father gives to his beloved mature son to help him know how to live his father's peace and joy.

On one hand, a man is free to follow any commandments (said of God or men).
On the other hand, only GOD's Love (as revealed by Jesus Christ) is eternal and the person who can live it, joins automatically God's Kingdom... now and for eternity.

In reality, Law and True Love cannot coexist to the same person at the same time.
Law exists always between a master and his salve, while True Love exists between a good loving father and his real son.

Whoever has ears will hear

I understand the heart you must have but remember all scripture is good for teaching in all instruction, edification for rebuke , , in this perverse world this woeld is so full of sin even the family structure is destroyed and all perception is against God's word and teaching impropper perception is ignorant for we are to seek all righteousness in Jesus ,first know who Jesus os then imitate Him in all righteousness not the righteousness of our own perception but of the perception of the creator teaching order not disorder

 

[Kerim]

... but remember all scripture is good for teaching in all instruction, edification for rebuke... in this perverse world. This word is so full of sin even the family structure is destroyed and all perception is against God's word...

Please, help me find when Jesus says that all scripture is good and complements his 'imperfect' teachings.
Thank you.

... for we are to seek all righteousness in Jesus. First, know who Jesus is. Then imitate Him in all righteousness, not the righteousness of our own perception

Please help me know what you see in Jesus Christ other than his unconditional love and care towards all others... even towards his killers.

... but of the perception of the creator... teaching order not disorder

Order means there must be a law to achieve it.
Please tell me, did you hear of ANY law (said of God or not) that allows a man to help his enemy for example.
Thank you.


For instance, making laws is the job of those who are created to serve the world (while running after their flesh's desires and the glory of men).
Living God's unconditional Love is for those who are able perceiving and accepting, in their human living soul, God's Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit.

To my knowledge, Jesus didn't approve or create ANY law (to make order in the world).
But I am all ears to know if he did.
Thank you.

 

[Cleante]

The Greek word for sin that is used in the New Testament means "missing the mark." Anything that causes you to "miss the mark" is sin. It's that simple.

 

[Kerim]

The Greek word for sin that is used in the New Testament means "missing the mark." Anything that causes you to "miss the mark" is sin. It's that simple.

I agree with you.
But, from what you have understood from Jesus teachings (please not the whole Bible, unless you can't believe that Jesus is all-knowledge being the Living Son of God), how could a person miss the mark?
Thank you.

 

[chubbena]

Hi Farouk,

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

I don't see a sign of 'sin' here... I see just God's Love.

How do you think a man can believe in Jesus?
Could a man believe in Jesus while he ignores Jesus teachings in his daily life, practically speaking?

Thank you.

If one reads the context.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

 

[Kerim]

If one reads the context.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

I am amazed how a person doesn't mind putting aside all what Jesus says about how to live, practically speaking, God's Will and focuses on titles instead.


To be more specific, Jesus Christ explained clearly how a man can live by the truth.
Do you know what he said?

 

[Simona25]

I agree with you.
But, from what you have understood from Jesus teachings (please not the whole Bible, unless you can't believe that Jesus is all-knowledge being the Living Son of God), how could a person miss the mark?
Thank you.

A wiser question would be "what is that mark that I mustn't miss?".

 

[Kerim]

A wiser question would be "what is that mark that I mustn't miss?".

I guess you also know how Jesus describe it, I am all ears

 

[resurrection33]

One of the early questions I asked myself is:

“What does the word ‘sinning’ really mean, practically speaking?”

Obviously, the right answer should also give the answer of the question which is related to our present time:

“When or how does a person sin, also practically speaking?”

Thank you.

After hearing you, I will share my answers with you

When we grow older and have had the opportunity to experience the consequences of our actions, we learn what sin is. Sin is those things that we later regret doing. Jesus tells us what these things are, so we can avoid making those mistakes.

 

[Kerim]

When we grow older and have had the opportunity to experience the consequences of our actions, we learn what sin is. Sin is those things that we later regret doing. Jesus tells us what these things are, so we can avoid making those mistakes.

I agree with you...
For instance, do you still recall Jesus sayings about the sins you are referring to?

 

[jjtj22]

What is the definition of sin?

 

[Kerim]

What is the definition of sin?

This is indeed the crucial question here.

I am afraid that, on these days and as you have seen, the answer is closely related to how a person perceive the image of his Creator. The same applies on what could be the consequence of sinning.

I may say there are two main images of God (the Creator of the universe) known by men (if not Atheist).

(1) The image of a supernatural powerful king (as known mainly by Jews, Muslims and Christians of the Bible)
(2) The image of a supernatural loving Creator (known by Christians of Jesus only).

The sin related to the first image is well known I guess; starting from the disobedience of God (or Allah), the King or the Greatest Master. Its consequence is an eternal punishment in hell or alike.

The sin related to the second image is well defined by Jesus... It is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. In other words, it is denying the Unifying Power of God's Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit. Its consequence is returning back to the state of void (the state before birth, before Creation). Only those who are able accepting the Holy Spirit in their soul by living the unconditional love and care towards all others will join, since now and for eternity, God's Kingdom "That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust". Naturally, a person who CANNOT perceive how Jesus and the Father could be ONE, he also CANNOT perceive how the Holy Spirit has the power to unify two independent persons and let them be seen as having ONE will and ONE power by any outsiders.


The good news is that... no matter what men believe, say and do, at the end there will be no losers but possible winners. Only the joy of living the True Love is eternal and everything else will be vanished (as men throw things no more valid or useful into fire, surely not to torture them

).