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Do you know how to come into a thread and talk about the OP, instead of come in and immediately insult others instead ???
You seem to have a bad habit of this any more, please contribute to the OP from Josefnospam or move on instead of causing discord !!!
Numbers 6:24-26
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Kenneth...you are pathological! Everything is about you
If someone disagrees with you they are sinners in the hands of an angry Kenneth
The moment you appear on any thread EVERYTHING becomes all related to you in your own mind
You refuse to acknowledge folks telling you we dont think we can continue to sin
You refuse to respond to questions..instead you twist what is said and asked and then proclaim we are attacking you
Actually, we are addressing the unbiblical doctrine of grace + legalism = salvation
You are in no position to tell me or anyone else how to post...ESPECIALLY since you seem to have a need to make everything all about you and what YOU believe is sound
You seem to have a bad habit of this any more, please contribute to the OP from Josefnospam or move on instead of causing discord !!!
Numbers 6:24-26
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Kenneth...you are pathological! Everything is about you
If someone disagrees with you they are sinners in the hands of an angry Kenneth
The moment you appear on any thread EVERYTHING becomes all related to you in your own mind
You refuse to acknowledge folks telling you we dont think we can continue to sin
You refuse to respond to questions..instead you twist what is said and asked and then proclaim we are attacking you
Actually, we are addressing the unbiblical doctrine of grace + legalism = salvation
You are in no position to tell me or anyone else how to post...ESPECIALLY since you seem to have a need to make everything all about you and what YOU believe is sound
K
Whenever you teach a doctrine that says nothing is "required" of believers you are teaching another gospel, you are not teaching the doctrine of Christ !!!
I have every right to expose false teachings and the works of the flesh that the Word of God says believers in Him should not be walking in committing !!!
You don't like to be rebuked or reproved and shown the Truth in the Word, well then all I can say is go and pray to God to remove that spirit of the world from your heart and soften your heart to accept His chastisement for correction !!!
I am out of love trying to show you points that you still need working on, and by the Holy Spirit He will help you overcome those things.
When you come into a thread and immediately insult people instead of speak on the OP all you are doing is seeking to cause strife. Apostle Paul warns about this in 2 Timothy 2:23 !!!
I have every right to expose false teachings and the works of the flesh that the Word of God says believers in Him should not be walking in committing !!!
You don't like to be rebuked or reproved and shown the Truth in the Word, well then all I can say is go and pray to God to remove that spirit of the world from your heart and soften your heart to accept His chastisement for correction !!!
I am out of love trying to show you points that you still need working on, and by the Holy Spirit He will help you overcome those things.
When you come into a thread and immediately insult people instead of speak on the OP all you are doing is seeking to cause strife. Apostle Paul warns about this in 2 Timothy 2:23 !!!
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here is the difference, I admit my mistakes.. Yes I read you to fast this time. I will always admit when I am wrong.
Still your eternal swecurity doctrine sounds like Augustine, Your just like him. (and no Calvin did not get his eternal security from Augustine)
There is no SECURITY in life, if it is based on how well we do things, that is what Augustine believed.. and the Catholics, and all other legalists. That's why they reject eternal security.. Because their security is based on self. NOT GOD..
There is no security in self. only in God. why do you think people call you a false teacher, Because you preach self.
Amen.
I see the normal suspects have arrived.
It is possible to hold a position and just say this is my position.
It is obvious a lot of churches now because their congregations are being swayed by all the propoganda everywhere are giving in and going with the flow.
We had a sermon about witnessing on sunday, and they failed to mention repentance, sin, forgiveness, just sharing what your experience in Jesus is. It is easy to end in compromising based on keeping people in the congregation in support of what you offer or appear to offer.
We are not going to resolve such discussions, but the tactics remain the same.
I see the normal suspects have arrived.
It is possible to hold a position and just say this is my position.
It is obvious a lot of churches now because their congregations are being swayed by all the propoganda everywhere are giving in and going with the flow.
We had a sermon about witnessing on sunday, and they failed to mention repentance, sin, forgiveness, just sharing what your experience in Jesus is. It is easy to end in compromising based on keeping people in the congregation in support of what you offer or appear to offer.
We are not going to resolve such discussions, but the tactics remain the same.
K
Yes Calvin did adopt the once saved always saved from Augustine's apostate eternal security doctrine !!!
Calvin was RCC before he left as one of the leaders who started the Protestant reformation movement, they left the RCC but still kept many of their teachings but let go of others !!!
How do I sound like Augustine ???
He thought falling away and apostasy was impossible, I do not !!!
I nowhere preach self as I always state whatever I do it is all because of God, Apostle Paul did the exact same thing !!!
Calvin was RCC before he left as one of the leaders who started the Protestant reformation movement, they left the RCC but still kept many of their teachings but let go of others !!!
How do I sound like Augustine ???
He thought falling away and apostasy was impossible, I do not !!!
