Sovereignty of God and Moral Responsibility of Man
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No yuo are not. Your real reason for asking me not to derail your thread was because you agree far less with my views. That is the truth, but one you are unprepared it seems to be honest about. I have explained to you I re-entered the debate to correct the misinterpretation of a post I wrote by another person, something I am quite entitled to do. My posts after that were in reponse to posts made to me by someone else who themself was not keeping to the subject title of your thread,nd also anoither who posted to me
The truth is, as any unbiased person will I imagine see, you are clearly not being honest as to your motives.
The truth is, as any unbiased person will I imagine see, you are clearly not being honest as to your motives.
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I will do better than that: go to your bible software, enter into the search the word 'might' and then notice not only the subjunctive in use but also the words for 'ability'. There are 221 results which are displayed.
According to the King James Concordance:
G1410 is translated 'might' 6 times.
G2480 is translated 'might' 1 times.
That would leave 'might' in the subjunctive 214 times.
According to the King James Concordance:
G1410 is translated 'might' 6 times.
G2480 is translated 'might' 1 times.
That would leave 'might' in the subjunctive 214 times.
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Faith is not only a spiritual fruit any more then is wisdom, knowledge, etc.
Faith is an act of the will. Can be translated...believe, trust.
Faith can be supernatural as both a gift and as a fruit of the Spirit. After conversion and the receiving indwelling Spirit.
But faith can be operated by an unregenerate, just like knowledge, wisdom etc.
The gospel is the "power of God" unto salvation. Faith comes by hearing the Word.
We are saved by the incorruptable seed...the Word of God! Thats how we are bornagain.
Jesus taught lots of lessons how this works but apparently He didnt really mean to or have to.
Because deeper minds know none of it was really true or necessary.
Faith is an act of the will. Can be translated...believe, trust.
Faith can be supernatural as both a gift and as a fruit of the Spirit. After conversion and the receiving indwelling Spirit.
But faith can be operated by an unregenerate, just like knowledge, wisdom etc.
The gospel is the "power of God" unto salvation. Faith comes by hearing the Word.
We are saved by the incorruptable seed...the Word of God! Thats how we are bornagain.
Jesus taught lots of lessons how this works but apparently He didnt really mean to or have to.
Because deeper minds know none of it was really true or necessary.
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Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Where is 'might' located in that verse.
What would be the indicator of the subjunctive mood in the Greek: when it is spoken in the subjunctive (the mood of possibility).
When I run across 'might' without having G1410 or G2480 attached, I would go to the Greek and see that believe is indeed in the subjunctive (V-AAS-1S).
Joh 9:36 HeG1565 answeredG611 andG2532 said,G2036 WhoG5101 isG2076 he, Lord,G2962 thatG2443 I might believeG4100 onG1519 him?G846
Who is He so that I could believe
Where is 'might' located in that verse.
What would be the indicator of the subjunctive mood in the Greek: when it is spoken in the subjunctive (the mood of possibility).
When I run across 'might' without having G1410 or G2480 attached, I would go to the Greek and see that believe is indeed in the subjunctive (V-AAS-1S).
Joh 9:36 HeG1565 answeredG611 andG2532 said,G2036 WhoG5101 isG2076 he, Lord,G2962 thatG2443 I might believeG4100 onG1519 him?G846
Who is He so that I could believe
My issue here, is really one thing. Defending the biblical requirement of belief unto salvation. According to the biblical requirement/what is actually stated in scripture I am correct.
I would say that those who refuse to accept the requirement unto salvation that Christ laid down but rather add to it are guilty, according to scripture of refusing to accept the words of Christ unto salvation by adding to them
Incidentally, I can assure you, if no one posted to me on this subject, there would be no comments on it from me
I would say that those who refuse to accept the requirement unto salvation that Christ laid down but rather add to it are guilty, according to scripture of refusing to accept the words of Christ unto salvation by adding to them
Incidentally, I can assure you, if no one posted to me on this subject, there would be no comments on it from me
John 6
35Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
looks like Father's Will is
that Jesus receives every single one The Father gives Him.
He never casts them away.
He doesn't lose any.
that's the Father's Will.
so....does The Father fail?
it says Jesus saves every single one the Father gives Him.
that's Father's Will.
every single person Father gives the Son gets saved.
35Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
looks like Father's Will is
that Jesus receives every single one The Father gives Him.
He never casts them away.
He doesn't lose any.
that's the Father's Will.
so....does The Father fail?
it says Jesus saves every single one the Father gives Him.
that's Father's Will.
every single person Father gives the Son gets saved.
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Please quit acting like a child!!! you guys quit it or im gona keep doing it...bs bud. you live for this.
I told you right off you were right and Ok to teach what Jesus taught. And address Him biblically.
But, others see Jesus more than a man. And to call Him the Son of God is true. Leave it at that.
And noone will ever fight you on it.
Then i told you.....IF you were gona fight against the belief that Jesus is God then
1 Your going to have trouble
2 If you keep it up your doing it to cause trouble. Knowing full well what your going to expect.
Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offense toward God, and toward men.
Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.