Someone please help me with this debate I'm in with these atheist fools
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Your right south, you stand up to them even though your a new Christian this is how you learn. I would say to them (as an example) how do they know George Washington existed? Did you see him or did you read about him? Now take that same argument regarding Jesus Christ. Remember, the Bible is not the only evidence that Jesus Christ really existed but written sources who were the enemies of Jesus Christ wrote about him. In fact, one source called Jesus a bastard so no one would call Him a bastard if He did not truly exist.
The Bible is filled with prophecies that happened/fulfilled years after the prophecy was made. It's hard to give you a crash course but my main purpose is what I said in my first paragraph. Turn the argument back on them and ask them if they ever saw atheist like hume, nietzche etc. How did they learn they existed? And btw as a side note the word "atheism" comes from the Greek word "atheos" and it means "without gods."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
The Bible is filled with prophecies that happened/fulfilled years after the prophecy was made. It's hard to give you a crash course but my main purpose is what I said in my first paragraph. Turn the argument back on them and ask them if they ever saw atheist like hume, nietzche etc. How did they learn they existed? And btw as a side note the word "atheism" comes from the Greek word "atheos" and it means "without gods."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
"1. If predictions don't have dates attached to them, then they're likely going to happen at some point in the totality of time.example: I predict that the world will one day end. I won't say when, but it will happen some day.The prediction is silly because there's no date attached to it.
2. Just because it predicted some things doesn't make it valid, you doofus. It's a 2,000-year-old book that reflects the culture of the men that wrote it at the time (women beating, stoning, killing nonbelievers)."
What should I say back?
I'm not necessarily trying to get the atheists to believe in God. I'm mainly trying to prove them wrong on the things they say. I don't want an agnostic or atheist to come along the comment section and say something like:
Atheist: 1
Christian: 0
It would make it seem like God isn't real to someone who is casually reading through the comments.
Atheist: 1
Christian: 0
It would make it seem like God isn't real to someone who is casually reading through the comments.
The mathematical odds of Jesus fulfilling even eight prophecies is pretty high, but having Jesus Christ fulfill hundreds (I believe it is in the three hundred or so range) prophecies concerning him are astronomical, look up Peter Stoner... I will do that now too
To begin with, did you know that the Old Testament prophet Micah, writing circa 700 B.C., out of the hundreds and hundreds of cities in the scores and scores of nations in existence all over the world even in those days, designated Bethlehem of Judea as the birthplace of the Messiah (Micah 5:2)?
And that at about the same time, Isaiah (7:14) said that the Christ would be born of a virgin?
Or that a prophecy made in 1012 B.C. specified that the Messiah's hands and feet would eventually be pierced--a clear reference to death by crucifixion--800 years before the Romans ever even instituted crucifixion as a form of capital punishment!
Malachi 3:1, penned in about 425 B.C., specified that the Messiah would be contemporary with the temple in Jerusalem--a temple that was destroyed in 70 A.D. and has never been rebuilt.
Well, if all this impresses you even a little bit, you ought to go compare Zechariah 11:11-13 (written over 500 years before Christ) to Matthew 27:3-10 (written some 25-30 years after Christ).
Only coincidence? A number of years ago, Peter W. Stoner and Robert C. Newman wrote a book entitled Science Speaks. The book was based on the science of probability and vouched for by the American Scientific Affiliation. It set out the odds of any one man in all of history fulfilling even only eight of the 60 major prophecies (and 270 ramifications) fulfilled by the life of Christ.
The probability that Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even eight such prophecies would be only 1 in 1017. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000.
Stoner claims that that many silver dollars would be enough to cover the face of the entire state of Texas two feet deep. Now I've been to Texas. I've driven for days to get across Texas. Texas is a very big state. Who in his right mind would suppose that a blindfolded man, heading out of Dallas by foot in any direction, would be able, on his very first attempt, to pick up one specifically marked silver dollar out of 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000?
