Skycentrism: We live inside the Earth! Introduction and History

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Hmmm... I didn't know that Jesus supported accusation and slandering someone with schizophrenia! To the contrary, he said something about calling someone a fool...

You've read this before?

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
No fear then, there is a long history of schizophrenic geniuses: John Forbes Nash, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You ever read about prophecies of Daniel? ten kings, and many other examples of politics in prophecies, Matthew the whole 24-th chapter is about political situation on this planet and more overt - Christ gave us a commandment

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

How about Revelation? Babylon the Great, ten kings taking power on the whole world for one hour.

You've read that one before?

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Ok.

Or you have wrong Bible, or you are on the wrong forum, or... both!

It's here any moderator!?

Maybe I'm at the wrong forum? :cool:
The wrong forum, it's more of a conspiracy thing: http://christianchat.com/conspiracy-corruption-discussion-forum/

Try the Luther Bibel.

2 Mose 15:3 Der HERR ist der rechte Kriegsmann; HERR ist sein Name. (Luther Bibel)
 
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That's not a scientific proof. That's your assumption, based on data which proves BOTH ways, because that experiment is working in both cases equally well.
Of course it is. It is a repeatable experiment, that has been done hundreds of thousands of times, with the same result, a triangle bigger than 180 degrees. You may go do the experiment at your leisure.

If you wish to discredit the theory, you must prove that the parallel postulate does not lead to the claimed conclusion. The only other step in the prooof is that congruent triangles are equal. Surely you do not wish to challenge that? The exponential increase principle alluded to in the drawing is the necessary inverse I mentioned if you wish to apply the map z to 1/z. It does not apply on the surface of the earth, since the points of the surface are the fixed points of that mapping.
 
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That experiment works in both systems. Inside and out! Like on or in a basketball. It's irrelevant that we are outside or inside. So it doesn't proof of anything and as I've said previously, we would need some scientific experiment, some names, some works, some serious documents.

Also to prove that Earth is convex you will have to prove that Earth is rotating and also is going around the Sun. Again we don't have ANY evidences of ANY Earth movement.
Let's see what George Ellis, himself said regarding his theory.


George Ellis, a famous cosmologist, in Scientific American, "Thinking Globally, Acting Universally", October 1995
People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations,” Ellis argues. “For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations.” Ellis has published a paper on this. "You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.”

Source - www.geocentrism.com assumptions


Satanic NASA never was on the Moon and never will get there. Worshipers of Apollo, Jack Parsons - the father of rockets was a satanist. Jack Parsons, Aleister Crowley, NASA & the Occult - YouTube

You can't get a straight answer from NASA - always lies.

They goal is fight with God. In association with... Vatican, who is observing a heaven through... Lucifer - the biggest telescope on this planet.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...lla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr

NASA has created an illusion, that we are the small planet on the edge of HUGE universe and no one cares about us.

And that is a biggest lie. God and heave is only 5000 km from us and we are very closely observed by God, Christ and his angels. Very closely. And Vatican is watching for any signs Christ coming back.

Make sense?

Here is a link to German web site, which provide some serious evidences about the Earth.

Hollow earth theory, free energy, cosmos, satellite, moon, planets, astronomy, cellular cosmogony, astrophysics

Click on English version, if not in English.

Will be fun, when we will talk really seriously.
 
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Photograph of Earth taken by Apollo 17 astronauts on 12/07/1972:




Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum Online: Earth from Apollo 17 | National Air and Space Museum

Pythagoras proposed that the Earth was round about 500 B.C. reasoning the Moon must be round by observing the shape of the terminator (the line between the part of the Moon in light and the part of the Moon in the dark) as it moved through its orbital cycle. Pythagoras reasoned that if the Moon was round, then the Earth must be round as well. After that, sometime between 500 B.C. and 430 B.C., a fellow called Anaxagoras determined the true cause of solar and lunar eclipses and the shape of the Earth's shadow on the Moon during a lunar eclipse as evidence the Earth was round. Around 350 BC, Aristotle declared that the Earth was a sphere (based on observations he made about which constellations you could see in the sky as you travelled further and further away from the equator) and during the next hundred years or so, Aristarchus and Eratosthenes actually measured the size of the Earth. Today we have the advantage of being able to fly above the earth and film it. Today we have NASA. Today we have modern science.

I can see exactly where I live on the surface of the earth using even pictures of the whole earth taken from space. I used to enjoy aviation and have flown in jet airplanes out of Los Angeles and seen with my own two eyes the geography matches the pictures of earth taken from space for where I live.

