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There should be a balance of both Grace and warnings in the preaching behind the pulpit, it should never be just one sided.
This is why we get people thinking none of the warnings in the bible apply to believers, because all they hear is Grace and not the many warnings that sin still poses !!!
Thus they are lead in a false sense of security and not the true assurance that only comes in Christ, and thus end up thinking that even when they fall away they are still saved.
J
What guys like you never understand, Crossnote, is how old and passe all that first century doctrine stuff is, how we've moved on. Got to have that anointing!
Furthermore, if Benny Hinn can't bring back Reverend Ike, it's about time for a Joel Osteen theme park at Disneyland, that is as long as he remains faithful, doesn't frown and crack his face.
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Furthermore, if Benny Hinn can't bring back Reverend Ike, it's about time for a Joel Osteen theme park at Disneyland, that is as long as he remains faithful, doesn't frown and crack his face.
Here Farley teaches the lie that behavior doesn't matter in regards to salvation, because such would make it a works-based salvation. He creates the straw man that doing things (behavior) is required to earn or keep salvation, and then knocks it down. What he doesn't cover is that sinning (also behavior) will definitely affect one's fellowship with GOD, and worst case, it will forever cut one off from GOD. Jesus said that many in the end will think that they did GOD's will, but will be denied entrance into his glory because they were lawless, i.e., did not do GOD's will, which forbids sinning.
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I know and I try not engage, as I still need to work on withdrawing myself !!!
When I left the church in my teens and did not return tell I was 25, God by His Holy Spirit told and showed me exactly what my ending would have been if I remained in that lost state. And it was not a pretty picture of eternal life !!!
K
What, I hope I am not reading you right !!!
Are you trying to say what the Church taught in the 1st Century is out of date now ???
That is what passe means, and if that is what you are saying then you are in some very dangerous teaching.
What was taught in the 1st Century is just as much valid today, and Jesus teachings have never been done away with. They have only been built on and expounded from in the teachings by Paul !!!
What Jesus taught in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are just as valid today as they were then !!!
This is more than understandable. It is the "I need to be punished" guilt trip that many churches have perpetuated because it is so difficult, for even those preachers, to accept something from God that we don't deserve. I think that, without "surrender", it is much more difficult to simply accept God's forgiveness than it is to earn it by "taking our punishment like a man." And we do that through the ritual we have created of penitence. Penitence is something that is initiated by our actions. We get to be the active one when we take it upon ourselves to "cause" God to forgive us because of our actions in getting all hang-dog looking, and doing what we have learned to be an approved procedure for us to enact. And that can range from simple asking for forgiveness each time, through the more advanced Catholic ritualistic Confessional scene, right on up to the Spanish pilgrims beating and cutting themselves. No matter how we couch it, this is still us doing something (making our sacrifice) in order to appease the deity, and thus prove ourselves worthy of being forgiven.
Simply telling God we are sorry for doing it again... and thanking Him that He has forgiven us, not for our proof of feeling bad today, but because of what Jesus did 2,000 years ago... is so difficult to just swallow and do, that it is a near impossibility for many people.
It is ten times harder to just thank God for His gift, knowing how much we want to demonstrate (probably just to ourselves) our sorrow. Jesus said to just tell Him... confess it. I'm pretty sure He isn't too impressed when we try to upstage His work on the cross.
Simply telling God we are sorry for doing it again... and thanking Him that He has forgiven us, not for our proof of feeling bad today, but because of what Jesus did 2,000 years ago... is so difficult to just swallow and do, that it is a near impossibility for many people.
It is ten times harder to just thank God for His gift, knowing how much we want to demonstrate (probably just to ourselves) our sorrow. Jesus said to just tell Him... confess it. I'm pretty sure He isn't too impressed when we try to upstage His work on the cross.
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Sorry. It was just a matter of if the shoe fits, or if it walks like a duck. But never mind. I don't want to interrupt your working out your eternal insecurity and doubts. You know, trying to drag other people into that won't help anything. You'll still be stuck with the Catholics, trying to work it out, in vain.
I have to say a lot of people are ignorant of Catholic theology.
The reason why the Pope and Kenneth Copeland are able to get together because their doctrines of original sin, hell, and being saved are very similar. A priest can bind and set free, forgive sins, and withhold sacrements without which people will be caste out.
What is amusing is those who say hyper-grace is against religion and they are happy to cosy up with the most religious group in christianity and then say this makes spiritual sense. It shows how lunatic and off the wall this spirituality really is.
The reason why the Pope and Kenneth Copeland are able to get together because their doctrines of original sin, hell, and being saved are very similar. A priest can bind and set free, forgive sins, and withhold sacrements without which people will be caste out.
What is amusing is those who say hyper-grace is against religion and they are happy to cosy up with the most religious group in christianity and then say this makes spiritual sense. It shows how lunatic and off the wall this spirituality really is.
Once Saved Always Saved is a True Doctrine. We cannot lose our Salvation based on our sins because we never received Salvation based on us not sinning.
So tell me Kennethc how can we lose our Salvation if its a Gift from God based on Faith from Him and Grace from Him?
We cannot lose our Salvation. BUT, we can lose out on our Rewards in Heaven if we keep on practicing our sins.
So tell me Kennethc how can we lose our Salvation if its a Gift from God based on Faith from Him and Grace from Him?
We cannot lose our Salvation. BUT, we can lose out on our Rewards in Heaven if we keep on practicing our sins.