Read more at: http://christiananswers.net/q-aiia/jesus-odds.html
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The Odds of Eight Messianic Prophecies Coming True | Berean Publishers
“If these estimates are considered fair, one man in how many men, the world over, will fulfill all eight prophecies? Let’s run the math. We have 1 in 2.8 X 100,000 X 1,000 X 100 X 1,000 X 1,000 X 100,000 X 1,000 X 10,000. This gives us 1 in 2.8 X 10 to the twenty-eighth power. Let us simplify it by calling it 1 X 10 to the twenty-eighth power. Written out we have 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.” (p.105f)
What are the odds that any man living from the day of these prophecies down to the present time? To get this answer, we divide our 10 to the 28th power by the total number of people who have lived since the time of these prophecies. At the time this book was published we come up wit 88 billion people or 8.8 X 10 to the tenth power. To simplify it let’s round it off to 10 to the 11th power. The odds of any one man who lived from the the the prophecies were made until the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 10 to the seventeenth power.
To begin with, did you know that the Old Testament prophet Micah, writing circa 700 B.C., out of the hundreds and hundreds of cities in the scores and scores of nations in existence all over the world even in those days, designated Bethlehem of Judea as the birthplace of the Messiah (Micah 5:2)?
And that at about the same time, Isaiah (7:14) said that the Christ would be born of a virgin?
Or that a prophecy made in 1012 B.C. specified that the Messiah's hands and feet would eventually be pierced--a clear reference to death by crucifixion--800 years before the Romans ever even instituted crucifixion as a form of capital punishment!
Malachi 3:1, penned in about 425 B.C., specified that the Messiah would be contemporary with the temple in Jerusalem--a temple that was destroyed in 70 A.D. and has never been rebuilt.
Well, if all this impresses you even a little bit, you ought to go compare Zechariah 11:11-13 (written over 500 years before Christ) to Matthew 27:3-10 (written some 25-30 years after Christ).
Only coincidence? A number of years ago, Peter W. Stoner and Robert C. Newman wrote a book entitled Science Speaks. The book was based on the science of probability and vouched for by the American Scientific Affiliation. It set out the odds of any one man in all of history fulfilling even only eight of the 60 major prophecies (and 270 ramifications) fulfilled by the life of Christ.
The probability that Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even eight such prophecies would be only 1 in 1017. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000.
Stoner claims that that many silver dollars would be enough to cover the face of the entire state of Texas two feet deep. Now I've been to Texas. I've driven for days to get across Texas. Texas is a very big state. Who in his right mind would suppose that a blindfolded man, heading out of Dallas by foot in any direction, would be able, on his very first attempt, to pick up one specifically marked silver dollar out of 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000?
Read more at: http://christiananswers.net/q-aiia/jesus-odds.html
Check out this site, too
The Odds of Eight Messianic Prophecies Coming True | Berean Publishers
“If these estimates are considered fair, one man in how many men, the world over, will fulfill all eight prophecies? Let’s run the math. We have 1 in 2.8 X 100,000 X 1,000 X 100 X 1,000 X 1,000 X 100,000 X 1,000 X 10,000. This gives us 1 in 2.8 X 10 to the twenty-eighth power. Let us simplify it by calling it 1 X 10 to the twenty-eighth power. Written out we have 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.” (p.105f)
What are the odds that any man living from the day of these prophecies down to the present time? To get this answer, we divide our 10 to the 28th power by the total number of people who have lived since the time of these prophecies. At the time this book was published we come up wit 88 billion people or 8.8 X 10 to the tenth power. To simplify it let’s round it off to 10 to the 11th power. The odds of any one man who lived from the the the prophecies were made until the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 10 to the seventeenth power.
Evolution is one of their favourite toys. That there are no transitional fossils does not bother them; their scientists can do no wrong despite the fact that even a scientific theory has basically been discarded after being accepted for some time (The Steady State Theory). They may believe theories are iron clad. They are not.