One wonders how much dope the troll that started this thread to troll in smokes a month? That is the real question.
 
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No it does not. http://knowledgemasters.wikispaces.com/Elliptic+geometry

Ellis' argument does not affect convexity.
I didn't say it does!

That's geometry not proving anything. The geometry is correct but it does not prove we are inside or outside that ball in the link.

Going back to Ellis, he said something, which will blow minds most people. Let me explain.

He has fully confirmed that we don't have any evidences of heliocentrism.

And that is na evidences that NASA is lying.

But that is an evidence of much more significances than on the surface.

How we are calculating distances to stars? We're using parallax system.

Stellar parallax created by the relative motion between the Earth and a star, can be seen, in the Copernican model, as arising from the orbit of the Earth around the Sun: the star only appears to move relative to more distant objects in the sky. In a geostatic model, the movement of the star would have to be taken as real with the star oscillating across the sky with respect to the background stars.
Source - Parallax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So if Earth is motionless - all system is rubbish.

And that means that all our calculations of any distances in cosmos beyond our satellites are totally wrong.

And that is a very serious problem for credibility of NASA. We have no idea how big the universe is, or how small it is.

Let's use our brain a little. Just a little.

Starry heaven we see (We're using NASA 'logic') is at least 100 000 years old and many parts of it are million light years away, correct?

That means we see the heaven, how she was at least 100 000 years ago.

How we can be sure she still exists. We just see the picture of something, which happened 100 000 years ago and may not exists today.

Going back to Ellis - the bottom line is - we are being deceived by NASA. Not the first time!

Going back to Earth as concave. Vatican knows (Of course!) about it for a very long time.

Here is a famous sphere in Vatican.


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The big sphere is the Earth. Inside her is heaven, stars and all celestial bodies like sun and moon and our planets.

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Another pic...

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How Sun is making possible of seasons and 6 months darkness/day on poles.

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Before someone will post an argument about films from ISS showing EARTH as a convex - here is how it's done.

NASA uses (And many others) so called fish eyes lenses. In right angle they are showing Earth as a convex and other times they are showing the opposite - concave.

Shot with fish eye.

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From different lens.

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Source...

[video=youtube;sQw_C5KLhFM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQw_C5KLhFM[/video]

In many years my research I was always puzzled why on any pictures or films from NASA we can't see the stars.

If they are show on some materials, NASA admits, stars were added.

But explanation will be in another posts.
 
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Perhaps you should have emailed NASA and asked them rather than falsely asserting we're all in the center of the earth. They would have explained to you that taking pictures of the earth or moon at night with stars in the background is possible but the conditions and camera settings have to be right. In the past this has been done from space, the moon, probes orbiting other planets, and on the earth itself.

On the moon, the lunar landscape is so bright that the camera exposure settings to take a good lunar landscape photo are not sensitive enough to image fainter stars in the lunar sky. This is because the sun projects a lot of light into the solar system. If the camera was set to record the stars, the moonscape would be washed out white and featureless. You see the light from the Sun in outer space in the Earth-Moon system is at least as bright as the sunlight that reaches the Earth's surface on a clear day at noon, so cameras used for imaging subjects illuminated by sunlight have to be for daylight exposure and ask yourself how many stars are you going to capture with a camera in the middle of the day.

Stars were seen by every Apollo mission crew except for the unfortunate Apollo 13 in which an oxygen tank explosion in the Apollo 13 Service Module two days after launch prevented the crew from clearly seeing stars due to a haze of oxygen and water vapor surrounding the spacecraft. Stars were used for navigation purposes and were occasionally also seen through cabin windows when the conditions allowed.

Stars are not dramatically brighter in space above the Earth's atmosphere and, as stated, the sun projects a lot of light in our solar system. Professional astronomer and two-time Space Shuttle astronaut Ronald A. Parise stated that he could barely see stars at all from space. He had to turn out all of the lights in the shuttle to even glimpse the stars which are ranked by brightness on a magnitude scale.

Yet you can still see brighter stars under the right conditions. Here's a UV photo of Earth taken on April 21, 1972 by Apollo 16:

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See the stars around the earth. They weren't added afterwards.

