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>>>>> Jesus did not lie <<<<<
My point exactly! He is not capable of lying. That is my point. Yet, Jesus did not come out and reveal His entire true identity to everyone. He appeared human and many thought he was just human and not God.
The point I am getting at is that Jesus did not reveal His full identity and some people thought just one way about Him. Why did He do this? Well, because He was on an undercover mission. He could not reveal His full identity to everyone because He had a mission to accomplish. However, because Jesus was not upfront about His entire identity with all people, someone could wrongfully think He was deceiving some people as to His true identity.
My point exactly! He is not capable of lying. That is my point. Yet, Jesus did not come out and reveal His entire true identity to everyone. He appeared human and many thought he was just human and not God.
The point I am getting at is that Jesus did not reveal His full identity and some people thought just one way about Him. Why did He do this? Well, because He was on an undercover mission. He could not reveal His full identity to everyone because He had a mission to accomplish. However, because Jesus was not upfront about His entire identity with all people, someone could wrongfully think He was deceiving some people as to His true identity.
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Jesus allowed some people into thinking He was just a man. Making people think one truth, while there was yet another more important truth about Him. Some could read this as a deception on Jesus' part. For Jesus could have easily revealed His identity to people that He was God by revealing His glory.
I say this because Jesus hid His identity so as to save lives (or to take away the sins of the entire world).
In other words, when a person commits suicide they are taking their own life selfishly and it is wrong. Yet if they were to sacrifice their life to save somebody else's life, then it is considered one of the highest forms of love.
Yet both are forms of a life being killed.
It's the same with misleading an enemy who seeks to harm people they care about versus lying so as to cover up their own sin and wrong doing. One is good and the other is bad.
I say this because Jesus hid His identity so as to save lives (or to take away the sins of the entire world).
In other words, when a person commits suicide they are taking their own life selfishly and it is wrong. Yet if they were to sacrifice their life to save somebody else's life, then it is considered one of the highest forms of love.
Yet both are forms of a life being killed.
It's the same with misleading an enemy who seeks to harm people they care about versus lying so as to cover up their own sin and wrong doing. One is good and the other is bad.
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Uh, no she can't. Who is the father of lies? (John 8:44). If a person lies like the father of lies, does that mean they are of God the Father or they are of the father of lies? Who is worthy of death in Romans 1? Those who are full of all unrighteousness... deceit. All liars will have their part in what place according to Revelation 21:8? The Lake of Fire.
For one, Rahab did not lie according to the 9th Commandment. The 9th Commandment considers a lie as a deception that is motivated by purely self centered and or sinful reasons.
For one, Rahab did not lie according to the 9th Commandment. The 9th Commandment considers a lie as a deception that is motivated by purely self centered and or sinful reasons.
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She obviously lied and was an example to us for the faith, face it.
It was not held against her, I dont even hold it against her, I would do the very same thing and be perfectly fine about doing it, she is my example in the faith.
I dont think even when Abraham was instructing Sarah to withhold the full truth it was held against him anymore then Isaac doing the same with his wife (who wasnt his sister). Theres other places where I dont see the same done in faith so much, like in King Zedekiah instructing Jeremiah what to say seemed okay there, but Davids lie to Ahimelech caused some problems, although that was not mentioned in 1 Kings 15:5
If you sought refuge with me and wanted me to hand you over to the one seeking to kill you (I would if you wanted me to) but naturally I would try to hide you and lie my tail off as to where you are.
I tell the truth ( I would lie)
Therefore am I a liar by telling the truth?
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It was not held against her, I dont even hold it against her, I would do the very same thing and be perfectly fine about doing it, she is my example in the faith.
I dont think even when Abraham was instructing Sarah to withhold the full truth it was held against him anymore then Isaac doing the same with his wife (who wasnt his sister). Theres other places where I dont see the same done in faith so much, like in King Zedekiah instructing Jeremiah what to say seemed okay there, but Davids lie to Ahimelech caused some problems, although that was not mentioned in 1 Kings 15:5
If you sought refuge with me and wanted me to hand you over to the one seeking to kill you (I would if you wanted me to) but naturally I would try to hide you and lie my tail off as to where you are.
I tell the truth ( I would lie)
Therefore am I a liar by telling the truth?
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This is just crazy talk. She deceived as a part of the art of war... yes, but she did not lie in the traditional sense so as to cover her own behind or to cover a sin. Lying is the 9th Commandment. It is bearing false witness out of your own selfish motive and not done out of love so as to protect others.