The mathematical odds of Jesus fulfilling even eight prophecies is pretty high, but having Jesus Christ fulfill hundreds (I believe it is in the three hundred or so range) prophecies concerning him are astronomical, look up Peter Stoner... I will do that now too
To begin with, did you know that the Old Testament prophet Micah, writing circa 700 B.C., out of the hundreds and hundreds of cities in the scores and scores of nations in existence all over the world even in those days, designated Bethlehem of Judea as the birthplace of the Messiah (Micah 5:2)?
And that at about the same time, Isaiah (7:14) said that the Christ would be born of a virgin?
Or that a prophecy made in 1012 B.C. specified that the Messiah's hands and feet would eventually be pierced--a clear reference to death by crucifixion--800 years before the Romans ever even instituted crucifixion as a form of capital punishment!
Malachi 3:1, penned in about 425 B.C., specified that the Messiah would be contemporary with the temple in Jerusalem--a temple that was destroyed in 70 A.D. and has never been rebuilt.
Well, if all this impresses you even a little bit, you ought to go compare Zechariah 11:11-13 (written over 500 years before Christ) to Matthew 27:3-10 (written some 25-30 years after Christ).
Only coincidence? A number of years ago, Peter W. Stoner and Robert C. Newman wrote a book entitled Science Speaks. The book was based on the science of probability and vouched for by the American Scientific Affiliation. It set out the odds of any one man in all of history fulfilling even only eight of the 60 major prophecies (and 270 ramifications) fulfilled by the life of Christ.
The probability that Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even eight such prophecies would be only 1 in 1017. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000.
Stoner claims that that many silver dollars would be enough to cover the face of the entire state of Texas two feet deep. Now I've been to Texas. I've driven for days to get across Texas. Texas is a very big state. Who in his right mind would suppose that a blindfolded man, heading out of Dallas by foot in any direction, would be able, on his very first attempt, to pick up one specifically marked silver dollar out of 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000?
Read more at: http://christiananswers.net/q-aiia/jesus-odds.html
Check out this site, too
The Odds of Eight Messianic Prophecies Coming True | Berean Publishers
“If these estimates are considered fair, one man in how many men, the world over, will fulfill all eight prophecies? Let’s run the math. We have 1 in 2.8 X 100,000 X 1,000 X 100 X 1,000 X 1,000 X 100,000 X 1,000 X 10,000. This gives us 1 in 2.8 X 10 to the twenty-eighth power. Let us simplify it by calling it 1 X 10 to the twenty-eighth power. Written out we have 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.” (p.105f)
What are the odds that any man living from the day of these prophecies down to the present time? To get this answer, we divide our 10 to the 28th power by the total number of people who have lived since the time of these prophecies. At the time this book was published we come up wit 88 billion people or 8.8 X 10 to the tenth power. To simplify it let’s round it off to 10 to the 11th power. The odds of any one man who lived from the the the prophecies were made until the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 10 to the seventeenth power.
To begin with, did you know that the Old Testament prophet Micah, writing circa 700 B.C., out of the hundreds and hundreds of cities in the scores and scores of nations in existence all over the world even in those days, designated Bethlehem of Judea as the birthplace of the Messiah (Micah 5:2)?
And that at about the same time, Isaiah (7:14) said that the Christ would be born of a virgin?
Or that a prophecy made in 1012 B.C. specified that the Messiah's hands and feet would eventually be pierced--a clear reference to death by crucifixion--800 years before the Romans ever even instituted crucifixion as a form of capital punishment!
Malachi 3:1, penned in about 425 B.C., specified that the Messiah would be contemporary with the temple in Jerusalem--a temple that was destroyed in 70 A.D. and has never been rebuilt.
Well, if all this impresses you even a little bit, you ought to go compare Zechariah 11:11-13 (written over 500 years before Christ) to Matthew 27:3-10 (written some 25-30 years after Christ).