Here's a picture taken on July 19, 2013 from the wide-angle camera on NASA's Cassini probe spacecraft capturing Saturn's rings and our planet Earth and its moon in the same frame. Photo: NASA/JPL-Caltech/Space Science Institute. See: Earth Photos From Saturn: NASA Space Probe Cassini: Interactive Graphic




See a few of the brighter stars and planets from this vantage point. They weren't added afterwards.


In many years my research I was always puzzled why on any pictures or films from NASA we can't see the stars.If they are show on some materials, NASA admits, stars were added.
 
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Introduction: Skycentrism: We live inside the Earth, Introduction (English subtitles, napisy ENG) - YouTube
part I - History Skycentrism: We live inside the Earth, part I - History (English subtitles, napisy ENG) - YouTube



This subject derives from a Polish site. With more than 60000 views it's one of the most popular on one of the biblical forums.

It is as unbelieveable as it sounds. But it's true.

The subject is amazing and many will mock it or simply not believe it.
There are no proofs that we live on the globe/outer surface.
It is surely controversial but there is a lot of evidence you can not
ignore. This short film is an introduction to the subject. All the
things mentioned will be developed in the next parts
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See the stars around the earth. They weren't added afterwards.

Here's a picture taken on July 19, 2013 from the wide-angle camera on NASA's Cassini probe spacecraft capturing Saturn's rings and our planet Earth and its moon in the same frame. Photo: NASA/JPL-Caltech/Space Science Institute. See: Earth Photos From Saturn: NASA Space Probe Cassini: Interactive Graphic




See a few of the brighter stars and planets from this vantage point. They weren't added afterwards.
That dot is a mosquito on the screen. Such statement is as valid and statement of always lying NASA.

Upps... that's not NASA but some propaganda newspaper from satanic government of Australia. Sydney Mornig Herald - always lying pro NWO satanic media with horoscopes and other rubbish in it. Main and the most important news, supporting every whim of Australian government.

What is interesting, prime minuister Kevin Rudd was removed from office in one night - was to stupid for being a prime minister.

Now they put him back! Suddenly cured? So much about the credibility of sources you have supplied!

Should I laugh or cry!? Are you joking with these childish pics?

I was a pro photographer for several years.

You can't tell mi, that from the moon is impossible to make a pictures of stars. All you will have to do is to remove moon from the viewer and make a picture.

So simple. But they didn't make even a one.

When ISS circling Earth, is or day or night. No pictures of stars!

You know why?

Because stars are projected on a sphere of heaven and they can be seen only from Earth atmosphere.

How it's possible, that several mission APOLLO - demon's name to the Moon and they were not able to put a decent camera on tripod and make 10 minutes film showing Earth rotating!


That would be a nice evidence! But... we have NUTHIN'. :D

And in the year they 'went' on the Moon, the film "Lawrence of Arabia" was filmed on 70 mm camera!

And they took utter rubbish camera B/W to make a film from such historic journey!

But... they took a... CAR!

What a joke!

I've spent 4 months studying the Moon journey. Utter nonsense. They still can't do it. They lost two interesting crafts just above the Earth. I could put a several solid evidences against, but... that would going to much of the subject! :D

Challenger - basically that's the other name of Satan! And Columbia. Other name of... Astartoth.

Can you see the picture?

Just few pints about the Earth is a concave.

1. There is many experiments made in Tamarrack shafts.
2. The whole geodesy know and use specially developed data to mask concave of Earth.
3. Geometry excluding any possibility of Earth being convex.
4. See navigation also masking Earth concave and system of navigation on the see is showing it very clear.
5. There are couple experiments which we could do it to show, that Earth is a concave.

These a main points and will be proven beyond any doubts. We have gone in the subject so deep, that anyone could as yet!

Here is a link to one guy, very unpleasant, who in this case is supplying few very solid evidences.

posthypnoticepiphany

I think that Illuminati are trying to use some people who will tell a lot of truth and by their behavior they will make themselves look like idiots. Using their name will be immediately discredited. And that's the way THEY - THE BEAST is trying to discourage us from any research in that subject!

I'm a bit to smart for it and I will use only pearls. Rubbish I'll reject!

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Your ignorance of astronomy, math, and physics does not equate to NASA is lying. What it does reveal is that you're exhibiting a great deal of ignorance, denial of the truth, and possibly delusional thinking - or alternatively simply trolling - to the extent that you will not accept empirical truth that refutes your false premise (e.g. we are all in the center of the earth) even when it is explained and demonstrated to you with empirical evidence. This behavior eventually gets tagged as disruptive.