I nowhere preach self as I always state whatever I do it is all because of God, Apostle Paul did the exact same thing !!!
This does make me laugh. If you have a conversation you have to understand the others person points, not just preach your own as if they do not know what you are saying. You actually have to prove to them you know where they are, or else it is just a slanging match. I suspect that is all you are actually capable of.
K
Yes if the doctrine teaches nothing is required of believers, it is not the doctrine of Christ !!!
But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. (Luke 12:48)
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lol.. RCC does not believe in eternal security.. You need to study, they never have,, they are pagan, and held to b=pegam beliefs that salvation was not final till death..
Arminian, I meant arminian.. He holds to salvation is dependent on you and what you do.. Just like the catholics did Only he lessened the amount of works one must do.
Arminian, I meant arminian.. He holds to salvation is dependent on you and what you do.. Just like the catholics did Only he lessened the amount of works one must do.
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Of course it makes you laugh.
You and ken do that to me and those like me almost every time you talk.
I made one mistake, because my mind is on my uncle who most likely will go home to be with the lord today, and my father who had to make the decision to take him off life support..
What I said about ken was true, I made the mistake of seeing calvin and thought he was on one of his MANY MANY RANTS against calvin..
And I admitted that mistake..
C
People in church are replacing the word of God with programs, music, entertainment, jokes, etc., to make people come into the church and as a result, they are not telling people enough about the truth and they aren't telling people the truth. They want to reinvent Church and they view Church as an etch-a-sketch where they can erase the foundation that God built and start over.
They've decided to do it their way instead of God's way and there will be spiritual consequences for that because people won't get saved but they will think they are saved and we're going to have more problems. There are also suicides in church where people can't find answers because the church won't give them to people and the leaders don't feel responsible for the sheep.
They've decided to do it their way instead of God's way and there will be spiritual consequences for that because people won't get saved but they will think they are saved and we're going to have more problems. There are also suicides in church where people can't find answers because the church won't give them to people and the leaders don't feel responsible for the sheep.
) but it is the sloughing off of doctrine that gives me the creeps.
I am sorry to hear about your uncle. It is always hard to make such decisions, especially about people you love.
My condolences to you in this time of sadness.
In these experiences sometimes families can find reassurance and a common love they share. I hope you will find this among your family.
God bless
Peter
My condolences to you in this time of sadness.
In these experiences sometimes families can find reassurance and a common love they share. I hope you will find this among your family.
God bless
Peter
K
Sorry to hear about your uncle, I just lost my dad 7 months ago !!!
What you have said about me has been tons of lies, and those lies have been driven by your difference of doctrine because you don't believe one can forfeit their salvation by walking away from the faith.
The bible would not have mentioned falling away and departing from the faith from every single NT writer if it was not possible. Even Jesus said it will happen in Matthew 24:10-13 !!!
I know you personally don't want to believe those passages but that is in no way need you to bear false witness on me and back-bite me behind my back.
Paul puts back-biting in the list of those who will not inherit eternal life !!!
Calvin needs to be exposed before more keep following his dangerous doctrine.............
What you have said about me has been tons of lies, and those lies have been driven by your difference of doctrine because you don't believe one can forfeit their salvation by walking away from the faith.
The bible would not have mentioned falling away and departing from the faith from every single NT writer if it was not possible. Even Jesus said it will happen in Matthew 24:10-13 !!!
I know you personally don't want to believe those passages but that is in no way need you to bear false witness on me and back-bite me behind my back.
Paul puts back-biting in the list of those who will not inherit eternal life !!!
Calvin needs to be exposed before more keep following his dangerous doctrine.............
If you believe people are bound to sin, and salvation is not a choice, you are merely chosen, you just follow, then ofcourse your ideas flow.
If you believe in love and Christ we are given the freedom to choose Him, and walk in righteousness, then it matters how you define this freedom and righteousness. To us therefore it also matters if you dismiss morality as legalism and call it evil.
It gets worse if you call those who take Jesus are his word lost, you make yourself enemies of the very gospel you claim to follow. So it gets confusing, especially if many in your camp deny sorting out sin, emotional reality and love in their own hearts and claim this is not the realm of the Holy Spirit or following Christ. So ofcourse we react against such ideas, it speaks against our experience and our understanding of walking with Jesus.
We have nothing against anyone personally, it is just our faith.
If you believe in love and Christ we are given the freedom to choose Him, and walk in righteousness, then it matters how you define this freedom and righteousness. To us therefore it also matters if you dismiss morality as legalism and call it evil.
It gets worse if you call those who take Jesus are his word lost, you make yourself enemies of the very gospel you claim to follow. So it gets confusing, especially if many in your camp deny sorting out sin, emotional reality and love in their own hearts and claim this is not the realm of the Holy Spirit or following Christ. So ofcourse we react against such ideas, it speaks against our experience and our understanding of walking with Jesus.
We have nothing against anyone personally, it is just our faith.