Only coincidence? A number of years ago, Peter W. Stoner and Robert C. Newman wrote a book entitled Science Speaks. The book was based on the science of probability and vouched for by the American Scientific Affiliation. It set out the odds of any one man in all of history fulfilling even only eight of the 60 major prophecies (and 270 ramifications) fulfilled by the life of Christ.
The probability that Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even eight such prophecies would be only 1 in 1017. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000.
Stoner claims that that many silver dollars would be enough to cover the face of the entire state of Texas two feet deep. Now I've been to Texas. I've driven for days to get across Texas. Texas is a very big state. Who in his right mind would suppose that a blindfolded man, heading out of Dallas by foot in any direction, would be able, on his very first attempt, to pick up one specifically marked silver dollar out of 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000?
Read more at: http://christiananswers.net/q-aiia/jesus-odds.html
Check out this site, too
The Odds of Eight Messianic Prophecies Coming True | Berean Publishers
“If these estimates are considered fair, one man in how many men, the world over, will fulfill all eight prophecies? Let’s run the math. We have 1 in 2.8 X 100,000 X 1,000 X 100 X 1,000 X 1,000 X 100,000 X 1,000 X 10,000. This gives us 1 in 2.8 X 10 to the twenty-eighth power. Let us simplify it by calling it 1 X 10 to the twenty-eighth power. Written out we have 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.” (p.105f)
What are the odds that any man living from the day of these prophecies down to the present time? To get this answer, we divide our 10 to the 28th power by the total number of people who have lived since the time of these prophecies. At the time this book was published we come up wit 88 billion people or 8.8 X 10 to the tenth power. To simplify it let’s round it off to 10 to the 11th power. The odds of any one man who lived from the the the prophecies were made until the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 10 to the seventeenth power.
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Hi Magenta...hope you had a great Christmas and will have a safe New Year.
I agree with you somewhat however, a person who is asking for clarification is one thing even if they profess to be an Atheist. The others that are hard core,,, well.....
Of course, there is always that person (Atheist or not) who is asking for clarification just to start an argument. In fact, I have seen an increase in these type here lately.
To be frank, I think the following passages have begun. Atheism is just one of these it speaks of, Global Warming , etc.....
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (KJV)..."And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
We are in the End Times, Prophecy shows us this. Is this time period, not where the above passage is going to be used. If so, then another prophecy is Being fulfilled.
Have a good one,,, I am afraid I have rambled on far too long.
I agree with you somewhat however, a person who is asking for clarification is one thing even if they profess to be an Atheist. The others that are hard core,,, well.....
Of course, there is always that person (Atheist or not) who is asking for clarification just to start an argument. In fact, I have seen an increase in these type here lately.
To be frank, I think the following passages have begun. Atheism is just one of these it speaks of, Global Warming , etc.....
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (KJV)..."And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
We are in the End Times, Prophecy shows us this. Is this time period, not where the above passage is going to be used. If so, then another prophecy is Being fulfilled.
Have a good one,,, I am afraid I have rambled on far too long.
Very thankful for you sister. I copy and pasted everything you wrote . Please check in on this post. I will most likely need you again.