If lying is okay, then how come all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire?
The devil is the father of lies. This suggests that lying in the traditional sense is not good because there are those who follow after the devil's example.
It was not held against her because she did nothing wrong. The whole plot point of the story is built on that moment of her deceiving as a part of the art of war to protect the men of God. If it was wrong of her to do so, then the men of God would have said for her to not lie and they would face their captors and let God protect them.
I am glad you would do the same thing. What she did was not a sin. She was being loving in protecting God's people.
I agree that Abraham and Isaac were not wrong for not revealing the whole truth. They did that so as to protect life. The life of their wives. So again, they did not lie so as to protect their own life or to cover up a sin.
Never said you were a liar.
If lying is okay, then how come all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire?
The devil is the father of lies. This suggests that lying in the traditional sense is not good because there are those who follow after the devil's example.
It was not held against her because she did nothing wrong. The whole plot point of the story is built on that moment of her deceiving as a part of the art of war to protect the men of God. If it was wrong of her to do so, then the men of God would have said for her to not lie and they would face their captors and let God protect them.
I am glad you would do the same thing. What she did was not a sin. She was being loving in protecting God's people.
I agree that Abraham and Isaac were not wrong for not revealing the whole truth. They did that so as to protect life. The life of their wives. So again, they did not lie so as to protect their own life or to cover up a sin.
Never said you were a liar.
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Yes they are, and although we know that Christ didnt come through Joseph's relations with Mary, I always wondered why the genealogy was important (but only that one level) if you know what I mean?
I mean I pretty much know the generic response (we might typically give) but given He was conceived of The Holy Ghost, so I guess on one level I wondered about it. Maybe I should know better, that might be the kind of conversation that probably wouldnt be too profitable I guess.
I mean I pretty much know the generic response (we might typically give) but given He was conceived of The Holy Ghost, so I guess on one level I wondered about it. Maybe I should know better, that might be the kind of conversation that probably wouldnt be too profitable I guess.
Most people believe lying is a sin. It's common knowledge. This is because Revelation 21:8 says all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire. Surely what Rahab had done to protect God's people would not fall under the jurisdiction of lying in Revelation 21:8. This lets us know that lying is labeled differently in the Bible. For if Rahab was commended for her faith and yet all liars are cast into the Lake of Fire, then you would have a contraditction in the Bible.
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Its okay if you dont feel she lied, I do, no one is accusing her of the ninth commandment, and I dont think she sinned.
By faith she lied and it was okay because faith works by love and love doesnt harm its neighbor, she lied and saved their lives, it also says "do my prophets no harm". Lying to save a life is shown as a kindness, as it is in Abraham (with Sarah) to spare his life as it is in Rahab as well.
Its no big deal, just shows we can lie in likemanner and be cool with God.
You agree right?
By faith she lied and it was okay because faith works by love and love doesnt harm its neighbor, she lied and saved their lives, it also says "do my prophets no harm". Lying to save a life is shown as a kindness, as it is in Abraham (with Sarah) to spare his life as it is in Rahab as well.
Its no big deal, just shows we can lie in likemanner and be cool with God.
You agree right?
I think we agree on the mechanics of how it works, but we do not agree with labeling of the words to those things.
We do not agree on the word "lie" as defined in the Bible. In the world.... yes. "Lie" can be used even when saving somebody's life. But you will not find the word "lie" in relation to the saving of other people in the Bible, though.
We do not agree on the word "lie" as defined in the Bible. In the world.... yes. "Lie" can be used even when saving somebody's life. But you will not find the word "lie" in relation to the saving of other people in the Bible, though.
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You can have a lie in your right hand, and you can also be a liar simply by saying you love God, and hate your brother, and Rahab didnt do that.
If I said she told the truth I feel I would be lying (everything in me says no way).
And I would lie to save your rearend (is all I am saying)
I think we will just acknowledge it differently, and I am okay that you feel differently about it, but Im okay with disagreeing cordially but I really dont want to wrangle about it.
I get convicted about that
If I said she told the truth I feel I would be lying (everything in me says no way).
And I would lie to save your rearend (is all I am saying)
I think we will just acknowledge it differently, and I am okay that you feel differently about it, but Im okay with disagreeing cordially but I really dont want to wrangle about it.
I get convicted about that