The behavior violates rule #2 which states:

"We like to welcome all to Christian Chat, but if anyone is not here for fellowship (or for wanting to know about Christianity), but simply for disrupting fellowship, offending people, whatever, then that person is not welcome."

Creating threads with blatantly false premises and then ranting nonsensically to defend them when educated people correct you with scholarly empirical evidence is disruptive to our Christian fellowship.

I'm just letting you know in advance because your stay here might be shortened if you continue to act in this manner.

The influence of light on astrophotography has already been explained to you in the simplest of terms. The reason why those stars and planets appear small in that photograph has to do with distance. Saturn is 1.2 billion km, roughly 7 AU, from the Earth when the two are at their closest approach to one another. They are 1.67 billion km, around 11 AU, from each other when they are at their most distant.

Perspective, in context vision and visual perception, is the way in which objects appear to the eye based on their spatial attributes, dimensions, and the position of the eye relative to the objects.

As objects become more distant they appear smaller because their visual angle decreases. The visual angle of an object is the angle subtended at the eye by a triangle with the object at its base. The greater the distance of the object from the eye, the greater is the height of this triangle, and the less the visual angle. See: Burton, H. E. (1945). The optics of Euclid. Journal of the Optical Society of America, 35, 357-372.

An example would be viewing the sun and the moon from a position on earth. They appear to be roughly the same size because the sun, although much larger, is also much farther away. The relationship between distance and apparent height of objects is an inverse-linear function:



where h is the apparent height, d is the distance of the object, and a is the actual size of the object. So if you want to find the true height of an object in the distance, multiply the apparent height with the distance the object is from you.

You may use an angular calculator to find the real size of distant objects if you have some basic information regarding them.

Now this can be demonstrated right here on planet earth by simply taking a large helium filled balloon, first holding it up to your face, and then letting it float away. As the distance between the observer and the balloon increases, the size of the balloon appears to decrease to the observer. Where before it was very large when held directly up to the face, it is eventually a small point in the distant sky as it floats far away from the observer. If you put up a road sign and walk away from it, you will observe the same thing.

This is scientific law, not hypothesis or theory.


That dot is a mosquito on the screen. Such statement is as valid and statement of always lying NASA...
 
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Your ignorance of astronomy, math, and physics does not equate to NASA is lying. What it does reveal is that you're exhibiting a great deal of ignorance, denial of the truth, and possibly delusional thinking - or alternatively simply trolling - to the extent that you will not accept empirical truth that refutes your false premise (e.g. we are all in the center of the earth) even when it is explained and demonstrated to you with empirical evidence. This behavior eventually gets tagged as disruptive.

The behavior violates rule #2 which states:

"We like to welcome all to Christian Chat, but if anyone is not here for fellowship (or for wanting to know about Christianity), but simply for disrupting fellowship, offending people, whatever, then that person is not welcome."

Creating threads with blatantly false premises and then ranting nonsensically to defend them when educated people correct you with scholarly empirical evidence is disruptive to our Christian fellowship.
Yes, the truth might be offending.
Check the first pages for an example of offence and rude language.
Looks like you liked a post calling me schizophrenic :) That's your christianity .
 
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i stopped reading at the point where you implied the angles of a triangle on the inside or outside of a basketball add up to the same thing. that's patent ignorance of geometry. if you don't understand what convexity and concavity are, there is no way i can take an argument for the the earths surface being concave seriously. thank you keniseyes for making the clear refutation before i could.

i don't know how many hundreds of videos there are online made by people attaching a camera to a balloon and letting it float up into the atmosphere & return. they are easily enough found and provide irrefutable visual evidence that we live on the surface of an oblate spheroid in space. I invite any doubter with $50 to perform the experiment themselves.
 
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What it does reveal is that you're exhibiting a great deal of ignorance, denial of the truth, and possibly delusional thinking - or alternatively simply trolling - to the extent that you will not accept empirical truth that refutes your false premise (e.g. we are all in the center of the earth) even when it is explained and demonstrated to you with empirical evidence.
Thank you. I could not have said that without ranting back.
 
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The truth appears to have offended you, given this reply of yours. I have not directed profanity at you so your assertion is false as is your premise that we all live in the center of the earth.

My reason for liking a post can entail all sorts of criteria and need not align to your myopic beliefs. I never called you schizophrenic but since you bring it up, schizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized by a breakdown of thought processes and by a deficit of typical emotional responses.