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I remember what it was like for me, when I figuratively stumbled into the first religion forum I was on for four years, having no idea even how message boards and chat rooms and such operated, really, and talking to the first atheists and Satanists and such. My goodness they just piled on new people trying to frighten people away, it was a secular site with very little moderation and about ninety categories of which one was Religion and Philosophy, so I was always in the religion forum. I hardly knew anything at first. I was completely untutored, and yet I found it quite exciting and challenging and very interesting. That was myspace, and it got sold in 2011 and they closed all the boards and reclaimed the site for musicians, so I went to another site for four years after that, this time a Christian site with many sub forums where I spent the majority of my time in the atheists and secular humanism threads. Yes, I looked into a lot of different subjects during those eight years and learned a lot that I have probably forgotten most of, so it is always nice to have my memory jogged by wanting to help you in your quest If you are putting info on the youtubesite, I would suggest you condense the info as much as possible and then add to it if anyone questions or challenges you...then you are really grasping and understanding the material a bit better, too
I believe this will be a future prophesy,but we are at the end time,but it has not gotten to this point yet.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
After the 6th trumpet the world will still not repent of their sins,and turn to God,so God gives them the beast to rule over them,for this war is at the time of the ten horn kingdom that covers the world,and they failed at keeping peace,and they turn to the beast for the solution to have peace on earth.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
After the 6th trumpet God gives the world the beast to rule over them,and war will break out in heaven,and the devils are cast to earth,where the earth becomes their holding cell,and Satan appears as the beast to deceive all who do not love God.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
God is going to give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,so I believe the strong delusion God will send them is when the devils are cast to earth they will deceive all who do not love God,and they will follow the beast kingdom.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
After the 6th trumpet the world will still not repent of their sins,and turn to God,so God gives them the beast to rule over them,for this war is at the time of the ten horn kingdom that covers the world,and they failed at keeping peace,and they turn to the beast for the solution to have peace on earth.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
After the 6th trumpet God gives the world the beast to rule over them,and war will break out in heaven,and the devils are cast to earth,where the earth becomes their holding cell,and Satan appears as the beast to deceive all who do not love God.
Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
God is going to give the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,so I believe the strong delusion God will send them is when the devils are cast to earth they will deceive all who do not love God,and they will follow the beast kingdom.
Thank you, Bladerunner, I hope you likewise had a lovely Christmas and a safe and happy time welcoming in the new year It was quiet for me... well, Christmas day I spent with my daughter and her family, but new year's was a nice quiet night at home, no excitement hehee I like it like that
Oh, I understand a lot of atheists are just looking to hone their chops and grind their axe, but in the process of speaking with them over time you really get a feel for what their core message is, and of course it is untenable, since they have absolutely no way to prove most of what they believe while they desire to make us believe we are crazy or whatever because we believe something that cannot be proven to a closed heart and mind, yet we have personal empirical experiential evidence of. And they can't take that away from you! That is why I like to encourage them to seek, seek, seek. Even that though they would say well they don't believe why would they go looking? Telling them the sun is still shining even if it is dark and cloudy where you are. I told them the process of seeking helped clear the clouds so they could see the Son shine.
And I would say because the question of purpose and meaning in life is profound and deserves to be investigated because if there is a God then finding out why He created us has some tremendous import. Likewise their silly mentions of going looking for unicorns or whatever, I would just say, well I never heard of a unicorn creating the universe and all there is and giving us life. So some of their arguments are silly right from the get go.
The way it was the hardest was always calling them on their dishonesty, because some of them would lie like the dickens, outright denying something that was staring them right in the face. And that first site I was on with very little moderation, my goodness, the profanity and name calling would have curled anyone's hair (mine is naturally curly). Yeah. Challenging but fun!
It was quiet for me... well, Christmas day I spent with my daughter and her family, but new year's was a nice quiet night at home, no excitement hehee I like it like that Oh, I understand a lot of atheists are just looking to hone their chops and grind their axe, but in the process of speaking with them over time you really get a feel for what their core message is, and of course it is untenable, since they have absolutely no way to prove most of what they believe while they desire to make us believe we are crazy or whatever because we believe something that cannot be proven to a closed heart and mind, yet we have personal empirical experiential evidence of. And they can't take that away from you! That is why I like to encourage them to seek, seek, seek. Even that though they would say well they don't believe why would they go looking? Telling them the sun is still shining even if it is dark and cloudy where you are. I told them the process of seeking helped clear the clouds so they could see the Son shine.
And I would say because the question of purpose and meaning in life is profound and deserves to be investigated because if there is a God then finding out why He created us has some tremendous import. Likewise their silly mentions of going looking for unicorns or whatever, I would just say, well I never heard of a unicorn creating the universe and all there is and giving us life. So some of their arguments are silly right from the get go.