Creating a thread making a delusional assertion that we all live in the center of the earth when we do not is one symptom of the mental disorder labeled schizophrenia, specifically delusional thinking. There is a young man down the street that suffers from this disorder and he believes that Hitler is living in the center of the earth planning his big comeback. When he doesn't take his medicine, he gets quite rabid in this false assertion of his. More than once, he has had to be forcibly restrained by the authorities as he rants and raves about it nonsensically.

But certainly other mental disorders exhibit this symptom and also this is a well established point from which Internet trolls often launch from. So I am not accusing you of suffering from schizophrenia nor did I. There are a number of disorders and unsocial behaviors which account for the behavior you are exhibiting.

Have a nice day.

P.S. How many accounts do you have at CC?


Yes, the truth might be offending.
Check the first pages for an example of offence and rude language.
Looks like you liked a post calling me schizophrenic :) That's your christianity .
 
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I just received a message from truth1 in response to my question about how many accounts does he have at CC. He says:

truth1 said:
for your information..one and only :)
But let's look at the join dates and locations of the two accounts in this thread:

thewordwatcher
Join Date: August 22nd, 2013
Country (Location): Poland

truth1
Join Date: August 22nd, 2013
Country (Location): Poland

Hmmm.... fishy. Very fishy.
 
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I just received a message from truth1 in response to my question about how many accounts does he have at CC. He says:



But let's look at the join dates and locations of the two accounts in this thread:

thewordwatcher
Join Date: August 22nd, 2013
Country (Location): Poland

truth1
Join Date: August 22nd, 2013
Country (Location): Poland

Hmmm.... fishy. Very fishy.
no comment :)
 
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The earth is round for the same reason a bubble is round...
Thats its most efficient shape under its current conditions of the forces acting upon it.

A bubble is round because the forces acted upon it are equal from all directions
From the outside inward
The earth is round because the forces acted upon it are equal from all directions
From the inside outward

Masses attract toward one another and try to be at equilibrium unless otherwise acted upon by an another force
poking a bubble with your finger will now distort it out of equilibrium
Centrifugal force for instance causes the earth to bulge slightly at the equator

Thats the only difference.
They are both still round due to equal forces acting upon them from all directions.

Provide evidence of a vacuum column from the earth into space and then a possibility may be considered otherwise.

But of course that would be pretty difficult to do considering the mass of the air in our atmosphere being acted upon in all directions by gravity forms a bubble on the earths surface and would close in on itself to be in equilibrium.

Have a nice day
 
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The bios are different. Probably related from two successive generations. Father/son, uncle/nephew, etc. Of course, maybe one lives in the convex world and one in the concave. Actually that's not too far off. One lives where the sun goes clockwise, and one where the sun goes counterclockwise.
 
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You are not very smart, huh? But a very quick to accuse.

if you would be a little smarter, you would check mu IP. But that's beyond you, right?

If you would look into my profile, you will find, that I live in Australia, but I came to Australia from Poland. That's why I have chosen a polish nationality.

If you stretch your brain a little, you would find my YT channel - thewordwatcher - YouTube

I do recommend that short film - very reviling! In English.

Iluminati - ich rzeczywista 'religia'. - YouTube

So far we both received a lot of accusations, threats of being remove from forum, because you are not very smart and lacking of any knowledge.

You brothers have problem - not us, because you have chosen to trust science and propaganda from totally owned by satan world.

BTW. I have also forum where agents from Hasbara could not interfere in our very interesting discussions about Earth as concave.

Look at the numbers!!! Those big numbers are numbers of views. Subject of Earth has 64116!

Thanks to many brothers and sister we have found may hard solid evidences for Earth being a concave.

Did any of you supply just one prof, that Earth is a convex?

None at all. None about heliocentric either. None about Earth rotating.

I can't believe how people can be so ignorant and believe ANYTHING from the world governed by satan! Especially occultist NASA - with blasphemous names as Apollo because she has all signs of open fight against our Creator.

How a Christian can believe ANYTHING NASA is telling?

Challenger and Columbia disasters were serious warnings! From whom?

What I'm puzzled with... is believe in NASA - The Magical Dot.

Apparently sane people do believe that a dot - no one has ever seen, exploded and created the whole Universe.

And that nonsense without any proof comes directly from NASA. No one seen, herd the explosion, saw expansion and evolution.

Again no one prof of it.

Kids in kindergarten could explain better the Big Bang.

But adults are believing is such nonsense and they are not asking for any proof.

Arghhh...