The way it was the hardest was always calling them on their dishonesty, because some of them would lie like the dickens, outright denying something that was staring them right in the face. And that first site I was on with very little moderation, my goodness, the profanity and name calling would have curled anyone's hair (mine is naturally curly). Yeah. Challenging but fun!
Are you sure #2 wasn't talking about Islam and the Qur'an? Challenge them to find one place in the New Testament where any of these things are found.
There is "husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. " Eph. 5:25 Never a mention of wife beating!
Stoning! You could bring up the woman caught in adultery. The Jews wanted to stone her, Jesus gave them the truth! They were all sinners! And he stopped a stoning! See John 8:3-11.
To the contrary, Jesus let himself be killed by non believers, and his followers did the same. All the disciples except Judas (killed himself) and John, died as martyrs and Christians have continued to be killed because they love Jesus, follow him. There are many being crucified and beheaded by ISIS in the Middle East right now for renouncing Islam and following Jesus.
These people are really clueless, and know nothing about Christ, or what is written in the Bible. If you want, send me a pm with the video you are sharing with these atheists, or wherever, and I will come and deal with them. Or if this is a good mission field for you, keep doing it and asking for specific help. Either is good!
There is "husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. " Eph. 5:25 Never a mention of wife beating!
Stoning! You could bring up the woman caught in adultery. The Jews wanted to stone her, Jesus gave them the truth! They were all sinners! And he stopped a stoning! See John 8:3-11.
To the contrary, Jesus let himself be killed by non believers, and his followers did the same. All the disciples except Judas (killed himself) and John, died as martyrs and Christians have continued to be killed because they love Jesus, follow him. There are many being crucified and beheaded by ISIS in the Middle East right now for renouncing Islam and following Jesus.
These people are really clueless, and know nothing about Christ, or what is written in the Bible. If you want, send me a pm with the video you are sharing with these atheists, or wherever, and I will come and deal with them. Or if this is a good mission field for you, keep doing it and asking for specific help. Either is good!
I was also arguing with atheist at one stage of my life I became so angry and bitter towards them that even today if I see an atheist post I need to bite my tongue (or is it my fingers???).
The fact is that even with all the knowledge and logic in the world they will not listen to you. Without the Spirit they will not change friend.
I became so angry and bitter towards them that even today if I see an atheist post I need to bite my tongue (or is it my fingers???).The fact is that even with all the knowledge and logic in the world they will not listen to you. Without the Spirit they will not change friend.
My approach to debates with anyone is an emotional position.
I believe in love and caring for others.
Life has its foundation in family, and all the care people have one to another.
Jesus's message was founded on building on this picture of love, emphasising it is man
who has become sinful and hard hearted, and would rather mock and scorn about expressions
of vulnerability, need and loneliness.
Why would a man claim He could rise from the dead as His statement of authority, and not
be able to do it?
And if this man has done it, it means what He is declaring is true.
I believe in love and caring for others.
Life has its foundation in family, and all the care people have one to another.
Jesus's message was founded on building on this picture of love, emphasising it is man
who has become sinful and hard hearted, and would rather mock and scorn about expressions
of vulnerability, need and loneliness.
Why would a man claim He could rise from the dead as His statement of authority, and not
be able to do it?
And if this man has done it, it means what He is declaring is true.
The best and most simple argument for the existence of God is the Leibniz' contingency argument, IMHO.
[video=youtube;FPCzEP0oD7I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPCzEP0oD7I[/video]
But as I said, such discussion needs a mutual respect, politeness etc. If you call each other names, nobody will think about anything you will show or post to them, even if it will be the most clear truth in the universe. Psychological state is a vital part of any thinking.
[video=youtube;FPCzEP0oD7I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPCzEP0oD7I[/video]
But as I said, such discussion needs a mutual respect, politeness etc. If you call each other names, nobody will think about anything you will show or post to them, even if it will be the most clear truth in the universe. Psychological state is a vital part of any thinking.